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Fat Elvis 03-23-2013 05:46 PM
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Originally Posted by FringeNC (Post 9524182)
Link for Andy Reid offenses throwing it only 20 times a game for less than 200 yards a game? How many times a game did he chuck it with rookie Foles? I don't know, but am guessing a lot more than 20 times a game.
On avereage, a lot more than 20x/game....

http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/gamelo...877/nick-foles

patteeu 03-23-2013 05:46 PM
My expectation is Trent Green levels of team success with at least a playoff win or two. Anything short of that is failure IMO. Anything beyond that will be a pleasant surprise.

The reason I have slightly higher expectations for AS than what Trent Green produced is because AS has the benefit of a team that's on the rise whereas Trent Green was on an aging team that was trying to keep the window open as long as possible. I think the AFC West will be an easier division over the next few years than it was in the early 2000s too.

Mav 03-23-2013 05:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Go to Hell (Post 9524217)
looks like a dirty slut

no doubt a former club whore. Alex loved them.
actually you jackass, his wife is a former chargers cheer leader. You love to do research, research her before you open your filthy cock gobbler.

jd1020 03-23-2013 05:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Alex Smith Fan (Post 9524241)
He was SECOND in the league in yards per attempt.....

Something is wrong with your logic.
You do realize that ypa counts for more than where the receiver actually catches the ball right?

Mav 03-23-2013 05:47 PM
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Originally Posted by jd1020 (Post 9524242)
I imagine Reid will count on him to throw the ball more than 5 yards down field.
nods. I would too. But, ill say the same thing to you. He was second in yards per attempt, and none of the 49ers receivers were top 5 in yards after catch.......

Mav 03-23-2013 05:48 PM
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Originally Posted by jd1020 (Post 9524249)
You do realize that ypa counts for more than where the receiver actually catches the ball right?
I do. do you know where the 49ers receivers ranked in yards after catch?

jd1020 03-23-2013 05:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Alex Smith Fan (Post 9524257)
I do. do you know where the 49ers receivers ranked in yards after catch?
I would imagine not very high since Smith barely threw the ball.

Fat Elvis 03-23-2013 05:51 PM
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Originally Posted by jd1020 (Post 9524242)
I imagine Reid will count on him to throw the ball more than 5 yards down field.
In only seven games, Foles got 1,799 yards with a lower average yard/attempt, lower completion percentage, lower td/int ratio, and lower QB rating than Alex Smith.

I don't think a 4,000 to 4,500 yard season is out of the question for Alex next year given how much Andy likes to throw the ball.

Hammock Parties 03-23-2013 05:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Alex Smith Fan (Post 9524248)
actually you jackass, his wife is a former chargers cheer leader. You love to do research, research her before you open your filthy cock gobbler.
LMAO

Being a cheerleader and being a club slut are not mutually exclusive.

I'm sure that dirty whore ran into him at a club and he knocked her up.

jd1020 03-23-2013 05:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Fat Elvis (Post 9524265)
In only seven games, Foles got 1,799 yards with a lower average yard/attempt, lower completion percentage, lower td/int ratio, and lower QB rating than Alex Smith.

I don't think a 4,000 to 4,500 yard season is out of the question for Alex next year given how much Andy likes to throw the ball.
There's one thing Foles has that Smith doesn't... an arm.

Mav 03-23-2013 05:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Go to Hell (Post 9524268)
LMAO

Being a cheerleader and being a club slut are not mutually exclusive.

I'm sure that dirty whore ran into him at a club and he knocked her up.
or unlike you, hes just a good guy, who found a good wife? Impossible huh?

LOL. You sound jealous. Now, go find me some stats, stat boy.

Mav 03-23-2013 05:55 PM
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Originally Posted by jd1020 (Post 9524272)
There's one thing Foles has that Smith doesn't... an arm.
I think you should take a look at this, and specifically, take a look at the top 5 teams in the league in this stat.....

http://hosted.stats.com/fb/tmleaders...e=NFL&rank=231

Hammock Parties 03-23-2013 05:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Alex Smith Fan (Post 9524241)
He was SECOND in the league in yards per attempt.....

