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listopencil 11-01-2012 09:27 AM
Another reason that it would have made more sense to sign Orton to a multi year deal and draft a QBotF that needed time to develop. Then your team isn't complete shit as you rebuild.

Ace Gunner 11-01-2012 09:27 AM
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Originally Posted by Saccopoo (Post 9070861)
I don't give a flying **** about Kiper's opinion.

When I watch Geno Smith I see a guy with all the tools, the leadership and a natural feel for the game that goes beyond the measurables.

His pocket awareness is uncanny and his release is as quick as I've ever seen on a QB at the college level. Smith also has a high release point on the ball and he's incredibly accurate with ball placement to every level of the field. His ability to hit receivers in stride is uncanny. His usable arm strength is superb.

And there are two things that really help a QB to be successful at the next level in terms of on the field intangibles, and that's pocket presence and a quick release.

I think Smith's upside is as good as any QB that's come out over the past 15/20 years. He's a better QB prospect than RGIII IMO.

That's elite in my book.
whoa doggy. to me he's more like Cam Newton than RG3. but I would not say he is as good as either player. I think you can win with Smith at this level and I agree with your other points. he throws a tight ball.

RG3 is more like Steve Young -- a driven winner. I see smarts in Geno, just not quite as driven to win. He takes what you give him and I like that.

ForeverChiefs58 11-01-2012 09:27 AM
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Originally Posted by Woodsponge Chuckpants (Post 9070919)
I agree that there isn't an elite one. At least it's not obvious if there is one. However, we still gotta take a QB. I am starting to think I would like to take Te'o or Jones with the first pick and use our 3rd (and maybe 2nd) to move back into the first round to draft the QB out of the big three that drops. Or, maybe even Glennon if he moves up boards like some say he will. That comp pick for Carr will come in handy and will allow us to use our regular 3rd round pick to move up. This is the year we move up in the draft imo.



I agree. I really don't think they have been that bad. People overreacted after Oakland imo. Remember what Oakland's d-line did to Matyt Ryan and Atlanta?
If the Chiefs have the first pick and don't use it to draft a damn QB with it, there might be fans with pitchforks storming Arrowhead.

suds79 11-01-2012 09:27 AM
Doesn't matter. Nothing we can do about that now.

Still take the best QB possible. If that guy would normally be the #10 overall pick in any given draft, you still take him. That's worlds better than anything we've ever done.

Don't be fooled into the standard Chiefs organization & fans way of thinking where you look at some awesome LB, DT, etc. Those positions don't win you games. QB does.

It's 80% QB. 20% everybody else.

Brock 11-01-2012 09:28 AM
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Originally Posted by Cassel>Manning (Post 9070899)
He was one of the favorites to be the #1 pick in the draft going into it. There weren't a lot of QB needy teams that year.
The Dolphins were starting Gus Frerotte that year. Gus Frerotte.

Ace Gunner 11-01-2012 09:28 AM
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Originally Posted by listopencil (Post 9070940)
Another reason that it would have made more sense to sign Orton to a multi year deal and draft a QBotF that needed time to develop. Then your team isn't complete shit as you rebuild.
ya, I'd have liked that too. Orton is obviously coachable and that could really help the next guy see how it works at the NFL level.

suds79 11-01-2012 09:29 AM
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Originally Posted by lcarus (Post 9070869)
Still wish we had the #1 or #2 pick last year...
At some point we all have to get over this and move on. Yes, everybody wishes we got one of those guys. It didn't happen.

Time to move on and stop talking about Luck or RG3.

Saccopoo 11-01-2012 09:30 AM
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Originally Posted by Woodsponge Chuckpants (Post 9070919)
I agree that there isn't an elite one. At least it's not obvious if there is one. However, we still gotta take a QB. I am starting to think I would like to take Te'o or Jones with the first pick and use our 3rd (and maybe 2nd) to move back into the first round to draft the QB out of the big three that drops. Or, maybe even Glennon if he moves up boards like some say he will. That comp pick for Carr will come in handy and will allow us to use our regular 3rd round pick to move up. This is the year we move up in the draft imo.



