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RunKC 07-01-2015 10:04 AM
Reid and Dorsey have done a good job so far. 20 wins in 2 seasons taking over a 2 win team speaks volumes.

We are young, talented and primed for the future.

I think this team is a year away from being completely finished, but it's damn close. We will make the playoffs this year and we will win the division.

DaneMcCloud 07-01-2015 10:05 AM
I'm not the biggest Andy Reid fan but I'm not a hater, either.

I think he's been so busy, in game, trying to scheme around the blatant offensive deficiencies that he's missed some crucial calls that have led to defeat. Barring catastrophic injury, I wager to guess that we'lol see less of that in 2015.

He's a good coach but needs to stop out-coaching himself.

milkman 07-01-2015 10:06 AM
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Originally Posted by Billay (Post 11575452)
2013 was he got his 2nd highest amount of carries in a season and was featured in the passing game. You guys are funny.
It seems pretty clear that Reid's first order of business was to turn things around to win the fanbase back.

Credit to him for making the necessary halftime adjustment to win games.

He did so by utilizing the one weapon on offense, and supplementing that weapon with support.

He went to the ground game with Charles, and brought in Anthony Sherman to block.

With the fanbase back, Reid reverted to Reid last year.

RunKC 07-01-2015 10:09 AM
You can't put all of this on Andy. The OL and WR core was a trainwreck last year.im surprised he made it 16 games with gameplans to score some points.

This was a bottom 10 talented offense last year and we were 16th in points scored. That's Because of Reid folks.

Discuss Thrower 07-01-2015 10:09 AM
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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 11575470)
38-28 without McNabb. Yeah Reid sure sucks.

Never go full Discuss
0-3 in the playoffs without Johnson, 0-2 without McNabb.

Drafting McNabb has made Reid's career.. Without that fact, Reid's ceiling is OC.

DaneMcCloud 07-01-2015 10:09 AM
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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2 (Post 11575495)
Vermeil was a hired gun for a short term run. His goal wasn't to plan for the future. His job was to win now. His choices of DC's doomed him. It was Peterson's plan since he knew he had worn out his welcome.
Five years isn't a short run. His decisions and influence on Carl Peterson in terms of free agent personnel and the draft turned the Chiefs franchise into an expansion team.

He ****ing blows. He wasn't the architect of the '99 Rams organization. He was the guy that led them to 5-11 and 4-12 seasons, which is why he was dumped.

DaneMcCloud 07-01-2015 10:10 AM
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Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower (Post 11575508)
0-3 in the playoffs without Johnson, 0-2 without McNabb.

Drafting McNabb has made Reid's career.. Without that fact, Reid's ceiling is OC.
The less you know

milkman 07-01-2015 10:10 AM
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Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower (Post 11575464)
He wouldn't be thought of as a upper echelon coach had it not been for that SB run a decade ago, and hasn't won a playoff game without Johnson as a DC.

Of course, this is the NFL we're talking about here so he really doesn't have to succeed in any appreciable form to keep his job as HC because it's just too risky to go with someone unproven... Like Bruce Arians.
I wholeheartedly agree that Johnson was a huge eason for Reid's success.

But Reid has to be given credit for hiring Johnson.

Saccopoo 07-01-2015 10:12 AM
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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 11575509)
Five years isn't a short run. His decisions and influence on Carl Peterson in terms of free agent personnel and the draft turned the Chiefs franchise into an expansion team.

He ****ing blows. He wasn't the architect of the '99 Rams organization. He was the guy that led them to 5-11 and 4-12 seasons, which is why he was dumped.
Abso****linglutely.

Discuss Thrower 07-01-2015 10:14 AM
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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 11575512)
I wholeheartedly agree that Johnson was a huge eason for Reid's success.

But Reid has to be given credit for hiring Johnson.
Sure, but this is my point: Reid's continued tenure as a HC is because of decisions he made almost two decades ago.

What has he done since McNabb was in Philly and since Johnson was his DC?

... and to the first person that tries to cock slap me upside the head with "Durrrr, the '13 Chiefs!"

