Originally Posted by jspchief (Post 9286733)

All 3 of Denver's losses came against teams they could face again in the post season. They also all came relatively early in the season.

Denver's rushing D is 3rd in yards per game, and 2nd in yards per attempt
Denver's pass D leads the league in sacks and is 5th in yards per completion

This team isn't just Manning. Like it or not, they are a tough out. If Houston can run, and Watt can harass Manning, they have a chance. If Brady is on, he can beat them. But right now, I wouldn't bet against them.

Originally Posted by Shaid (Post 9286082)

New England. Donkey's aren't making it to the SuperBowl. Take out their AFC West wins(for obvious reasons) and their record doesn't look too good. They are good but not what the media makes them out to be.

Originally Posted by Exoter175 (Post 9286750)

Keep in mind that the Patriots completely dismantled the Texans less than a month ago-ish, and it was Brutal. The Brady-Manning Bowl will never be a bad game, I just don't think Denver can out coach BB and Brady.

Originally Posted by jspchief (Post 9286809)

Yeah, I don't see the AFCCG being anything other than NE/Den. But Denver is the more complete team. Brady will have to be at his best to beat them in Denver

Originally Posted by threebag02 (Post 9286799)

AFCW that is 6 Easy wins

Originally Posted by Exoter175 (Post 9286823)

More complete? Maybe the Pats homer in me is too strong, but I believe the Patriots offense is about 35 times more complete and effective than Denver's.

If you shut down two players in the Broncos offense, you can basically stymie their "Big play" ability.

Not to mention with Gronk back, they've become even MORE complete.

Originally Posted by Exoter175 (Post 9286823)

More complete? Maybe the Pats homer in me is too strong, but I believe the Patriots offense is about 35 times more complete and effective than Denver's.

If you shut down two players in the Broncos offense, you can basically stymie their "Big play" ability.

Not to mention with Gronk back, they've become even MORE complete.

Originally Posted by milkman (Post 9286832)

Complete includes defense as well as offense.

The Pats are still a mediocre defense, while the Donkeys are a top 5 D.

Originally Posted by jspchief (Post 9286840)

Denver is top 5 in offense and defense. New England's defense is not as good. Period.

As for the Pats O being more complete... not IMO, at least not by much. It's certainly more explosive, and they have more weapons, but both teams rely heavily on the passing game.

Originally Posted by jspchief (Post 9286828)

It is. And you could argue that it's padded their statistical rankings as well. The 2 toughest opponents they've faced in the 2nd half of the season are Baltimore and Cincy, and both those wins came at Denver.

I do think teams can keep it close with Denver. They don't have the ability to blow your doors off like NE can.

Originally Posted by Exoter175 (Post 9286862)

The Patriots offense is more dynamic, more explosive than the Denver offense. Denver has yet to beat teams this year that are actually legit contenders. The Patriots just stomped out Houston who at the time, was the #1 team in the AFC.
The Patriots will have no issue bringing the "game" to the Broncos, and in games like these, it doesn't matter if the Pats have a Defense, you will never completely shut down Peyton. More importantly is that you successfully scheme against him. BB happens to be the best schemer in the league.


It doesn't matter where they ranked as a team, because they did not play that many common opponents. If you want an accurate ranking, look at the common opponents. I'm sure the Patriots will look much better than they currently do statistically.

And again, the Pats won't have to stop Peyton, they just have to slow him down. The Patriots will have no problem dicing up the Denver defense and scoring at will. BB will make sure of that.

BUt you'd be a fool to think Denver with Decker, Thomas, and who? Stokley/Tamme? is better than Welker, Gronk, Hernandez, Lloyd, Woodhead, and company.

Pats offense > Denver offense. DID YOU SEE how many points the pats put up this year?

Originally Posted by Exoter175 (Post 9286862)

It doesn't matter where they ranked as a team, because they did not play that many common opponents. If you want an accurate ranking, look at the common opponents. I'm sure the Patriots will look much better than they currently do statistically.

And again, the Pats won't have to stop Peyton, they just have to slow him down. The Patriots will have no problem dicing up the Denver defense and scoring at will. BB will make sure of that.

BUt you'd be a fool to think Denver with Decker, Thomas, and who? Stokley/Tamme? is better than Welker, Gronk, Hernandez, Lloyd, Woodhead, and company.

Pats offense > Denver offense. DID YOU SEE how many points the pats put up this year?