I think they will both get their shots, but there's a reason they get passed over. Harbaugh has two guys who are probably better suited to be coordinators than head coaches. Roman especially.

The talent was there prior to Harbaugh getting there. He added Aldon but they had guys. Manusky sucked with that defense too.

Agree

This is the fourth time Vic Fangio has been a DC of an NFL team. He's 55 years old. There's a reason why he's been passed over that many times.

It will be interesting to see what happens when Harbaugh has to reload.

That's the core of my OP. Both them and the Seachickens have a lot of talent to pay in the next couple years. And their QBs are working for peanuts.

Matt Cassel and Thomas Jones thrashed that defense in 2010. It's amazing the turnaround they experienced just a year later.

I really don't like either San Fran or Seattle, but I will say this. There are some built on talent, some built on scheme, some built on fundamentals, and some built on effort. Pretty remarkable when you're able to do all 4.

As unbelievable a coach as Hoodie is, and I often feel this way about Reid too, their defenses have often looked soft and vulnerable. One thing I admire about these two teams is they don't make mistakes and they are extremely active. There are always multiple players around the ball. That's something Marty used to do really well. I remember commenting years ago that Reid's defense did too, when they were coached under Jim Johnson.

Mike Singletary could crash a plane on autopilot if he was sitting in the shitter in coach.

Thats what I remember about his Jim Johnson defenses. They were nasty.

I think alot of the Hoodie's problem is he tries/or has tried to do too much and not let Dcoords do their thing.

Hahahaha.

It also extends to guys like Tomsula, who has been one of the best DL coaches in the league. He should be a coordinator somewhere.

They're well managed from the top down, have a hate for his guts if you want with the HC... but no, I highly doubt the Niners are done, they're pretty much just getting started as a matter of fact.

BUT... even Joe Montana is hip to my, and a great many peoples beliefs... Kaep isnt going to be GREAT until he can be a complete pocket passer and be able to mix in the dynamics when needed... not the other way around.

Running QB's are still a flash in the pan... scheme it up, cook it up however you want... but you'll still get your young guy killed that way.

If you cant drop back and scan the field you're dead in the 60's and dead in 2014 just the same.

Maybe that system is just the perfect fit, personel and coaching.

Those New England teams are completely bereft of defensive talent. It's Jerod Mayo (overrated, BTW), Wilfork, and a bunch of ****ing bums for the last half decade.

Talib is overrated as well, and almost all of their defensive back draft picks (Meriweather, McCourty, Butler) have bombed out.

They tried to patch their holes via FA (Adalius Thomas, countless others) via free agency and failed.

That defense has been extremely gettable for almost ten years.