So theoretically, Vernon Davis improves this team more than JJ Watt?

The DE spot in this d isn't devalued, we just don't have anyone there who's worth a shit rushing the passer.

We need pass rush from th DL

Jace Amaro to me is a potential difference maker at TE and he's likely to be available in that range.

If we're sitting there with someone like Ebron available then that's a different story. At that point, you're drafting for upside and then we're back to looking at guys like Hageman and Tuitt.

I just don't understand locking onto those guys as a first resort. This team is too bereft of talent to do that.

Rashede Hageman is NOT JJ Watt. Enough of the hyperbole.

I just don't think TE is in the table, with the Kelce pick last year. Like it or not (I don't) they'll wait and see on that pick

If you're going to claim JJ Watt then ask if Jimmy Graham improves this team more than JJ Watt? The answer is yes.

Exactly.

Well, we all know what they're going to do, so this whole argument is moot.

They're not going to take a pass catcher or a pass rusher.

Like you said, Jj watt wasn't Jj watt coming out.

Even if like Direkshun says, he's Wilkerson, that's something we need on the DL. We need defensive lineman who can play all three downs. Hopefully Bailey could become that, but that's also why I wanted Sheldon Richardson last year.

I just don't think an elite pass catcher is more important than an elite rusher, theoretically.

A playmaking pass rusher from the interior, IMO, is just a notch below qb.

I think everybody here agrees that it would be ideal if Allen Bailey or Mike Catapano played lights out next year at DE, assuming we don't bring TJax back or bring another DE in.

But you must shut down the run, and you must move the QB if your defense is going to be successful. A DE push from the interior will get the QB to do that faster than the OLB off the edge. Owning the interior gives you everything you want for your defense. The Panthers went from a shit defense to a Top 5 defense overnight with the exact same passrushers when they brought in Star Lotulelei and Kawann Short at DT.

We've taken a significant step in that direction by bringing Poe in. But OLs have countered by doubling him. We need to punish them for that, and TJax wasn't the answer to that. Nor was Bailey/Catapano.

I'd put it this way:

QB


















OLB


NT

DE


CB
WR

OT



TE

But I'm a big defense guy.

I agree

It's also why I think the fisher pick was atrocious

Well keep in mind, they shift with every team.

The less elite your QB is, the importance of those players around him grows.

Before the draft, if I had to pick a non-QB to have gone to us, Fisher probably would have been in the top 3. (I would have picked Joeckel.)

I just can't believe we didn't spend that pick on a QB. I really can't.

This team would be so ****ed if we didn't draft a LT last year.

We draft any other position, the right now we are forced to pay out the ass for a LT that is continuously hurt.
That money makes it hard as he'll for us to extend Alex Smith and leave money for Justin Houston. So basically you're forced to cut good players to get money and you can't spend anything at all in free agency.

We still don't know if we have a LT worth a shit. We could plug Stephenson in, sign a RT and probably be no worse off