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penguinz 03-26-2015 08:56 AM

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Originally Posted by jonzie04 (Post 11404192)
E85 has a ridiculous amount of octane, not sure how much, but i've run water, meth setups, as well as, and i'm able to run quite a bit more timing on e85 than i could on the meth/water setup.


edit. nvm penguinz has it covered. 113 octane.

do you know if thats e85 blend or 100% ethanol penguinz?

E85 is 100-105 octane. Pure is 113.

BossChief 03-26-2015 08:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Radar Chief (Post 11404219)
In Kansas at least, pumps no longer have to be clearly marked as to whether they contain ethanol or not. 87 to 89 octane are now assumed to have 10% ethanol, the only non-ethanol fuel available is premium.
If a motor is prepared for it the damage is mitigated, just that most small engines are still working with old fuel line and gasket material that deteriorates with the use of ethanol.

All I know is I get 280-290 miles before the gas light goes on if I use Kum n go or BP 87 no ethanol..if I put the ethanol blend in it, the gas light goes on at 240-250. Sometimes sooner if I get the gas at a kwik star

BigMeatballDave 03-26-2015 09:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Radar Chief (Post 11404186)
What, freeze? Gasoline doesn’t freeze until -40 to -50 C, -40 to – 58 F.
Are you really getting down that low?

As Penquinz said, I should have said ethanol removes water to prevent freezing.

BigMeatballDave 03-26-2015 09:04 AM

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Originally Posted by penguinz (Post 11404193)
I think he was referring to water condensation in the fuel line freezing.

Yeah, this. Thanks.

Chief Roundup 03-26-2015 09:10 AM

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Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 11404220)
Not true

Yeah I don't know about Iowa. But that is the way it is in MO.

Chief Faithful 03-26-2015 09:24 AM

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Originally Posted by petegz28 (Post 11404200)
pure-gas.org

Thanks for sharing, I'm buying by the litter at Home Depot. Now I can fill up my 5 gallon can. I use it for small engines as ethanol destroys them.

petegz28 03-26-2015 09:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Chief Faithful (Post 11404288)
Thanks for sharing, I'm buying by the litter at Home Depot. Now I can fill up my 5 gallon can. I use it for small engines as ethanol destroys them.

Yeah I am going to start using this stuff in my mower for the same reason.

Mr. Laz 03-26-2015 10:50 AM

Ethanol is bullshit at this point and should be dropped until/unless the science improves enough to make it.

penguinz 03-26-2015 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Laz (Post 11404493)
Ethanol is bullshit at this point and should be dropped until/unless the science improves enough to make it.

The only issue with ethanol is that in the US we use corn to make it. There are many other plants that are much more efficient to make it from.

BigMeatballDave 03-26-2015 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by penguinz (Post 11404811)
The only issue with ethanol is that in the US we use corn to make it. There are many other plants that are much more efficient to make it from.

Yep. In South America they use sugar cane.

kcfanXIII 03-26-2015 02:38 PM

Hy Vee premium is ethanol free. I don't worry too much about my car, but will drive out of my way to avoid putting ethanol blends in the bike. plus, there is a BP not too far away from me that sells 93 ethanol free. (I believe it is 93, may be 92 or 94...) My old bike loved that gas. Haven't got a chance to run it through the new one yet.

Mr. Laz 03-26-2015 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by BigMeatballDave (Post 11404904)
Yep. In South America they use sugar cane.

still takes away from a food source and uses land and resources to grow/harvest/process it

ethanol is also less efficient

Last stats i saw were that it takes a 1.5 gallons of ethanol to produce the same energy as a gallon of gas.

Going forward producing enough food for a growing population is going to further squeeze ethanol out as a energy source.

Full court press on electricity imo

Maybe hydrogen/electricity, maybe just straight battery/electricity ... whatever works best.

alnorth 03-26-2015 03:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Chief Roundup (Post 11404247)
Yeah I don't know about Iowa. But that is the way it is in MO.

Yeah, up here in Iowa every single option with ethanol in it is labelled as such.

kcfanXIII 03-26-2015 03:20 PM

Its a shame they can't make it from weeds. Oh wait...

http://www.hemp.com/hemp-education/u...emp/hemp-fuel/

Hemp ethanol/methanol – made from the fermented stalk.

To clarify further, ethanol is made from such things as grains, sugars, starches, waste paper and forest products, and methanol is made from woody/pulp matter. Using processes such as gasification, acid hydrolysis and enzymes, hemp can be used to make both ethanol and methanol.

BigMeatballDave 03-26-2015 03:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Laz (Post 11405051)
still takes away from a food source and uses land and resources to grow/harvest/process it

ethanol is also less efficient

Last stats i saw were that it takes a 1.5 gallons of ethanol to produce the same energy as a gallon of gas.

Going forward producing enough food for a growing population is going to further squeeze ethanol out as a energy source.

Full court press on electricity imo

Maybe hydrogen/electricity, maybe just straight battery/electricity ... whatever works best.

I think some South American countries use sugar beet.

I think cane and beet produces a much higher yield than corn.


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