Something is wrong with your logic.
Do you actually watch 49ers games?

Alex Smith does not throw the ball down the field.

Quote:
Only 8.7 percent of his passes traveled 20+ yds.

Only Christian Ponder had a lower percentage.
And, to boot, he throws the ball short more than our previous shitbag QB.

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Alex Smith, % of throws under 10 yards, 2011/2012: 73.3%

Matt Cassel, % of throws under 10 yards, 2010: 64.4%

Mav 03-23-2013 06:01 PM
okay, so here are the top 20 in yards after catch qbs from last season.

Clay, i do not care about 2011. Its irrelevant. But, you should take a look at WHO is number one. That is VERY relevant.....

http://hosted.stats.com/fb/leaders.a...e=NFL&rank=230

tom brady threw for 4827 yards last year, with almost 2200 of those, BEING YAC YARDS. meaning his actually captain check down......

jd1020 03-23-2013 06:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Alex Smith Fan (Post 9524274)
I think you should take a look at this, and specifically, take a look at the top 5 teams in the league in this stat.....

http://hosted.stats.com/fb/tmleaders...e=NFL&rank=231
Is that suppose to prove something?

Teams that throw the ball more have more yards after catch than teams that dont?

WHO ****ING KNEW!!!!!!

Fat Elvis 03-23-2013 06:02 PM
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Originally Posted by patteeu (Post 9524247)
My expectation is Trent Green levels of team success with at least a playoff win or two. Anything short of that is failure IMO. Anything beyond that will be a pleasant surprise.

The reason I have slightly higher expectations for AS than what Trent Green produced is because AS has the benefit of a team that's on the rise whereas Trent Green was on an aging team that was trying to keep the window open as long as possible. I think the AFC West will be an easier division over the next few years than it was in the early 2000s too.
If Alex Smith can post Trent Green type numbers, we will have several shots at a Super Bowl. We actually have a defense this time around.

Hammock Parties 03-23-2013 06:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Alex Smith Fan (Post 9524281)
Clay, i do not care about 2011. Its irrelevant.
LMAO

LMAO

LMAO

We didn't trade for a QB based on an 8-game sample you dolt.

God you're pathetic.

HoneyBadger 03-23-2013 06:02 PM
We'll be trading Smith for Cassel in about 2 years.

Hammock Parties 03-23-2013 06:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Fat Elvis (Post 9524287)
If Alex Smith can post Trent Green type numbers
Alex Smith is not setting franchise records here, nor will he ever be #2 in the league in passing yards.

Fat Elvis 03-23-2013 06:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Alex Smith Fan (Post 9524281)
okay, so here are the top 20 in yards after catch qbs from last season.

Clay, i do not care about 2011. Its irrelevant. But, you should take a look at WHO is number one. That is VERY relevant.....

http://hosted.stats.com/fb/leaders.a...e=NFL&rank=230

tom brady threw for 4827 yards last year, with almost 2200 of those, BEING YAC YARDS. meaning his actually captain check down......
Brady knows where to put the ball so his recievers can get yards after the catch?

FringeNC 03-23-2013 06:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Fat Elvis (Post 9524265)
In only seven games, Foles got 1,799 yards with a lower average yard/attempt, lower completion percentage, lower td/int ratio, and lower QB rating than Alex Smith.

I don't think a 4,000 to 4,500 yard season is out of the question for Alex next year given how much Andy likes to throw the ball.
Yep. Andy Reid is not bringing in Alex Smith to be a game manager. Simple point, but for some reason, controversial.

