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kccrow 04-02-2017 05:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Black Bob (Post 12806632)
I agree. I'd give our first four picks to move to 16 to get him. I'm not a Mahommes fan. He's not going until day 2 or 3. There simply isn't enough talent there to warrant taking him in the first.

I told you last year, whether he deserved it or not, Goff was going #1.

I'm telling you this year that Mahomes is going round 1.

SAGA45 04-03-2017 01:27 AM

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Originally Posted by LoneWolf (Post 12806346)
There have been a few RBs drafted this decade better than Fournette. He runs too upright and he's not elusive enough to be a great back in the NFL.

I disagree. I think he runs with pretty good pad level and I haven't seen another back besides Adrian Peterson in his prime who, at that size (220-240), can hit top gear as fast and pull away from everybody for a homerun. I also think he has more wiggle than he gets credit for because his power game stands out so much.

When watch I Fournette's film I see defenders become more and more hesitant to take him head-on as the game progresses. I will say this...there's been several RB's drafted in the last decade that are more COMPLETE. But NONE with Fournette's combination of size, finishing power, and sheer homerun acceleration.

Black Bob 04-03-2017 07:15 PM

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Originally Posted by kccrow (Post 12806771)
I told you last year, whether he deserved it or not, Goff was going #1.

I'm telling you this year that Mahomes is going round 1.

You were right about that. I couldn't believe they didn't take Wentz. Maybe someone trades back into the first round and takes him? I doubt it though. He's a big project.

kccrow 04-04-2017 02:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Black Bob (Post 12808387)
You were right about that. I couldn't believe they didn't take Wentz. Maybe someone trades back into the first round and takes him? I doubt it though. He's a big project.

He's a project yeah, just like the rest, but he has some great tools that are hard to find. He also seems to be a guy that will go to work and he's a leader with fire and passion. He tries to make too many plays sometimes, and that's my biggest fear with him. Brett Favre never got over it and it cost his team as much as it helped. I'm not at all worried about this back foot business. He's shown me more than enough good that it's really a non-issue for me. Getting him to stop playing back yard football, that's the issue. Rodgers and Roethlisberger have that aspect to their game too, but they know when to pull back. I've seen Mahomes do some smart things and live to play the next down, but he still makes some bonehead mistakes. That's when the pundits chime in and say he has these horrible mechanics. No, really, for the most part he has solid mechanics but they do break down when he tries to do too much.

-King- 04-04-2017 05:55 AM

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Originally Posted by kccrow (Post 12808817)
He's a project yeah, just like the rest, but he has some great tools that are hard to find. He also seems to be a guy that will go to work and he's a leader with fire and passion. He tries to make too many plays sometimes, and that's my biggest fear with him. Brett Favre never got over it and it cost his team as much as it helped. I'm not at all worried about this back foot business. He's shown me more than enough good that it's really a non-issue for me. Getting him to stop playing back yard football, that's the issue. Rodgers and Roethlisberger have that aspect to their game too, but they know when to pull back. I've seen Mahomes do some smart things and live to play the next down, but he still makes some bonehead mistakes. That's when the pundits chime in and say he has these horrible mechanics. No, really, for the most part he has solid mechanics but they do break down when he tries to do too much.

He does not have solid mechanics. His feet are all over the place and he rarely steps into his throw. His throwing motion isnt ideal, but it's not bad. But the lower half of his body is a mess when he throws 80% of the time.
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SAGA45 04-04-2017 12:06 PM

I'm no expert on mechanics. I look at the end result....does the ball get where it needs to go? If the answer to that is yes then the next question is ..how often? Mahomes is +60% in his collegiate career. Therefore, to me....his mechanics, though important, don't hurt him enough to outweigh his positives.

No matter how much he works on it. He will always default to bad mechanics in tight situations. But if the ball gets where it needs to go then ultimately, who cares. Nobody is going to dissect his mechanics on a game winning td that clinches a playoff berth or division title.

Mahomes and Watson both have that x-factor and it's well worth gambling on in the first round of this draft class, especially Mahomes with his arm.

kccrow 04-04-2017 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by -King- (Post 12808852)
He does not have solid mechanics. His feet are all over the place and he rarely steps into his throw. His throwing motion isnt ideal, but it's not bad. But the lower half of his body is a mess when he throws 80% of the time.
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this isn't ****ing baseball dude, QBs don't step into throws. it's called weight transfer, and he effectively transfers that weight from his back throwing leg to his front, non-throwing leg with good hip and core torsion most of the time. I see it. Not sure what the problem is. Are you expecting him to leg whip and bring his back foot off the ground every throw? I just don't get it. Yeah, he throws off his back foot sometimes, but he's far from a mess mechanically.

