lol-your a pretty cool dude. I think the Faders getting screwed was the best. I was glad the Pats beat the Rams too and Mike Fartz. I was even glad they beat the Eagles-I picked them!! Won some cash thank you. I wouldn't have been able to stand it to hear about TO having a ring., I hope that co$cksucker never gets one. Mcflabb has always been overrated too. So I have been rooting for ya., but do you have to come on here with the Land of the Champions crap-bit of overkill. We are not evens legit rivals and havn't won a playoff game since......................Lets see the Oilers-dang that is sad. No you deserve to be happy, shit if the Chiefs ever win, it will look like Detroit-we will be burning cars for sure!! Good luck to ya this year. Halfass

Halfcan = Halfwit? :hmmm:

Nah, it seems he just has a different style....

Man the name calling that is just brutal. You know people have feelings. Halfwit I mean Halfass I mean Halfcan

I onl,y choose that name because the cool ones like penguinz was taken.

Dude, you need to stop with that bullshit. Last year IN COLUMBIA, half of Mizzou "fans" all got up in the middle of 3rd and left when KU was beating you guys by like 10 points. Pathetic. This shit never happens in Lawrence, even though our team is usually the losing one. So shut the fuck up and sit the fuck down.

Is that style http://tinypic.com/a5b38m.gif ?

ROFL

Whine about the stupid tuck rule all you want (it is kind of a stupid rule), BUT it IS a rule. It's an official, honest-to-God rule, and he got the call right. The NFL agreed he got the call right.

We won't even mention that the stupid Raiduhs DB karate chopped Brady to the head to create the non-fumble, and wasn't called for that either.

Nor will we mention that the Raiduhs had plenty of chances to stop the Patriots or win the game AFTER the tuck rule was correctly called, but failed each time.

In short, the ruling on the field was correct, a penalty that should have been called on the Raiders was missed, and the Raiders failed to seal the deal when given the chance anyway.

And, as if all that weren't enough, even if ti was a blatantly wrong call (which ti was not) it's still nothing more than cosmic justice for when Ben Dreith screwed the Patriots with that ridiculous roughing the passer penalty back in '76.

That's what I thought, bitch.

Dang I am glad you got that off your chest-feel better? Now you can go argue on the thread that T Brady is the best Qb ever-lol
Halfcan

im still lingering. i'll be aorund checking you guys out. don't worry!

There is no way the Jets D stops our O.

I should create a username like "JetsFan" and start a thread like "Oh TrIIIIIIIIIIIIIIINNNNNNNNNNNT, meet your new friend". :)

It's "Trent."

If you're going to put INT in any QBs name, that's Plummer's. He rightfully owns the term. He patented it. He just let Green borrow it for one year, in 2001, when we had no WRs to throw to. We don't have great ones now, we have good ones. Back in 01, we had way below average WRs. Plummer has a number one WR, in Rod Smith, and he still leads the league in INTs. Trent doesn't have a number one WR, but he does have an abundance of weapons to throw to, unlike Plummer.

Trent Green is better than Jake Plummer.

I love it when people on the Mane say Trent Green is a product of the Oline...well...EVERY QB IS A PRODUCT OF THEIR OLINE!!! Trent is good, quit trying to nitpick reasons why he's not...other than he plays with the Chiefs. He's a top 5 QB, many would say. Plummer isn't even in the top 10.

Thanks, and goodnight. :)

Week 1 should be a great game -- that much I'm sure we all agree on. Both team's have some new personnel and we'll see how what we see on paper translates to the field.

I'll say right now that we will not shut down the KC offensive machine...does that mean we can't win the game? No.

I'm no more of an expert on the Chiefs as most of you guys are on the Jets. Point is that Neckdemon and most Jet fans eat, sleep, and breathe Jet football....same as you guys do with the Chiefs. And I can tell you that we have one helluva talented team. It will be a close game.

I'll be here win or lose.

We'll even do the Chiefs a favor and kick the shit out of San Diego and Oakland for you.

And anyone who thinks the Ty Law signing wasn't a good thing (for the Jets) needs to hook me up with a bowl of whatever they're smoking....puff, puff, pass.

This thread is classic...

I cant understand 1/2 of 1/2can's s*it... He is fighting against a Pats fan who is respected on this board who has all his facts straight and can back it up, LET IT GO 1/2can...

1/2can - I think its great that you are posting, but you need to start posting with logic/understandable words... Damn dude, it hurts to read your posts... great comments after re-reading them, but help me out...

