Originally Posted by Bowser (Post 9415603)

What exactly are they similar with? Height?

Originally Posted by Mr. Laz (Post 9413467)

I think Geno's arm is much better than Bradford's ... but that's just me.

Originally Posted by BWillie (Post 9415546)

Exactly. Very similar to Sam Bradford, which is the very reason I don't want to draft him #1.

Originally Posted by silver5liter (Post 9415722)

Bucky on 610 right now, says if he had the first pick he would take geno and in his experience with Reid he believes he will pick him too

Originally Posted by silver5liter (Post 9415722)

Bucky on 610 right now, says if he had the first pick he would take geno and in his experience with Reid he believes he will pick him too

Originally Posted by Sweet Dick Willie (Post 9415653)

Skin color.
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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 9415728)

Bradford is Native American

Originally Posted by Detoxing (Post 9415736)

Barely.

I always thought it was funny when white kids would try to identify as something other than white.

"Yeah, im 1/8th Blackfoot"

"Man....you're white...deal with it"

Originally Posted by Detoxing (Post 9415736)

Barely.

I always thought it was funny when white kids would try to identify as something other than white.

"Yeah, im 1/8th Blackfoot"

"Man....you're white...deal with it"

Originally Posted by silver5liter (Post 9415722)

Bucky on 610 right now, says if he had the first pick he would take geno and in his experience with Reid he believes he will pick him too

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 9415744)

I have a friend that's 1/8th Mexican, which qualified him for a scholarship towards his Master's Degree.

Originally Posted by B14ckmon (Post 9415742)

Well if you were 1/8th NA, that would mean one of your great grandparents was full blooded. Which would still make you more NA than most. I think with Bradford it's his great great.

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 9415744)

I have a friend that's 1/8th Mexican, which qualified him for a scholarship towards his Master's Degree.

Originally Posted by Detoxing (Post 9415754)

Yeah, it's his "great-great" making him 1/16th Native American. I understand that he gets the right to call himself NA, like Dane pointed out, but still.....c'mon....dude is white.

Originally Posted by silver5liter (Post 9415722)

Bucky on 610 right now, says if he had the first pick he would take geno and in his experience with Reid he believes he will pick him too

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 9415728)

Bradford is Native American

Originally Posted by silver5liter (Post 9415722)

Bucky on 610 right now, says if he had the first pick he would take geno and in his experience with Reid he believes he will pick him too

Originally Posted by Detoxing (Post 9415754)

Yeah, it's his "great-great" making him 1/16th Native American. I understand that he gets the right to call himself NA, like Dane pointed out, but still.....c'mon....dude is white.

Originally Posted by keg in kc (Post 9415870)

I'm 1/16th cherokee. It ain't enough to make me native american. I'm also so white that I'm basically transparent.

Originally Posted by Detoxing (Post 9415882)

Well, you have the same amount of Cherokee in you that Sam Bradford does....

Originally Posted by silver5liter (Post 9415895)

I dont get all of this bradford hate. The guy has had nothing but shit to work with and nothing but shit coaches until this year. He was actually pretty decent this year. I expect him to be pretty good next year.

Originally Posted by keg in kc (Post 9415870)

I'm 1/16th cherokee. It ain't enough to make me native american. I'm also so white that I'm basically transparent.

Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 9415910)

Am I the only one that cant get the Geno thread to load?

It gets to post 3208 on my laptop and ipad and wont go any further.

Originally Posted by silver5liter (Post 9415919)

Yep, mines been doing it since last night.

Originally Posted by B14ckmon (Post 9415925)

You could just click on the last page.

Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 9415910)

Am I the only one that cant get the Geno thread to load?

It gets to post 3208 on my laptop and ipad and wont go any further.

Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 9415941)

Ive done all that...I even hit the "view last unread post" and it does nothing...I even replied and thats why a post says "test"

nothing.

Not on my iphone, ipad or laptop.

It freezes at 3208.

Blackmon, can you delete post 3208?

Originally Posted by Bowser (Post 9415959)

How many posts per page do you view? I'm lazy and have never changed it from 15, so I just clicked on the 215th page of posts.