Mav 03-23-2013 06:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Fat Elvis (Post 9524293)
Brady knows where to put the ball so his recievers can get yards after the catch?
or whats more likely for anyone that has watched a Pats game, that the majority of their passes to wes welker, are quick slants or wr screens. or quick outs to hernandez. Point being that putting the ball in your play makers hands, like alex smith did with michael crabtree last year, is actually a GOOD thing. Not a negative......

Mr. Laz 03-23-2013 06:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Alex Smith Fan (Post 9524281)
Clay...
:hmmm:

Mav 03-23-2013 06:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Go to Hell (Post 9524290)
LMAO

LMAO

LMAO

We didn't trade for a QB based on an 8-game sample you dolt.

God you're pathetic.
Nope. Im not the dolt here. I said 2011 is irrelevant. i didnt say it was irrelevant because 2012 was better, which it was, i said 2011 is irrelevant, because andy reid has liked alex smith since he was drafted, and it has been stated on this forum that he has been trying to trade for him for YEARS. 2011, is most irrelevant though, because of the LOCKOUT, and the crap show at receiver the 49ers had. Any time your BEST play maker says i didnt understand the play book, (vernon davis) until week 10!!!! that is a reason to deem it irrelevant. But, then again, to myopic people who dont understand team chemistry, and the chemistry between a receiver, and his qb, are going to think this is just an excuse.

That may be true, but if thats the case, why was tom brady pissed that wes welker left? He can do that with anyone, Right?????

Hammock Parties 03-23-2013 06:16 PM
Let me guess...only 2012 is relevant...because he would have thrown 26 TDs if you project out those 8 games! OMG!

DaFace 03-23-2013 06:16 PM
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Originally Posted by patteeu (Post 9524247)
My expectation is Trent Green levels of team success with at least a playoff win or two. Anything short of that is failure IMO. Anything beyond that will be a pleasant surprise.

The reason I have slightly higher expectations for AS than what Trent Green produced is because AS has the benefit of a team that's on the rise whereas Trent Green was on an aging team that was trying to keep the window open as long as possible. I think the AFC West will be an easier division over the next few years than it was in the early 2000s too.
That's about where I'm at. My hope is that we also groom someone underneath him so that if he doesn't get there, we've got another option (unlike the hodgepodge of awful QB's we had after Trent went down).

Mav 03-23-2013 06:17 PM
so, when i get called for bullshit about vernon davis....

here is the article....

http://www.examiner.com/article/49er...-he-wants-more

Mav 03-23-2013 06:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Go to Hell (Post 9524332)
Let me guess...only 2012 is relevant...because he would have thrown 26 TDs if you project out those 8 games! OMG!
No, the stats themselves are mostly irrelevant, because that is who andy reid wanted. I dont buy into the stats at all with alex smith, because he is only going to do what his coaches tell him to do. There is no maverick in him, no ability to create on his own. Hes going to do whatever andy tells him to do. The same that he did with Nolan, singletary, and Jim. Hes the perfect soldier that way.

The stats with alex smith, are the biggest misleader out there. I dont get why that is such a hard concept for people to grasp.

splatbass 03-23-2013 06:25 PM
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Originally Posted by keg in kc (Post 9524206)
I think you underestimate the power of winning.

This forum (well no forum) has never really existed in a time where the team was consistently successful. 2002-2003 would be the closest.

The rest of the time, this team's been crap. When we were all on the star board in '99 and '00 bitching about Gunther and Grbac, it was crap. When Vermeil came in 2001 it was still crap. In 2002 and 2003 it was great on offense, but complete crap on defense. And was crap thereafter until this day, basically.

They haven't won a playoff game since the 1993 season. Think about that.

Has there ever been any sizable online environment where the Chiefs were good?

That has to color everything in some way or another. Imagine four years from now, in this fantasy world where Alex Smith is Joe Montana reborn, we're winning playoff games and making superbowls.

Do you *really* think that wouldn't have an impact on the fanbase? On this forum? That people wouldn't enjoy that more than bitching and moaning? Or even being "right" in this anonymous online world?