I agree. I really don't think they have been that bad. People overreacted after Oakland imo. Remember what Oakland's d-line did to Matyt Ryan and Atlanta?
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BigMeatballDave 11-01-2012 09:36 AM
Who gives a shit what these 2 baffoons say?

Crush 11-01-2012 09:37 AM
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Originally Posted by Mel Kiper Jr.
JaMarcus Russell is going to immediately energize that fanbase, that football team on the practice field, in that locker room. Three years from now you could be looking at a guy that's certainly one of the elite top five quarterbacks in this league. ...You're talking about a 2-3 year period once he's under center. Look out because the skill level that he has is certainly John Elway-like.
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Originally Posted by Todd McShay
I can't remember being in such awe of a quarterback in my decade of attending combines and pro days. Russell's passing session was the most impressive of all the pro days I've been to. His footwork for such a big quarterback was surprising. He was nimble in his dropbacks, rolling out and throwing on the run. The ball just explodes out of his hands.
Oh noes! Two ESPN brokedicks don't think highly of Geno Smith or the rest of this year's QB class. If Geno Smith doesn't pan out, then you draft another QB. You keep searching until you find your ****ing QB. JFC. This team is 3-12 in playoff games since Super Bowl IV. Take a chance and draft a QB for Christ's sake.

Buckweath 11-01-2012 09:39 AM
At some point last year, Matt Barkley was considered a better prospect than RGIII and was thought to have a slight chance to be the #1 overall pick in front of Luck, the best QB prospect in a long time.

Now that he's not even considered to be the best Qb prospect available in next year's draft makes me think the trio of Smith/Barkley/Wilson is as good as most year's QB draft crop.

And at the end of the day, as a Chiefs fan, I'd be happy with ''just'' a top 10 QB in this league.

htismaqe 11-01-2012 09:40 AM
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Originally Posted by Saccopoo (Post 9070952)
ROFL

Crush 11-01-2012 09:40 AM
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Originally Posted by Woodsponge Chuckpants (Post 9070919)
I agree that there isn't an elite one. At least it's not obvious if there is one. However, we still gotta take a QB. I am starting to think I would like to take Te'o or Jones with the first pick and use our 3rd (and maybe 2nd) to move back into the first round to draft the QB out of the big three that drops. Or, maybe even Glennon if he moves up boards like some say he will. That comp pick for Carr will come in handy and will allow us to use our regular 3rd round pick to move up. This is the year we move up in the draft imo.



I agree. I really don't think they have been that bad. People overreacted after Oakland imo. Remember what Oakland's d-line did to Matyt Ryan and Atlanta?

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BigCatDaddy 11-01-2012 09:41 AM
I'm pretty sure at this time last year most people weren't on RG3 as an elite pro prospect. I love revisionist history.

Saccopoo 11-01-2012 09:42 AM
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Originally Posted by Lou_Zare (Post 9070941)
whoa doggy. to me he's more like Cam Newton than RG3. but I would not say he is as good as either player. I think you can win with Smith at this level and I agree with your other points. he throws a tight ball.

RG3 is more like Steve Young -- a driven winner. I see smarts in Geno, just not quite as driven to win. He takes what you give him and I like that.
I'd argue vehemently that Cam Newton was indeed a driven winner. Go watch his senior year at Auburn. He put that team on his back and simply took over games because there were no other options.

Anyway, I digress...

RGIII had a superb junior year.

His sophomore year, 2010, Baylor was 7-6.
His Heisman junior year, Baylor was 10-3.

And if you are saying that Smith isn't a driven winner, you would be wrong. He's put WV on his back a multitude of times.

And he's not a "running" QB, which you seem to be eluding to anyway.

I'm not fully comprehending what you are trying to get at, so this is why this response is so vague.

Smith is a stud. He's a better pure QB prospect than Griffin IMO.


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