ROFL - to a lot of the stuff said on here about Jets shutting down KC, I think we learned from our mistakes from last years slow start, Trent will have the boys ready...

My .02 - Night...

Welcome and good post... but TY LAW has not signed anything yet, as soon as he does you can talk like he has...

He will be good, I just dont think he will be effective and 100% until week 3 or 4

I still can't believe, after all these years, that he made that ****ed up call.

It took forever but at least they got their due.

Im just razzin' GoChiefs since the above proposed thread title is something very similar to what he has posted at the Mane several times when the Chiefs have acquired certain players or have been said by the media to be "close" to acquiring certain players.

Best of luck to you guys. :)

IMO, Ty Law will be a beast, and, naturally, will help out the Jets, probably more so during weeks 3-16 than 1-2, but he'll still be good on 9/11 (he wants to prove to the world that he is still the best). That, however, doesn't mean the Jets will shutdown our O. Anyhing can happen, and, like everybody has said, we are known to start out hella slow. We'll have to wait and see, I guess.

As far as being jealous about Ty...

I'm happy with Surtain, and I didn't want Law because it would put us in cap hell... so no, I'm nowhere near being jealous (and neither is anybody else here, I imagine). If we didn't get Surtain, though, naturally I'd want Law, but if I had to pick between the two right now, I'd still go with Surtain.

Jets fans should definately be happy, I remember how ecstatic I was when we signed Surtain... 'twas a good day.

Thanks for the welcome.

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Law had his physical was suited up for practice today --- not with 1st team D, but he ran conditioning drills. And I just ordered my Ty Law jersey from the NYJ official site. The Jets have a terrible record in closing deals with FA's but this is a done deal.

Good for you guys.

This goes back to the first few pages of this thread, and Im surprised that noone has even said it.


I hear all about how Jon McGraw is going to shut down Tony Gonzalez because he supposedly had a good game against Antonio Gates.


Ok, whatever. First of all, IN WHAT WORLD does Antonio Gates even compare to Tony Gonzalez???

Tony Gonzalez has been ripping the league to shreds for YEARS. Led the NFL with 102 receptions last year on a bad foot.

Gates has had ONE good year. When he puts together a nice string of seasons playing at the same level, then maybe you can mention him in the same breath as Tony Gonzalez. Until then, get out of my face with that BS about since someone can play with Gates, Gonzalez will be no problem.

As for McGraw "shutting down" Antonio Gates, I seem to remember that it was Gates who caught the game tying touchdown to force overtime after your idiot former Raider linebacker Eric Barton hammered Drew Brees with an elbow to the head late when the game would have been over on the previous play. Where was Mr Shutdown McGraw on that one?

I dont consider giving up the biggest play of the game to that point in a game tying touchdown to be shutting someone down.


Furthermore, I have a really hard time with anyone that thinks a team that spends its first round pick to aquire Doug Jolley from the Raiders and their 2nd round pick on a kicker doesnt have some front office issues.


At this point right now, your Jet secondary has NO chemistry whatsoever. Mickens, Abraham, and Tongue are all gone and are going to be replaced with a couple young guys and the still unproven Ty Law. If you think that chemistry doesnt mean anything, take a look at some previous Redskins offseason aquisitions, and the results of the season.

Its going to be a helluva task for those players in that secondary to come together and learn how one another handles each situation within a month before they go to Arrowhead stadium to face the league's best offense.


As for your offense, Your QB is only throwing once a day. I highly doubt that he will be back to his full strength by week one. Further, this is a brand new offense that they are implementing. I was checking out Inside Jets Training Camp on NFL Network, and Pennington was getting frustrated as hell with some of the mistakes he was making.

With a new offense, there is going to be a learning curve. When he gets to Arrowhead, he better have all his stuff together, because he wont be able to hear a damn thing.


The only constant thing that you guys have is Curtis Martin. If the Chiefs defense contains Curtis Martin, its over for Gang Green and the Chiefs will utterly destroy them at Arrowhead stadium.

Im saying Chiefs win 34-13.

HA! I didn't know you were old enough to remember that. That's an awesome reference. :clap:

Considering Green hasn't had a good first game of the season since never, Law will probably make some plays that get the Jets fans squawking (if he plays).

That being said, I think the Jets are a bit over-rated on D, and will have their hands full trying to stop our running game. Pennington's first trip to Arrowhead is going to leave a wet spot on his front and skid marks in the back, especially when you consider it's the home opener.

Yep. You have to circumvent the salary cap too. :thumb:

He has to learn a new scheme, get into football shape in less than a month when he hasn't practiced in over 10 months.

