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Chiefnj2 09-20-2012 08:14 AM

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Originally Posted by KC_Lee (Post 8929912)
I agree with one caveat; this only works if you have a strong coaching staff that can prepare a team for Sunday and then make in game adjustments as needed.

Right now this HC and staff seem to be lacking either of those qualifications.

I agree. Those teams also have had their QBs step up in the postseason and pass the ball when needed. Something Cassel hasn't shown the ability to do.

htismaqe 09-20-2012 08:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2 (Post 8929903)
Pioli is probably thinking that in the last 3 years the Jets (2x), San Fran, and to a lesser degree Baltimore have all had run first, strong D teams that made it far in the playoffs (and in some cases should have won the conference championship games). Yes, it isn't as popular and there is a much smaller window for error, but it can still be effective at times.

The Jets are really the only example he could possibly use. SF and Baltimore both have GREAT head coaches. We don't.

Interestingly enough, ALL THREE of those teams have 1st round QBs.

htismaqe 09-20-2012 08:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2 (Post 8929934)
I agree. Those teams also have had their QBs step up in the postseason and pass the ball when needed. Something Cassel hasn't shown the ability to do.

Exactly.

Black Bob 09-20-2012 08:15 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 8929938)
Interestingly enough, ALL THREE of those teams have 1st round QBs.

Good point...

KC_Lee 09-20-2012 08:18 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 8929938)
The Jets are really the only example he could possibly use. SF and Baltimore both have GREAT head coaches. We don't.

Interestingly enough, ALL THREE of those teams have 1st round QBs.

And consider that Alex Smith was on and off the bench and considered a bust until Harbaugh (sp?) was hired as HC.

htismaqe 09-20-2012 08:24 AM

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Originally Posted by BlackBob (Post 8929943)
Good point...

Right now, I think it's arguable whether ANY of the 3 are "franchise" QBs.

Sanchez has underwhelmed, Smith needs to continue to prove he's turned the corner, and Flacco needs to take it to the next level.

That being said, if Pioli is trying to emulate these teams, they ALL have QBs drafted in the 1st round. So he better get one.

HemiEd 09-20-2012 08:30 AM

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Originally Posted by notorious (Post 8929916)
That's what I don't understand. Pioli drafted team captains, and the right 53. Where the hell are the leaders?

He has probably stepped on them all and enforced his will. You have to allow them to succeed.

tk13 09-20-2012 08:33 AM

You can still win divisions and playoff games with a good running attack. The Texans and Broncos led the league in rushing last year and they both won a playoff game with QBs who aren't very good. The Ravens, Jets, Niners have all had success running the football. The Niners were one of the best run defenses ever, and they almost went to a Super Bowl. The Giants averaged 89 yards rushing a game, but they also went 9-7 and barely made the playoffs. Once in the playoffs, they averaged over 116 rushing yards a game. Not great but servicable. Meanwhile the high flying Packers, Saints and Lions didn't even make the league championship game. Numbers are what you make of them. You absolutely have to have the QB to make the key plays and win the whole thing... but being able to run the ball or playing good D to have a balanced team is still a good thing.
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scho63 09-20-2012 08:57 AM

I have personally never seen the Chiefs media so strong and bold against the organization. It seems like they all have been emboldened since Babb tore into the team first and now it's a free-for-all.

GOOD!

mikey23545 09-20-2012 08:58 AM

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Originally Posted by tk13 (Post 8929978)
You can still win divisions and playoff games with a good running attack. The Texans and Broncos led the league in rushing last year and they both won a playoff game with QBs who aren't very good. The Ravens, Jets, Niners have all had success running the football. The Niners were one of the best run defenses ever, and they almost went to a Super Bowl. The Giants averaged 89 yards rushing a game, but they also went 9-7 and barely made the playoffs. Once in the playoffs, they averaged over 116 rushing yards a game. Not great but servicable. Meanwhile the high flying Packers, Saints and Lions didn't even make the league championship game. Numbers are what you make of them. You absolutely have to have the QB to make the key plays and win the whole thing... but being able to run the ball or playing good D to have a balanced team is still a good thing.
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Yeah, we've got too many ignoramuses on the Planet who have become convinced a strong running game is actually a weakness.

Just because you need to have a competent QB does not mean a strong running game is a doomsday scenario for a team's chances. When you have nothing but a strong running game, that is the trouble, not the running game itself.

htismaqe 09-20-2012 08:59 AM

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Originally Posted by mikey23545 (Post 8930040)
Yeah, we've got too many ignoramuses on the Planet who have become convinced a strong running game is actually a weakness.

Just because you need to have a competent QB does not mean a strong running game is a doomsday scenario for a team's chances.

ROFL

There isn't a single person here that thinks a strong running game is a weakness.

Brock 09-20-2012 09:01 AM

Where is this strong running game, btw?

BoneKrusher 09-20-2012 09:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Brock (Post 8930049)
Where is this strong running game, btw?

in Buffalo?

ct 09-20-2012 09:05 AM

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Originally Posted by tk13 (Post 8929978)
You can still win divisions and playoff games with a good running attack. The Texans and Broncos led the league in rushing last year and they both won a playoff game with QBs who aren't very good. The Ravens, Jets, Niners have all had success running the football. The Niners were one of the best run defenses ever, and they almost went to a Super Bowl. The Giants averaged 89 yards rushing a game, but they also went 9-7 and barely made the playoffs. Once in the playoffs, they averaged over 116 rushing yards a game. Not great but servicable. Meanwhile the high flying Packers, Saints and Lions didn't even make the league championship game. Numbers are what you make of them. You absolutely have to have the QB to make the key plays and win the whole thing... but being able to run the ball or playing good D to have a balanced team is still a good thing.
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this

none of the things we thought we would have are actually functioning. strong defense? uh...no. dominant o-line and running game? uh...no.

which leaves our only hope to outscore opponents. uh...definitely no!

Deberg_1990 09-20-2012 09:14 AM

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Originally Posted by tk13 (Post 8929978)
You can still win divisions and playoff games with a good running attack. The Texans and Broncos led the league in rushing last year and they both won a playoff game with QBs who aren't very good. The Ravens, Jets, Niners have all had success running the football. The Niners were one of the best run defenses ever, and they almost went to a Super Bowl. The Giants averaged 89 yards rushing a game, but they also went 9-7 and barely made the playoffs. Once in the playoffs, they averaged over 116 rushing yards a game. Not great but servicable. Meanwhile the high flying Packers, Saints and Lions didn't even make the league championship game. Numbers are what you make of them. You absolutely have to have the QB to make the key plays and win the whole thing... but being able to run the ball or playing good D to have a balanced team is still a good thing.
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Yea, he throws a lot of numbers around all to say you need a top tier QB to win a Super Bowl.
Funny you mention the Giants. Ive been saying for the past few years the the NFL regular season has been diminished and not as significant as it once was. We are starting to see a trend now of average regular season teams make a run in the playoffs and/or winning championships. Giants last year….Cardinals a few years ago…Seahawks in 2010…Steelers in 2005 were only 10-6 when they won as a wildcard


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