Originally Posted by Bowser (Post 9415959)

How many posts per page do you view? I'm lazy and have never changed it from 15, so I just clicked on the 215th page of posts.

Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 9415974)

Holy shit, how do you follow that?

I have mine set on FIFTY.

Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 9415974)

Holy shit, how do you follow that?

I have mine set on FIFTY.

Originally Posted by Ebolapox (Post 9415979)

holy shit, I HAVE THE SAME ****ING PROBLEM. jesus.

Originally Posted by silver5liter (Post 9415722)

Bucky on 610 right now, says if he had the first pick he would take geno and in his experience with Reid he believes he will pick him too

Originally Posted by Mr. Laz (Post 9416004)

you'll start to see a bandwagon develop


by the time the draft rolls around both Geno and Tyler will be projected top 10.


jmo

Originally Posted by Mr. Laz (Post 9416004)

you'll start to see a bandwagon develop


by the time the draft rolls around both Geno and Tyler will be projected top 10.


jmo

Originally Posted by Detoxing (Post 9415976)

**** that. That's too much.

I prefer short and simple pages.

Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 9416022)

Dude, some threads move so fast that you could literally miss a half dozen posts in MY setup, let alone yours.

:eek:

Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 9416022)

Dude, some threads move so fast that you could literally miss a half dozen posts in MY setup, let alone yours.

:eek:

Originally Posted by scott free (Post 9416059)

This read comes off pretty well for Glennon, whats not to love about elite arm talent? can he be coached out of the turnovers?

Most of what i've read around this place hates the guy, but why is that? a tall kid with a cannon arm? that doesnt sound too bad.

Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 9416068)

He's the definition of streaky.

His arm is so strong that he routinely throws 10-yard outs in the dirt, 8 yards in front of the receiver.

His accuracy in the 10-30 range is extremely suspect.

Originally Posted by scott free (Post 9416078)

So his arm isnt as great as advertised and he has accuracy issues, that is a problem.

Originally Posted by scott free (Post 9416078)

So his arm isnt as great as advertised and he has accuracy issues, that is a problem.

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 9416086)

Accuracy is something most coaches will tell you cannot be fixed.

Either you're accurate with the ball or your not. Troy Aikman's biggest attribute coming into the NFL was his accuracy. Same with Joe Montana.

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 7457593)

Yup, Kaepernick is the guy I want, especially with Zorn around now.

I know, it's a stupidy 'sexy' pick that fails more often than it succeeds. At the same time, that kid has every single tool you could ever want in a player. His teammates loved him and he has a damn cannon. With his mobility, size and strength, he's a wet dream if you can iron out the kinks.

And an interesting wrinkle to him that I'm coming up with on the fly here. There was a lot of interest in him as a pitcher going into college, correct? The throwing motion for a pitcher and a quarterback are two very different animals. In fact, the throwing motion for a pitcher and him in particular are very dissimilar. What that tells me is that his throwing motion as a quarterback is learned, rather than a product of raw biomechanics. I think Tebow throws the way he does because his body almost requires it, ditto a guy like Vince Young or Tim Lincecum. Sometimes your biomechanics dictate your throwing technique, I don't think that's the case with Kaepernick.

So I think you could really refine that quirky motion of his. His arm has shown that it's capable of slinging multiple types of balls using several different throwing motions. That tells me he can both change to a more conventional throwing style AND that, when a play goes to hell, even if he falls back to old habits on that play, the throw itself will still be decent as his arm has been conditioned to multiple angles.

Disclaimer: Every single thing I wrote above could be bullshit and has not been subject to any sort of testing, either empirical or even a PS3. I just really like the guy and I'm trying to come up with more reasons to like him.

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 9416084)

His arm's pretty damn good. He doesn't spike them into feet because his arm is weak, he spikes them into feet because his mechanics are wonky.

He's a 'lanky' tall, which makes for an odd mis-mash of moving parts and a delivery that's not the most repeatable. As a consequence of an erratic delivery, he doesn't always know where the ball's going (but by God, it gets there fast).