I think that's probably why there's so much bitching and moaning. Because people want to win so badly.
I hope you are right. I think the poll in the negativity thread proves that the vast majority of people are at least hopeful, and the negative are in a small minority. But it is hard to tell that from reading the threads here, as the negative people dominate every discussion with doom and gloom making it seem like they are the majority. I think if I really looked I would see that it is mainly the same 10-15 people, but it sure seems like more sometimes.

splatbass 03-23-2013 06:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Fat Elvis (Post 9524287)
If Alex Smith can post Trent Green type numbers, we will have several shots at a Super Bowl. We actually have a defense this time around.
This.

splatbass 03-23-2013 06:34 PM
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Originally Posted by DaFace (Post 9524333)
That's about where I'm at. My hope is that we also groom someone underneath him so that if he doesn't get there, we've got another option (unlike the hodgepodge of awful QB's we had after Trent went down).
They are trying to trade down AND trade Albert for picks. They apparently want as many picks as possible in the 1st and 2nd. It seems likely that they have a QB they like that they think will be available with one of those picks. I hope so anyway.

jd1020 03-23-2013 06:37 PM
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Originally Posted by splatbass (Post 9524380)
They are trying to trade down AND trade Albert for picks. They apparently want as many picks as possible in the 1st and 2nd. It seems likely that they have a QB they like that they think will be available with one of those picks. I hope so anyway.
Reid has already announced that Smith is the starter and Daniel is #2. They aren't going to draft a QB early to sit him on the inactive list.

splatbass 03-23-2013 06:42 PM
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Originally Posted by jd1020 (Post 9524385)
Reid has already announced that Smith is the starter and Daniel is #2. They aren't going to draft a QB early to sit him on the inactive list.
You don't know that. There is no Luck or RGIII this year. They may think that all of the QBs in this draft need a year or two before they can play in the NFL. And if they have the luxury of doing that, why not? It is what Reid intended to do with Foles last year before Vick was injured.

jd1020 03-23-2013 06:43 PM
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Originally Posted by splatbass (Post 9524400)
You don't know that. There is no Luck or RGIII this year. They may think that all of the QBs in this draft need a year or two before they can play in the NFL. And if they have the luxury of doing that, why not? It is what Reid intended to do with Foles last year before Vick was injured.
Was Foles #3 on the depth chart?

keg in kc 03-23-2013 06:53 PM
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Originally Posted by FringeNC (Post 9524309)
Yep. Andy Reid is not bringing in Alex Smith to be a game manager. Simple point, but for some reason, controversial.
The point isn't controversial at all. Alex Smith's capacity to be more than a game manager is what's in contention.

keg in kc 03-23-2013 06:56 PM
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Originally Posted by splatbass (Post 9524360)
I hope you are right. I think the poll in the negativity thread proves that the vast majority of people are at least hopeful, and the negative are in a small minority. But it is hard to tell that from reading the threads here, as the negative people dominate every discussion with doom and gloom making it seem like they are the majority. I think if I really looked I would see that it is mainly the same 10-15 people, but it sure seems like more sometimes.
I think that's largely a matter of perception and what horse you're betting on. On my side of the fence I feel like it's very difficult to say anything even remotely critical of Alex Smith or Andy Reid because regardless of what it is or how much you explain your position you automatically get lumped in as bitching-and-moaning. Similar to how other people feel like they get called homers when they're positive.