Color me un-scared. I would have liked Law, but I think we'll be just fine with Surtain.

If he can't perform like he has in the past he gets the vet minimum correct? If he does perform he gets his money. If he does perform hes worth it. Wheres the downside? The newsday reporter was on talk radio this am saying that there was no gauranteed money in the contract. if so...I don't understand why we didn't do this?:hmmm:

Well dammit well just have to use our unstoppable reciever tony gonzalez.... or maybe priest and our running game dammit but he will be shutting down eddie kennison thats pretty much for sure... unless he gets injured again then that would be nice ROFL

What?

Law said he wouldn't sign such a deal. In fact, Law said his agent got a rough number from someone (I think it was the Chiefs) that was $42M but only $10M guaranteed and he said he was pretty much insulted by that.

I agree, it's going to be midseason befor Law gives them any real benefits....

Thats what the newsday reporter said on the DA show this am. Not a single penny above the vet minimum gauranteed.

Then Law caved, just like I figured he would.

Damn that fugger...............

For Vet. minny, I would of liked to have him for late season and playoffs.

How the hell can that offer be better than what KC offered ? ( If we had offered him a contract, which CP claims didn't happen )

I think this is the thread where Law talks about the contract offer from KC.

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=119508

Sorry...forgot to post the thread.

Evidently King Carl ain't lying. We never offered a contract. You would have assumed it would have been better than the vet minimum?

BTW you former or current NY'ers...Is Newsday credible? Would this guy know details of the contract?

All the teams made him, he was too much of a ? mark with his health, still is for that matter.

The newsday guy thought that the Jets took a financial risk with LAw even at the vet minimum because the contract is for 5 years and he is gauranteed the vet minimum for those years so I guess if he never plays again they would be on the hook for 300k per year for 5 years.

I find it VERY hard to believe Ty would sign such a contract. Besides, I read somewhere last night that he would get around 6 mil in SB.

At long last, Law is on books for the Jets
By News Wire Reports
August 9, 2005

HEMPSTEAD, N.Y. - Ty Law stood on the sideline with his Jets helmet in his right hand and watched intently as his new teammates practiced.

Once a member of one of New York's biggest rivals, Law appeared right at home in his new green-and-white Jets uniform. "It was basically a dream come true," Law said Monday.

The four-time Pro Bowl cornerback agreed to a multiyear contract with the Jets after helping the New England Patriots win three Super Bowls during his 10 seasons with them.

"There is nothing else to prove as far as I'm concerned with New England," the 31-year-old Law said. "I had 10 great years and three championships there, so the proof is in the books. Now it's time to go into the new chapter in my life and prove to the Jets that I'm worth everything they are willing to put out for me."

The deal could be worth as much as $28.5 million for the first three years and as much as $50 million over seven years, agent Carl Poston said. The contract is laden with incentives and has options for both sides.
"I think this team is on the verge of doing something very special, and that's why I wanted to join them," Law said.

"There are certain guys that you just know are winners - they've got it in their eyes, they've got it in their hearts and they play with it on the field. Ty is one of those guys," running back Curtis Martin said. "I think anytime you add him to a team, you add an element that not too many people at his position can bring."

http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drm...988265,00.html

What do you expect the agent to say other than the deal "could be worth major bucks with incentives" or do you expect him to say I got my player the vet minimum but he will get paid if he proves it on the field.

Just trying to provide an update. No personal feelings about the deal one way or the other except that this hurts NE more than anyone else.

Watching ESPN last night, I saw the ticker scroll the fact that NY had signed Law and it took about 10 seconds to scroll through all the players they had to cut, I guess, to make room for Law's contract.

It was at least 8 guys.

as far as stats go, the '04 pre-injury Law had taken a step back http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/3820

I wanted them to do this. Vet minimum and icentives to get paid if he plays good. But I thought and most people thought that there was no way. He wanted millions in gauranteed money. And I didn't see us gambling like that once we got Surtain. We are already gambling that Bell will play all season. We are paying him full season money but may not get a full season out of the guy.

I don't remember where I heard it, but basically one of the incentives is if the Jets get to the Superbowl this year, he'll make about 6 million for this first year.

actually how do you liek this? law will just eliminate gonzalez from the game. that leaves us with 2 safeties, some quick linebackers, and 1-2 other cb's that can be used in any combination against your mediocre receivers or to stop ur running game. in other words, law gives us a million and one options. the beauty is that you can put him man to man with any of your receiving threats and he will systematically keep them in check for the game.