If he has an issue, it's trying to make a play too often rather than throwing balls away he should. Can't chuck some of those balls up on the move that he does and not have them picked in the NFL. I think it was Bucky Brooks who said it best for me: "He just throws the ball up sometimes and it drives me crazy." That sums it up for me with him too. It isn't his mechanics. Gotta coach the bad decisions out of him. Reign this kid in, he's going to be a stud.

raybec 4 04-04-2017 02:00 PM

Mahomes will not under any circumstances make it out of the first round. Way too much arm talent to pass on with at least 10 teams who have immediate need or are looking to the next 2 years with a current veteran who won't be around.

-King- 04-05-2017 04:14 AM

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Originally Posted by kccrow (Post 12809345)
this isn't ****ing baseball dude, QBs don't step into throws. it's called weight transfer, and he effectively transfers that weight from his back throwing leg to his front, non-throwing leg with good hip and core torsion most of the time. I see it. Not sure what the problem is. Are you expecting him to leg whip and bring his back foot off the ground every throw? I just don't get it. Yeah, he throws off his back foot sometimes, but he's far from a mess mechanically.

If he has an issue, it's trying to make a play too often rather than throwing balls away he should. Can't chuck some of those balls up on the move that he does and not have them picked in the NFL. I think it was Bucky Brooks who said it best for me: "He just throws the ball up sometimes and it drives me crazy." That sums it up for me with him too. It isn't his mechanics. Gotta coach the bad decisions out of him. Reign this kid in, he's going to be a stud.

Wut? QB don't step into throws? Lol what?
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kccrow 04-05-2017 11:52 AM

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Originally Posted by -King- (Post 12810080)
Wut? QB don't step into throws? Lol what?
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you don't read so well, do you reerun?

LET ME SPEAK VERY VERY SLOWLY. ITS CALLED WEIGHT TRANSFER. QBs DO NOT NEED TO "STEP" INTO THROWS. THIS IS NOT BASEBALL. THEY DO NOT MAKE SOME GIANT STEP AND LEG WHIP LIKE YOUR reerunED ASS THINKS.

GO WATCH AARON RODGERS, THEN GO WATCH PAT MAHOMES THROW THE FOOTBALL. SAME MOTION. IDIOT. EFFECTIVE WEIGHT TRANSFER OFF THE BACK LEG INTO THE THROWING MOTION GOING FORWARD. CONSISTENTLY.

EDITED FOR EXTRA IDIOT EMPHASIS.

kccrow 04-05-2017 12:00 PM

I'll even HELP YOU with a RODGERS video.

http://www.packers.com/media-center/...4-a75a6195ec19

-King- 04-05-2017 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by kccrow (Post 12810678)
you don't read so well, do you reerun?

LET ME SPEAK VERY VERY SLOWLY. ITS CALLED WEIGHT TRANSFER. QBs DO NOT NEED TO "STEP" INTO THROWS. THIS IS NOT BASEBALL. THEY DO NOT MAKE SOME GIANT STEP AND LEG WHIP LIKE YOUR reerunED ASS THINKS.

GO WATCH AARON RODGERS, THEN GO WATCH PAT MAHOMES THROW THE FOOTBALL. SAME MOTION. IDIOT. EFFECTIVE WEIGHT TRANSFER OFF THE BACK LEG INTO THE THROWING MOTION GOING FORWARD. CONSISTENTLY.

EDITED FOR EXTRA IDIOT EMPHASIS.

Lol ok.
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kccrow 04-05-2017 04:42 PM

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Originally Posted by -King- (Post 12811081)
Lol ok.
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Idiot. :D

-King- 04-06-2017 05:32 AM

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Originally Posted by kccrow (Post 12811240)
Idiot. :D

Yep. QBs don't step into throws. Guess everybody who has ever talked about QBs other than you is wrong. And I guess everybody talking about Mahomes mechanics is wrong. Good call.
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O.city 04-06-2017 09:18 AM

Panthers gonna take McCaffrey at 9


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