It eventually hits a point where I stop caring about people's reactions and begin ignoring a lot of replies or even entire threads. Which isn't really a productive thing on a forum for discussion.

splatbass 03-23-2013 07:01 PM
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Originally Posted by jd1020 (Post 9524404)
Was Foles #3 on the depth chart?
No, but that isn't really the point. Things aren't as rigid and black and white in real life as you make them out to be.

jd1020 03-23-2013 07:02 PM
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Originally Posted by splatbass (Post 9524426)
No, but that isn't really the point. Things aren't as rigid and black and white in real life as you make them out to be.
Keep holding on to that hope!

splatbass 03-23-2013 07:02 PM
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Originally Posted by keg in kc (Post 9524414)
The point isn't controversial at all. Alex Smith's capacity to be more than a game manager is what's in contention.
And we will all see in time.

splatbass 03-23-2013 07:03 PM
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Originally Posted by jd1020 (Post 9524428)
Keep holding on to that hope!
Better than wallowing in doom and gloom. You must be miserable.

jd1020 03-23-2013 07:05 PM
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Originally Posted by splatbass (Post 9524433)
Better than wallowing in doom and gloom. You must be miserable.
Actually I'm just fine, thanks.

I know not to get upset when the certainty of the Chiefs not drafting a QB in the 1st or 2nd becomes reality.

splatbass 03-23-2013 07:05 PM
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Originally Posted by keg in kc (Post 9524419)
I think that's largely a matter of perception and what horse you're betting on. On my side of the fence I feel like it's very difficult to say anything even remotely critical of Alex Smith or Andy Reid because regardless of what it is or how much you explain your position you automatically get lumped in as bitching-and-moaning. Similar to how other people feel like they get called homers when they're positive.

It eventually hits a point where I stop caring about people's reactions and begin ignoring a lot of replies or even entire threads. Which isn't really a productive thing on a forum for discussion.
I see both sides of the fence, and while you have been reasonable few others on your side have. Most on "my" side have been reasonable until attacked.

splatbass 03-23-2013 07:07 PM
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Originally Posted by jd1020 (Post 9524438)
Actually I'm just fine, thanks.

I know not to get upset when the certainty of the Chiefs not drafting a QB in the 1st or 2nd becomes reality.
I'm glad you are certain about something that is NOT in any way certain. No one outside of the FO knows who they plan on drafting.

jd1020 03-23-2013 07:08 PM
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Originally Posted by splatbass (Post 9524440)
I'm glad you are certain about something that is NOT in any way certain. No one outside of the FO knows who they plan on drafting.
Well I'm sure that their first order of business is to get a #3 QB.

splatbass 03-23-2013 07:22 PM
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Originally Posted by jd1020 (Post 9524442)
Well I'm sure that their first order of business is to get a #3 QB.
#3 this year doesn't mean always #3. You have to think long term, not just right now.

Note that they haven't signed a #3 and haven't named Stanzi #3. Where do you think they will get #3?

jd1020 03-23-2013 07:23 PM
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Originally Posted by splatbass (Post 9524454)
#3 this year doesn't mean always #3. You have to think long term, not just right now.
And you have to think intelligently and realize no one is going to draft a QB in the first or 2nd round to not even suit up on Sundays.

But don't let me stop you from keeping your eyes closed.

keg in kc 03-23-2013 08:30 PM
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Originally Posted by splatbass (Post 9524454)
#3 this year doesn't mean always #3. You have to think long term, not just right now.

Note that they haven't signed a #3 and haven't named Stanzi #3. Where do you think they will get #3?
The same way they got Stanzi. 5th, 6th or 7th round.

Kaepernick 03-23-2013 09:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Go to Hell (Post 9524217)
looks like a dirty slut

no doubt a former club whore. Alex loved them.
Close. Raiderette.

DonTellMeShowMe 03-23-2013 09:36 PM
http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m5...810go1_400.jpg

Tombstone RJ 03-23-2013 09:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Mr. Laz (Post 9524028)
it makes sense, you just don't agree ... which is fine.
yah, because it's wrong. Got any proof this is a weak draft for LT? From what I've seen it's considered as good a possible draft for tackles as 2008.

Bump 03-23-2013 09:42 PM
I expect Alex Smith to be a slightly better version of Matt Cassel. But that's like saying one type of herpes is better than the other type.

Deberg_1990 03-23-2013 09:48 PM
Think he goes into the Hall as a Niner or Chief?

