In second year, Jalil Brown turns a corner for the Chiefs

Wait, DAMN!

luck? under Pioli the CBs we drafted... Donald Washington, Javier Arenas, Jalil Brown.


That's not luck that's awful. We have one CB on this team if Routt or Flowers go down and that's Travis Daniels.

Javier Arenas has been successful at what he was drafted to do. He was never going to be a starting CB.

Jalil Brown is still a complete unknown. Right now his arrow is pointing up, which is an encouraging sign.

4 drafts and 3 CBs drafted. One of them is VERY solid depth. One of them is a total failure. One of them appears to at least be pretty good depth. Not bad.

Also, why the **** do you hate Travis Daniels? Did he rape your sister or something?

I love this argument. 7 players. SEVEN.

The seven good players that Peterson drafted in the 2000s. Let's conveniently ignore the other 40-50 players Peterson acquired/drafted that were cut because they sucked donkey shit.

ANY TEAM that has turnover is going to keep the 7 best players from the prior team of FIFTY ****ING THREE.

What player that Peterson drafted is tearing it up on another team? Oh that's right. It's Jared Allen and Tony Gonzalez. And who got rid of them? Carl Peterson.

(And god help me, if some asshole says "Bernard Pollard...")

Exactly right.

And Dequan Menzie is a hybrid CB/S, too. May as well throw him in the mix.

Uh... Scott Pioli got rid of Tony Gonzalez.

And it's 7 holdover starters (8 if you count the punter) going into the 4th year of a new regime. There's a lot of turnover on any team over 4 years and there's even more when you have a GM change and 2 coaching changes during that period. I'm not going to do the legwork to compare it to other teams under comparable circumstances, but I'd be surprised to find out that the Chiefs are less represented by the draftees of their former regime than the average similarly situated NFL team 4 years out.

I like Travis Daniels? That was complimenting him at being the only CB depth that can play outside that we know what we are getting and are not basing it off unknown or hype. Like actual on paper production. Imagine that.

And Javier Arenas is a fail because he was drafted in the second round. Second round picks on special team players/slot CBs. That is a fail.

Those guys just aren't carryovers, though. They're the CORE of this team. Who are Pioli's seven best drafted players?

Eric Berry
Jon Baldwin
Tyson Jackson
Tony Moeaki
Kendrick Lewis
Jon Asamoah
Jovan Belcher

Berry's a worthy franchise cornerstone. And I'm going to go ahead and put Baldwin in that category as well- I'm convinced. Everybody else... meeehhhh

And yes, I know Belcher wasn't drafted

Belcher wasn't even drafted.

I've seen you bitching about how Travis Daniels is still on the team, and how we need an upgrade from him ASAP.

Arenas holds a purpose for this team beyond just special teams. He gets used all the time on defense. He's a solid contributor to the team, who I think is playing beyond his expectations when he was first drafted. That's why he was such a shitty pick, but at least he does a few jobs here and there very well. It ****ing sucks that Pioli was a ****ing reerun and burned a goddamn 2nd rounder on the guy, but what can you do? He's a good player. He's great depth. He allows us to continually draft and develop new players like Menzie and Brown without forcing them into nickel roles when they aren't ready.

It's far better that we drafted Arenas with a 2 than it is we drafted Jackson with the 3rd overall or Poe with the 11th overall.

I know that. He's a part of that draft class though. He counts.

It was either Belcher or Ryan Succop. Or Ricky Stanzi. I could have done Ricky Stanzi. But if I do Stanzi I'm going to have to do Hudson before him. Meh.

Belcher it is. Dude's a 2 year starter and has continually improved from special teams shitscraper to starter.

Tony Gonzalez got rid of Tony Gonzalez.

I dunno. It isn't really a credit to Pioli that he drafted Jake O'Connell ahead of Jovan Belcher.

Damn. You're right about Tony G. I should edit that. Ce'st la vie.

In terms of the # of starter holdovers...

Let's compare to Tampa Bay. They changed over at the same time, right?

Jeremy Trueblood
Ronde Barber
Aquib Talib
Donald Penn
Davin Joseph
Jeremy Zuttah
Quincy Black

That's 7 starters, according to the Tampa Bay depth chart from their website, that were drafted by the previous regime.

Both franchises brought in a new GM, new HC, and new QB in 2009. Both teams went 10-6, then fired their head coach the next season.

Both teams return a starting CB, LT, and LB.

Tampa also cut ties with several other players from the past regime just before this year.

I'd say Chiefs are par for the course.

Then it only further proves my point that whatever success Pioli has enjoyed in Kansas City can be chalked up to Carl Peterson's/Bill Kuharich's drafts