1) Easiest nine game stretch any team could ever be gifted by the scheduling committee and fluke injuries
2) What was the combined record of the team the two seasons prior to 2013 and how many of those players on those two teams were still key factors to 2013's success?

The Franchise 07-01-2015 10:16 AM
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Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower (Post 11575523)
Sure, but this is my point: Reid's continued tenure as a HC is because of decisions he made almost two decades ago.

What has he done since McNabb was in Philly and since Johnson was his DC?

... and to the first person that tries to cock slap me upside the head with "Durrrr, the '13 Chiefs!"

1) Easiest nine game stretch any team could ever be gifted by the scheduling committee and fluke injuries
2) What was the combined record of the team the two seasons prior to 2013 and how many of those players on those two teams were still key factors to 2013's success?
You are pretty much the Ying to the Alex Smith apologist's Yang. They consistently throw out excuses....and you do as well.

-King- 07-01-2015 10:17 AM
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Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower (Post 11575523)
Sure, but this is my point: Reid's continued tenure as a HC is because of decisions he made almost two decades ago.

What has he done since McNabb was in Philly and since Johnson was his DC?

... and to the first person that tries to cock slap me upside the head with "Durrrr, the '13 Chiefs!"

1) Easiest nine game stretch any team could ever be gifted by the scheduling committee and fluke injuries
2) What was the combined record of the team the two seasons prior to 2013 and how many of those players on those two teams were still key factors to 2013's success?
So...Andy Reid sucks as a head coach because he coached up the players he inherited.


Gotcha.

milkman 07-01-2015 10:17 AM
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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 11575485)
Vermeil ****ed this franchise far worse than Herm, Romeo and Crennel combined.

He passed on Drew Brees, gave up the #12 overall for a damaged QB that played poorly his initial and final season, in a tenure that lasted only six seasons.

His refusal to fire Greg Robinson and the defensive staff cost this team a chance for deep playoff success.

His insistance in drafting defensive lineman with pick after pick while avoiding his aging offense line, cornerback and WR corp put the Chiefs in a hole that took nearly a decade to recover. The guy wanted Tyler Brayton over LJ when the right choice was Polamalu.

He made more excuses than any coach in franchise history for his baffling losses and decisions. IMO, he's below Mackovic, Levy, Stram, Schottenheimer and Andy Reid. And hell, at least Herm and Bill Kuharich put together a decent 2008 draft.
Brees would have been booed out of KC before he ever achieved any level of success.

He was a crap QB for his first 3 years, averaging just 204 yards per game, with 53 TDs and 37 ints.

BossChief 07-01-2015 10:17 AM
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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 11575500)
I'm not the biggest Andy Reid fan but I'm not a hater, either.

I think he's been so busy, in game, trying to scheme around the blatant offensive deficiencies that he's missed some crucial calls that have led to defeat. Barring catastrophic injury, I wager to guess that we'lol see less of that in 2015.

He's a good coach but needs to stop out-coaching himself.
Absolutely.

Jenkins
Hammond
Hemmingway
Linkenbach
McGlynn
Fulton


That's a lot of shit to try and hide.

The fact we were 16th in points scored while being 13th in points per drive while dragging all that dead weight is very impressive.

This 2015 Chiefs team will field a top 10 scoring offense and defense.

OnTheWarpath15 07-01-2015 10:18 AM
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Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower (Post 11575523)
Sure, but this is my point: Reid's continued tenure as a HC is because of decisions he made almost two decades ago.

What has he done since McNabb was in Philly and since Johnson was his DC?

... and to the first person that tries to cock slap me upside the head with "Durrrr, the '13 Chiefs!"

1) Easiest nine game stretch any team could ever be gifted by the scheduling committee and fluke injuries
2) What was the combined record of the team the two seasons prior to 2013 and how many of those players on those two teams were still key factors to 2013's success?
Great point.

Everyone wants to use 2012 as a defense for this "great turnaround" while ignoring that this team was basically a .500 team who had one bad season.

It's not like they had been a 2 win team for 5+ years.


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