Tombstone RJ 03-23-2013 09:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Deberg_1990 (Post 9524762)
Think he goes into the Hall as a Niner or Chief?
he's going in as a kcc homey... first ballot, lock it up.

BossChief 03-23-2013 10:14 PM
Seriously...the expectations should be a playoff game.

Trading what amounts to a mid/late first for a 29 year old quarterback that will make 20 million over the next two years ABSOLUTELY HAS TO LEAD US TO THE PLAYOFFS.

ESPECIALLY after we spent what we did in free agency.

This team has 7 probowl talents on it (Flowers was the next alternate) and a handful of other high quality players to go along with the 7 or 8 quality guys we added in free agency.

You don't trade a first round pick for a quarterback and pay him 10 million per year to get you to 6-10 or 7-9.

hometeam 03-23-2013 10:16 PM
My expectations are that he is gonna pretty much suck ass.

RunKC 03-23-2013 10:18 PM
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Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 9524817)
Seriously...the expectations should be a playoff game.

Trading what amounts to a mid/late first for a 29 year old quarterback that will make 20 million over the next two years ABSOLUTELY HAS TO LEAD US TO THE PLAYOFFS.

ESPECIALLY after we spent what we did in free agency.

This team has 7 probowl talents on it (Flowers was the next alternate) and a handful of other high quality players to go along with the 7 or 8 quality guys we added in free agency.

You don't trade a first round pick for a quarterback and pay him 10 million per year to get you to 6-10 or 7-9.
I think that's their plan, but it's probably going to take longer than 1 year.

We gave up a lot more for Trent Green and he wasn't good his first year.

We're the worst team in the NFL right now. It's never easy to get to the playoffs after doing finishing last.

keg in kc 03-23-2013 10:27 PM
Trading for Alex Smith is a 'win now' move, and they're having minimal turnover on the roster (looks like Dorsey and Albert may be the only quality starters they lose). That tells us that this is not at all a rebuild situation like 2001 or 2009, that they believe in the players on this roster and that they believe a change in coaching will make the difference. There's no reason to give a year leeway to this group.

Tombstone RJ 03-23-2013 10:28 PM
here's what's gonna happen fellas--if kc has a good draft expectations will again be high because, well, a good draft just does that to fans. If kc has a moderate to crappy draft then game over, you all will be freaking out.

Let's pretend kc has a good draft, then comes tc and preseason. This is where kc always wins the SB. You all will be happy as pigs in shit. kc will almost assuredly do well in preseason because, well, they just will.

Let's pretend kc has crappy to partly crappy draft, then tc comes and then preseason. If kc does ok in preseason some of you will be back on board, but the majority of you will reserve judgement or flat out crap fire until the real season.

as for the regular season, as I said in another post, I have no idea what to expect. If kc has a good draft IMHO then kc will have a shot to at the very least win a few more games than last year, but who knows...

keg in kc 03-23-2013 10:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Tombstone RJ (Post 9524860)
Let's pretend kc has a good draft, then comes tc and preseason. This is where kc always wins the SB. You all will be happy as pigs in shit. kc will almost assuredly do well in preseason because, well, they just will.
For somebody with a 2003 join date, it sure doesn't sound like you know this place very well.

splatbass 03-23-2013 10:31 PM
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Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 9524817)
Seriously...the expectations should be a playoff game.

Trading what amounts to a mid/late first for a 29 year old quarterback that will make 20 million over the next two years ABSOLUTELY HAS TO LEAD US TO THE PLAYOFFS.

ESPECIALLY after we spent what we did in free agency.

This team has 7 probowl talents on it (Flowers was the next alternate) and a handful of other high quality players to go along with the 7 or 8 quality guys we added in free agency.

You don't trade a first round pick for a quarterback and pay him 10 million per year to get you to 6-10 or 7-9.
It is rare to go from 2-14 to the playoffs in one year, no matter who your QB is. You are unrealistic.

hometeam 03-23-2013 10:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Tombstone RJ (Post 9524860)
here's what's gonna happen fellas--if kc has a good draft expectations will again be high because, well, a good draft just does that to fans. If kc has a moderate to crappy draft then game over, you all will be freaking out.