He's the kind of kid that could grow into his size and become a decent passer with some coaching. But he's just not a very good athlete so I don't have much confidence in him ever truly growing into that length and developing that repeatable delivery that would allow him to improve his accuracy enough to be a legitimately good starting QB.

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 9416086)

Accuracy is something most coaches will tell you cannot be fixed.

Either you're accurate with the ball or your not. Troy Aikman's biggest attribute coming into the NFL was his accuracy. Same with Joe Montana.

Originally Posted by GoWalrus (Post 9416123)

The Glennon GIF that keeps on giving.

http://i.imgur.com/auJWPju.gif

Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 9416128)

That's a PERFECT example.

The ball comes out perfectly, has nice velocity and trajectory, and yet somehow it just ends up in the absolute WRONG place.

Originally Posted by Bo's Pelini (Post 9416202)

It can be coached. Glennon will be a fine QB.

Originally Posted by ct (Post 9415572)

Moving down to #6 (traded again to Dallas for #14 DT Michael Brockers and #45, traded again to Bears for #50 RB Isaiah Pead, outplayed by 7th round RB Daryl Washington, and #150 OT Watkins, whom I know nothing about)

Originally Posted by jspchief (Post 9414742)

Bradfords NFL shortcomings:
1. Plays poorly under QB pressure. Kind of goes back to #2 above. As good as his OU line was, his STL line has been bad. He's still learning to make plays under pursuit.
2.Durability? As others have said, he seems to always have something wrong with him.
3. What else?

Overall it seems that some of the pre draft concerns have been justified. It's also clear that he's played behind a bad line with limited weapons to throw to. If I'm a Rams fan, I would have expected better but certainly wouldn't be ready to flush.

Originally Posted by AJ Young (Post 9424772)

Ultimately, the decision to draft Joeckel or Smith boils down to fundamental draft philosophy: draft for a need or draft the best player available?

The below article discussed the different directions KC can go in and provides some interesting food for thought:

downattheone.com/features

Should we draft for the future or gamble on a need?

Originally Posted by AJ Young (Post 9424772)

Ultimately, the decision to draft Joeckel or Smith boils down to fundamental draft philosophy: draft for a need or draft the best player available?

The below article discussed the different directions KC can go in and provides some interesting food for thought:

downattheone.com/features

Should we draft for the future or gamble on a need?

Originally Posted by GoWalrus (Post 9416535)

Matt Cassel is proof that accuracy CANNOT be coached.

Ask Haley, Weis, Zorn and Daboll.

Originally Posted by Messier (Post 9424792)

I think he's more proof that arm strength can't be coached.

Originally Posted by AJ Young (Post 9424772)

Ultimately, the decision to draft Joeckel or Smith boils down to fundamental draft philosophy: draft for a need or draft the best player available?

The below article discussed the different directions KC can go in and provides some interesting food for thought:

downattheone.com/features

Should we draft for the future or gamble on a need?

Originally Posted by RyFo18 (Post 9424778)

Food for thought. Flynn got a 3 yr/$19.5M contract to sit on the bench. Luck got a 4/$22M as the #1 overall last year. This isn't the days of Bradford where he was going to get a ridiculous $50M guaranteed. You can afford to draft for a need b/c the financial commitment is so minimal.

Originally Posted by AJ Young (Post 9424772)

Ultimately, the decision to draft Joeckel or Smith boils down to fundamental draft philosophy: draft for a need or draft the best player available?

The below article discussed the different directions KC can go in and provides some interesting food for thought:

downattheone.com/features

Should we draft for the future or gamble on a need?

Originally Posted by Reaper16 (Post 9424825)

You mean, should we gamble on Joeckel being a piece for the future or gamble on Smith being a piece for both the present and the future? It's a gamble either way. No bet is safer than the other, but one bet sure does have a better return.

Originally Posted by patteeu (Post 9424827)

That's true, but there's an opportunity cost involved too.

Originally Posted by patteeu (Post 9424830)

They're both gambles, but it only seems like they're equal gambles when you don't have the ability or inclination to evaluate NFL-quality talent. That's not an insult. That's a description that covers everyone here, IMO.