And, how many games last year did Law systematically keep receiving threats in check?


wait and see...

all i have to say is that ty law can shut down any of your receivers.

I hate to break it to you, but Law is one piece of a bigger defensive puzzle. If it were so easy to stop the chiefs offense, it wouldve been done a lot more frequently.

Law should fit in nicely with all the other big mouth new yorkers. Now they have him keeping TG without a catch-is he going to stand on a ladder-or jump 12 feet in the air. Can we talk about something important now, like the TO contract situation or the the state of mind of Ricky Williams. TL must be the most hyped, overrated, hurt player in the history of the NFL.
Halfcan

Wonder if Law will even be able to play a full season? :hmmm: Can't wait to see how he plays when the bullets start flying for real.

Pennington, Law won't play in Jets' preseason opener

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HEMPSTEAD, N.Y. - Quarterback Chad Pennington and newly signed cornerback Ty Law will not play in the New York Jets' preseason opener against the Detroit Lions on Friday.

Coach Herman Edwards said on Tuesday that he wants to be careful with both, who are coming off serious injuries and working themselves back into game shape.

"We didn't want to take a chance to have a setback when everything was going so well," Pennington said.

The star quarterback is recovering from a torn rotator cuff in his right shoulder that caused him to miss minicamp and offseason training. Pennington has generally been alternating between days off and participating in afternoon practices after throwing in each of the first five days of camp, but practiced for the second straight day Tuesday.

"I think my shoulder is starting to respond now," he said.
Pennington practiced with his left calf wrapped up after he was accidentally spiked by a teammate during practice Monday, causing some bruising and swelling.

But Edwards said that had no affect on choosing to not play Pennington against Detroit.

"That decision was made about three months ago," Edwards said.

"In the first game, we'd play a maximum of two series," Pennington said. "Getting more practice reps and getting my shoulder in game shape is more important than going out there and taking any chances."

Backup Jay Fiedler will start Friday night's game at Giants Stadium and third-stringer Brooks Bollinger will follow. The Jets also have former free-agent rookie Kevin Eakin in camp.

"Obviously, Jay is going to play a lot," Edwards said. "Brooks will take most of it after Jay comes out and we'll go from there."

Law, who signed a multiyear deal with the Jets on Monday, had surgery in January to repair ligament damage in his broken left foot. He took part in light drills on Monday and Tuesday, but hasn't gone through a full practice.

"We'll bring him along day to day every practice," Edwards said. "He's actually doing fairly well, but he's not in shape to participate in full practices yet, as far as I'm concerned, so we're going to bring him along gingerly. We've got a pretty good plan for him."

Law worked out in the training complex with Edwards' son, Marcus, during practice Monday and Tuesday before coming out to study the team's defensive schemes.

"He won't play in this week's game, that's for sure," defensive coordinator Donnie Henderson said. "It will be whenever he can get himself physically in condition, football condition. That's what he's doing right now."

In other injury news, linebacker Eric Barton has tendinitis in his right knee and will be rested all week, including Friday night's game.

"I just told him today that rather than him hobbling around trying to practice one-a-days, we'll try to get him well and off his knee," Edwards said.


Also, Edwards said wide receivers Wayne Chrebet and Jonathan Carter, who missed the last few practices with strained hamstrings, probably will not play against the Lions.

thats basically what i said. but he happens to be an integral piece of the puzzle. having a cb of his caliber lets you do so much more with the rest of your defensive backfield. not to mention keeping linebackers free from having to roll coverage to his side of the field. ty law took our defensive backfield from decent to, arguably, a team strength.

sgutting down a receiving threat like gonzalez doen't exactly mean "keeping him without a single catch". what it means is eliminating his big-play potential and keeping him from his usual production. if, for instance, law kept gonzalez to 4 catches and about 35 yards that would be "shutting him down".

4 catches for 35 yards, okay I am done laughing now. Then he would be able to do what no other single person in the NFL has been able to do. But he is TY the Best ever!! I would see if he can still cut and run on that foot first before you start saying he is going to shut down the best TE ever!!
Halfcan

kellen winslow was better. maybe even shannon sharpe. mike ditka was another one who might have been better also.

Mike Ditka? You are really reaching now.

Ditka? You must be joking. No one could be that stupid.

ok, but my point is that gonzalex is not the best TE ever. but he is one of only a handful of TE's in the HOF.

y you think ditka sucked?