Let's pretend kc has a good draft, then comes tc and preseason. This is where kc always wins the SB. You all will be happy as pigs in shit. kc will almost assuredly do well in preseason because, well, they just will.

Let's pretend kc has crappy to partly crappy draft, then tc comes and then preseason. If kc does ok in preseason some of you will be back on board, but the majority of you will reserve judgement or flat out crap fire until the real season.

as for the regular season, as I said in another post, I have no idea what to expect. If kc has a good draft IMHO then kc will have a shot to at the very least win a few more games than last year, but who knows...

http://awesomegifs.com/wp-content/up...n-c-reiley.gif

Tombstone RJ 03-23-2013 10:33 PM
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Originally Posted by keg in kc (Post 9524865)
For somebody with a 2003 join date, it sure doesn't sound like you know this place very well.
hmm, well, maybe it's the kc fans over on the omane that have high expectations and not this place. However, as you've noticed, I've had the pleasure of lurking around and posting on cp for a long time and I do think I know this place pretty well but we shall see...

splatbass 03-23-2013 10:33 PM
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Originally Posted by keg in kc (Post 9524856)
Trading for Alex Smith is a 'win now' move, and they're having minimal turnover on the roster (looks like Dorsey and Albert may be the only quality starters they lose). That tells us that this is not at all a rebuild situation like 2001 or 2009, that they believe in the players on this roster and that they believe a change in coaching will make the difference. There's no reason to give a year leeway to this group.
Of course there is. It is just not reasonable to expect the playoffs the year after 2-14 - especially with almost all the same players.

Tombstone RJ 03-23-2013 10:34 PM
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Originally Posted by hometeam (Post 9524870)
can't see it...

DeezNutz 03-23-2013 10:35 PM
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Originally Posted by splatbass (Post 9524868)
It is rare to go from 2-14 to the playoffs in one year, no matter who your QB is. You are unrealistic.
Then the trade is even dumber than some initially suggested.

This regime and Alex Smith get no "evaluation year." Why? The overall record was disproportionately low because the coaching and managements situations were abysmal, and the QB play was ****ing awful.

Allegedly, these issues have been resolved. So now it's time to win or GTFO.

Playoffs.

O.city 03-23-2013 10:45 PM
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Originally Posted by splatbass (Post 9524868)
It is rare to go from 2-14 to the playoffs in one year, no matter who your QB is. You are unrealistic.
You yourself said we weren't a normal 2-14 team, so which is it?

keg in kc 03-23-2013 10:50 PM
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Originally Posted by splatbass (Post 9524874)
Of course there is. It is just not reasonable to expect the playoffs the year after 2-14 - especially with almost all the same players.
The Colts made the playoffs last year after a 2-14 season in 2011. Improved by 9 wins. Should we expect less from seasoned vet Alex Smith than we saw from rookie Andrew Luck?

BossChief 03-23-2013 10:59 PM
You don't trade what equates to a first round pick for a 29 year old quarterback you intend to pay 10 million per year to... to win 7 or 8 games.

When you trade a first round pick for a 29 year old ANYTHING in football, you need to EXPECT immediate results.

If it's gonna take a year to get up to speed, then what is gonna be the next argument against just taking a quarterback first overall with intentions of sitting him for a year?

Can anyone answer me that?

Jonny Thunder 03-23-2013 11:01 PM
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Originally Posted by loochy (Post 9524029)
Coaching matters SOME. But good players will shine SOME through the adversity of a bad coach. Mediocre to bad players just drift with the flow - like Smith.
Coaching matters a lot. It's assignment football. Do you know why the Niners came away losers in the Super Bowl? Because coaching called for 4 straight throwing plays when they had a first down and goal on the 5 yard line when they had Frank Gore and Delainie Walker. Lots of other examples.

