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Saccopoo 11-06-2015 11:53 PM

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Originally Posted by the Talking Can (Post 11866402)
yeah, let's spend our first on a guard...genus

You see the difference that even a Jeff Allen makes in the game over warmed over dog shit?

By the time the Chiefs pick, the top three QB's will most likely be off the board. (Lynch, Goff, Cook.)

You take the best player at that point unless they actually do the bold and move up for a guy like Lynch.

Alexander would likely be in the conversation as BPA at that point. The guy is a fricking freight train. Go watch the last two years of LSU football. Dude absolutely wrecks defensive lines.

A guy like Hackenberg or Hogan should be available with the Chiefs second rounder and both are very similar players - big arm, good athletes, etc. Both are pretty solid prospects. (Personally, I like either of them better than Goff at this point and maybe even Cook. Lynch is my fav, but at this pace, he's not going to be available.)

If you can get a Hogan or Hackenberg in the second round, you load up on fixing the protection issue that has plague this team at the OG spot for the past five plus years. Alexander would rectify that immediately. And then you get your QBOTF in the second. (And both Hogan and Hack do have first round talent. It's just a pretty good 1 through 5 at the QB position - if all the QB's declare.)

Direckshun 11-07-2015 01:59 AM

There's really only one guard I would have taken in the first round in my roughly-decade-long time following the draft intensely, and that's David DeCastro, and he's hardly been worth the return on investment for the Steelers.

Saccopoo 11-11-2015 10:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Direckshun (Post 11867989)
There's really only one guard I would have taken in the first round in my roughly-decade-long time following the draft intensely, and that's David DeCastro, and he's hardly been worth the return on investment for the Steelers.

You can say that about most positions though.

And due to the rookie salary cap, the positional value is not as critical as it was in the recent past. You just get the best guy on the board, regardless of position as it only helps build the team.

Look at the Chiefs this season - the addition of Jeff Allen and Sean Smith has basically turned around this team from an on field performance stand point. And neither are world beaters, but they are good enough to be the difference in a team who was pretty close.

They still need a legitimate RG and RT. And Vadal Alexander is legit. The Tigers have basically run behind him for three straight seasons and have done so effectively. He absolutely works dudes. Nasty.

And I would have taken Gabe Jackson in the first round of 2014. He was the best OG prospect I've seen in a long time and he's absolutely ****ing dudes up this season. Big reason for the Raiders possible resurgence in 2015.

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ESPN’s NFL Insider Matt Williamson, a former NFL scout, recently said Jackson is on the brink of being an elite player. He said Jackson is one of the key foundation players of an organization that’s rebuilding around him, Carr, Cooper and Mack.
“He’s one of the very top young guards in the NFL right now,” Williamson told ESPN.com. “
Vadal Alexander is that same type of player. Very physical, looking to intimidate guys opposite of him. Plays with a strong base and drives dudes relentlessly.

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Alexander, who is experienced at both guard and tackle, is a mauler in the run game with heavy hands and the core strength to generate movement at the point of attack.
You take the best available. If the Chiefs win the games that they should they will be picking in the teens to twenties and Alexander will definitely be in the conversation in terms of BPA at that point. (And, as stated, if that's where the Chiefs pick, then, most likely, the top three QB's will be off the board and they should have their pick of either Hackenberg or Hogan in the second - both of which have legitimate tools for the next level. (And I do think that Hackenberg has the potential to actually be the best QB in this draft class long term.)

Mr_Tomahawk 11-12-2015 12:51 PM

God I love this draft.

SAUTO 11-12-2015 06:47 PM

I'm in on this

The Franchise 11-14-2015 03:28 PM

If we aren't taking a QB until the 2nd.....give me Jaylon Smith, ILB in the first.

jonzie04 11-14-2015 04:51 PM

No idea where we will be picking, but if both Jaylon Smith and Vadal are there when we pick I'm taking Smith 100 times out of 100 picks. Don't know much about Vadal, but both Smith, and Jack have the upside to be among the very best in the game IMO. I do like the way you drafted though. We certainly could use another lineman or two. And I'd love to take the BPA in the first, assuming the top 2 QBs were gone, and then follow it up with the best QB available.

RunKC 11-14-2015 05:10 PM

Your first round pick sucks In pass pro and got humiliated vs Alabama.

These days you should be looking to take a QB, OT, pass rusher or secondary in round 1 unless there is a truly great generational player available.

Urc Burry 11-16-2015 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Pestilence (Post 11881888)
If we aren't taking a QB until the 2nd.....give me Jaylon Smith, ILB in the first.

LOVE Jaylon Smith. Not sure he'll be there though. Would Myles Jack be a fit? I love his versatility

ILChief 11-16-2015 06:59 PM

CP will implode, but not bad picks

Couch-Potato 11-17-2015 09:54 AM

Great draft! Thank you for sharing.

If we went this direction I would need to see a Vet WR added that can actually play though.

...I'm already having nightmares that we'll end up grabbing Victor Cruz as our hot WR addition of the offseason.

Saccopoo 11-17-2015 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Urc Burry (Post 11888944)
LOVE Jaylon Smith. Not sure he'll be there though. Would Myles Jack be a fit? I love his versatility

Why would we want to draft a guy/two guys who are 43 OLBs at the next level?

Great athletes the both of them, but neither are gap filling, 34 ILB's at the next level.

If you are looking for a potential convert from weakside OLB to ILB like Derrick Johnson, both McKinzy (who has played both inside and outside for Auburn) and Ohio State's Josh Perry (who is more of a traditional 34 OLB but has characteristics that would translate to the ILB 34 position) would be, potentially, better options than either Smith or Jack.

Personally, I'd love to see them pillage either Zach Vigil or Josh Hull from the Dolphins this off-season in addition to drafting a guy.

Saccopoo 11-17-2015 06:42 PM

Newly updated after the win against the shit munching Doncos.

RunKC 11-17-2015 07:40 PM

I think ILB is one of the least valuable positions to draft in the first rd unless a generational talent is there.

We also have Wilson and March.

ILChief 11-17-2015 08:02 PM

I liked the last version better


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