Peter King/SI article:
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/200...law/index.html

The real story behind the contract Ty Law signed with the New York Jets this week is that it entails very little risk for the Jets. The deal ensures just $1 million in guaranteed money for the 31-year-old cornerback.
In reality, the contract is a one-year deal with a base salary of $2.5 million for the 2005 season. If Law, coming off a broken foot that sidelined him for the last half of the '04 season in New England, goes on injured reserve before the first game, the Jets would pay him $1 million -- and he would not be due his salary for the year. Thus the $1 million guarantee.
More about the slew of incentives in a moment. But the eye-opener of this deal is that the Jets, should they choose to keep Law after this season, have an $11 million option bonus due Law in March. If they choose to pay Law that bonus -- highly questionable unless Law has a very good year, because he'll be 32 in February -- the final six years of his contract would then kick in -- at base salaries of $3 million in 2006, $4 million in 2007, and $6 million in each of 2008, 2009 and 2010. If the Jets choose not to pay Law the $11 million, he'll be a free agent next winter.
So it's up to Law to have a terrific year and do one of two things: force the Jets to shell out the big payday Law was seeking in free agency, or get cut and land one last big contract somewhere else beginning in 2006.
Law can supplement his pay this year with a number of incentives. For example:
•For every game he's active on the 45-man roster this year, the Jets will pay him $62,500. If he's active for 16 games, that's an extra $1 million.
•If he plays 85 percent of the snaps on defense for the Jets, he'll earn an additional $500,000.
•Here's the biggie: He'll make an additional $4 million if he plays 95 percent of the defensive snaps and the Jets make the playoffs.
As an illustration, if Law plays nickel back, is active every week and the Jets go 8-8, he'll make $3.5 million. If Law starts and plays all but a handful of plays -- possible, though not likely -- and the Jets make the playoffs, he'll make $8 million.
It's a contract that makes lots of sense for the cornerback-needy Jets and a deal that forces Law to be a great player if he hopes to earn big money.

If Law, coming off a broken foot that sidelined him for the last half of the '04 season in New England, goes on injured reserve before the first game, the Jets would pay him $1 million -- and he would not be due his salary for the year. Thus the $1 million guarantee.

There it is.

The Jets signed him KNOWING that he's not fully healthy and might never play a down for them. They figured the reward of him being able to help them during the stretch run outweighs $1M against the cap.

He won't be shutting down Tony Gonzales Week 1 because he won't play...bank on it.

:titus:


:D :D :D

Even if he did play, he still won't be shutting down anyone. He won't be at full strength.

ROFL

:titus:

If I'm wrong, I'm wrong.

But I won't be wrong.

:D

well, the Jets just traded your dominant safety to Detroit for a conditional draft pick... ROFL

guess they had a different opinion of him than you....

I amazed by that contract Law signed...I bet the Chiefs offered him more guaranteed $$ earlier...which means his waiting game cost him money....

:titus:


that's like saying Goatcheeze doesn't . :whackit: .smelling his momma's panties every night.





deny it all ya want but the truth still hurts. rochambeau







.

Seriously - are you reeruned? :hmmm: BTW, your 'Shutdown" safety just got traded... ROFL

I all seriousness, do you REALLY think that Ty Law will be 100% ready-to-go week 1?

And even if you do believe that, you surely don't believe he will completely shut down Tony Gonzales, do you?

You think Tony Gonzalez isn't the best TE ever? Seriously, all homerism aside, you must be joking. Shannon Sharpe had three 1000 yard seasons in his 14 year career, with one additional close one. Gonzalez has had 2 1200 yard seasons with 2 additional close ones in 7 years. Sharpe has 62 TDs in his career. Tony G has 54 in his. I can't even believe you'd argue this. Gonzo has 6905 yards in 7 years. Sharpe has 10060 in 14. :shake:

Kellen winslow in his 9 seasons put up 45 TDs and 6741 yards. He only had 3 1000 yard seasons and no other seasons even approached those.

You have been in the smog too long. ROFL

I would have liked to see him in a Chiefs uniform for a $1 mil risk. If he performs then he is worth it. He doesn't no biggie. Could have helped us at some point during the season.

I agree.

But I never thought he'd be ready for game 1 for us, and I don't think he will be for the Jets either.

Look... The guy can't even stand up straight. The foot must still be hurting quite a bit. :)

Evidently Law = God in NY. Dont worry, he is god, and therefore will be on the field week 1, shutting down your whole offense by himself.

it rather draws parallels to the comedy show "Satuday Night Live" and their Ditka and Da Bears skit, no?

Law versus the chiefs: "Im gonna take law 49-17."