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Direckshun 03-09-2013 05:58 PM

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Originally Posted by MagicHef (Post 9480788)
That doesn't make them more important than the other 18 or 19 positions on the field.

Welp, you fail to explain why so I guess I'm just going to reiterate my previous post.

MagicHef 03-09-2013 06:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Direckshun (Post 9480832)
Welp, you fail to explain why so I guess I'm just going to reiterate my previous post.

DTs need to be big and strong. Almost every DT in the league is over 300 pounds and could throw me across a room. A freak athlete at DT will not be able to positively affect his team to the same extent that a freak athlete at DE, LB, RB, WR, etc would. Drafting one first overall just makes no sense to me.

Here's something I posted earlier in a Geno thread, it's the percentage of top 5 picks over the last 20 years at different positions that went on to have a winning career during the time they were with the team that drafted them:

LB 67%
CB 50%
QB 42%
RB 36 %
OT 21%
DE 20%
DT 11%
WR 10%
S 0%

Direckshun 03-09-2013 07:16 PM

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Originally Posted by MagicHef (Post 9480993)
DTs need to be big and strong. Almost every DT in the league is over 300 pounds and could throw me across a room. A freak athlete at DT will not be able to positively affect his team to the same extent that a freak athlete at DE, LB, RB, WR, etc would. Drafting one first overall just makes no sense to me.

Here's something I posted earlier in a Geno thread, it's the percentage of top 5 picks over the last 20 years at different positions that went on to have a winning career during the time they were with the team that drafted them:

LB 67%
CB 50%
QB 42%
RB 36 %
OT 21%
DE 20%
DT 11%
WR 10%
S 0%

That's pretty much just correlation, not causation. This clearly seems to argue that corner and linebacker is the way to win in this league.

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MagicHef 03-09-2013 07:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Direckshun (Post 9481189)
That's pretty much just correlation, not causation. This clearly seems to argue that corner and linebacker is the way to win in this league.

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So, explain why they correlate.

Direckshun 03-09-2013 08:32 PM

Are you seriously arguing that drafting linebackers is the most certain way of achieving future success in the NFL?

Linebackers?

Nightfyre 03-09-2013 08:39 PM

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Originally Posted by MagicHef (Post 9481366)
So, explain why they correlate.

How about getting a real sample size and getting back to me.

MagicHef 03-09-2013 09:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Direckshun (Post 9481436)
Are you seriously arguing that drafting linebackers is the most certain way of achieving future success in the NFL?

Linebackers?

I don't recall writing that, no.

MagicHef 03-09-2013 09:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Nightfyre (Post 9481452)
How about getting a real sample size and getting back to me.

20 years of top 5 picks is 100 players. It's fairly difficult to get a larger sample size that would pertain to such a high pick.

Direckshun 03-09-2013 09:12 PM

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Originally Posted by MagicHef (Post 9481539)
I don't recall writing that, no.

Wait wait wait...

So we can use that information you've cited as clear evidence that defensive tackles are amongst the least important position to draft in the Top 5, but we can't equally argue the other way, that linebackers are among the most important positions to draft in the Top 5?

'Hamas' Jenkins 03-09-2013 09:13 PM

That barely improves the team, either now or in the future.

MagicHef 03-09-2013 09:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Direckshun (Post 9481548)
Wait wait wait...

So we can use that information you've cited as clear evidence that defensive tackles are amongst the least important position to draft in the Top 5, but we can't equally argue the other way, that linebackers are among the most important positions to draft in the Top 5?

I'd always take the QB, unless it was similar to the 1996 draft.

If there is a LB worthy of such a high pick (Von, Willie McGinest) it is a very good way of improving your team.

I'd never take a DT or OL.

Dave Lane 03-09-2013 10:53 PM

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Originally Posted by MagicHef (Post 9481611)
I'd always take the QB, unless it was similar to the 1996 draft.

If there is a LB worthy of such a high pick (Von, Willie McGinest) it is a very good way of improving your team.

I'd never take a DT or OL.

Completely agree at 1.1

buddha 03-10-2013 07:22 AM

Who wouldn't want an elite QB at 1.1? There is not argument there, right?

What is arguable is taking a QB at 1.1 who isn't elite. Please tell us how THAT improves a team? I can rattle off dozens of QBs who were supposed to be elite, were drafted at the top of the draft, and never did shit in the NFL.

So here were are...is Geno Smith an elite QB prospect? Perhaps. However, there are a lot of "experts" out there who have serious doubts.

This NFL draft reminds me of the NBA draft from 1989...Pervis Ellison was the first pick. The whole top end of that draft ranged from slightly above average to suck. I would kill to have had the first pick last year, or the first pick next year. Bad luck.

There is no player any of us could name for 1.1 who can't be ripped to shreds immediately.

jd1020 03-10-2013 08:51 AM

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Originally Posted by buddha (Post 9482343)
Who wouldn't want an elite QB at 1.1? There is not argument there, right?

What is arguable is taking a QB at 1.1 who isn't elite. Please tell us how THAT improves a team? I can rattle off dozens of QBs who were supposed to be elite, were drafted at the top of the draft, and never did shit in the NFL.

So here were are...is Geno Smith an elite QB prospect? Perhaps. However, there are a lot of "experts" out there who have serious doubts.

This NFL draft reminds me of the NBA draft from 1989...Pervis Ellison was the first pick. The whole top end of that draft ranged from slightly above average to suck. I would kill to have had the first pick last year, or the first pick next year. Bad luck.

There is no player any of us could name for 1.1 who can't be ripped to shreds immediately.

Just like there are a number of cant miss prospects that were suppose to be elite and busted, there are a number of can miss prospects that weren't suppose to be elite and ended up being elite.

You'll never get ahead if you don't try.


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