BossChief 03-23-2013 11:05 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by splatbass (Post 9524874)
Of course there is. It is just not reasonable to expect the playoffs the year after 2-14 - especially with almost all the same players.
Teams that add a quality quarterback turn things around almost immediately.

Dalton
Wilson
Ryan
Rothlisberger
Brady
RG3
Luck
Flacco

I could go on....

Shit, shouldn't going from Romeo to Reid give us 2-3 wins?

We just dropped a ****ton of cash in free agency...that should get us a win or 2, right?

Adding a 29 year old "franchise quarterback" (which is consistent with the compensation that was given up) to this equation makes anything less than a playoff birth a complete and total failure.

Ming the Merciless 03-23-2013 11:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Jonny Thunder (Post 9524923)
Do you know why the Niners came away losers in the Super Bowl? Because coaching called for 4 straight throwing plays
They're called pass plays you vaguely gay scrot lick

No one cares what you think anyway so just shut the **** up

Jonny Thunder 03-23-2013 11:07 PM
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Originally Posted by keg in kc (Post 9524856)
Trading for Alex Smith is a 'win now' move, and they're having minimal turnover on the roster (looks like Dorsey and Albert may be the only quality starters they lose). That tells us that this is not at all a rebuild situation like 2001 or 2009, that they believe in the players on this roster and that they believe a change in coaching will make the difference. There's no reason to give a year leeway to this group.
I think this is a right now plan and team. I expect Alex to do far better than the beer can cynics on this forum. And as someone has already commented, I think he will elevate the play of others. I guarantee he will be news when practice begins for that very thing. That's one of his strengths.

It's what I believe.

DeezNutz 03-23-2013 11:09 PM
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Originally Posted by keg in kc (Post 9524907)
The Colts made the playoffs last year after a 2-14 season in 2011. Improved by 9 wins. Should we expect less from seasoned vet Alex Smith than we saw from rookie Andrew Luck?
Well, Luck was talent that was worthy of being selected 1/1, so this is...

Nightfyre 03-23-2013 11:11 PM
Then you have not been listening to the cynics at all. The cynics (such as myself) recognize that Alex Smith will play us straight to first-round playoff exit mediocrity. And then we will never again be in position to draft a franchise QB who can actually take us to the dance.

O.city 03-23-2013 11:13 PM
Given the coaching staff and talent, I'd say 9 or 10 wins. Our arrow is pointing up!

splatbass 03-23-2013 11:13 PM
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Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 9524879)
Then the trade is even dumber than some initially suggested.

This regime and Alex Smith get no "evaluation year." Why? The overall record was disproportionately low because the coaching and managements situations were abysmal, and the QB play was ****ing awful.

Allegedly, these issues have been resolved. So now it's time to win or GTFO.

Playoffs.
You are setting the bar unreasonably high so you can say "I told you so". I see right through you.

Ming the Merciless 03-23-2013 11:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Jonny Thunder (Post 9524935)
bear can cynics on this forum.
It's what I believe.
http://i249.photobucket.com/albums/g...ert-bears2.jpg

Chiefshrink 03-23-2013 11:15 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by keg in kc (Post 9524907)
The Colts made the playoffs last year after a 2-14 season in 2011. Improved by 9 wins. Should we expect less from seasoned vet Alex Smith than we saw from rookie Andrew Luck?
SPANK !!!!!:thumb:

BossChief 03-23-2013 11:17 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by splatbass (Post 9524952)
You are setting the bar unreasonably high so you can say "I told you so". I see right through you.
No, we're not.

Developmental years are for draft picks, not 29 year old players that you trade first round picks for and pay 10 million a year on.

This team will go as far as Alex Smith takes it. The rest of this team is pretty talented.

Valiant 03-23-2013 11:18 PM
Slightly better then Cassel all things for the Chiefs, wins and stats..

Wins will come from us LJing JC carries..


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