Nobody warned me back in 02

Sorry you weren't around then, but I'm guessing you won't get any Marty sympathy around here.

Joined: Nov 2006

I don't think anyone on this board ever said Marty wasn't a good coach.

But anything past the regular season and YES HE STINKS.

The guy can coach teams to great heights during the regular season just to have a gargantuan letdown durning the post season.

As a fan you can have a fuggin great time during the season watching your Shotgunhider coached team win a lot. Only to be let down in the first round of the playoffs. :shake:

Don't make such crude accusation and involve the PLANET as a whole. Not everyone thinks that Marty Stinks as a coach. He just Stinks after January 1

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Im hearing John Goodmans name for SD Head Coaches Job.

Marty stinks in the playoffs? please. That's like saying Peyton Manning can't win the big one. 12 Teams make the playoffs -- 10 exit with a non-winning record. Shottenheimer's perceived post-season futility is simply a byproduct of getting there so often.

you are a gaymo bundle of stickstard.

So will SD make a run at the Raiders for last place next year?

Great news for KC. The first step to making the Super Bowl is to win your division. Without Marty that gives KC a better opportunity. Say what you want about his postseason floundering, the SOB is perhaps the best regular season coach in the NFL. He's also great at building teams.

I bet there are a handful of GM's around the league that are sorry they signed people last year and this year. Marty could bring respectability to teams like AZ, Detroit and even KC.

Anyway the Chargers are idiots...just like the Redskins before them...

5-13.

Back from the dead to NFL head coach. Theres a TV movie of the week in the making

I thought it was a one year extension.

This was a malicious act. They waited until all the existing jobs were gone, then fired him.

Yes, they were all set to turn down those Head Coaching positions, until they realized Marty might still be there with them in SD.

In all likelihood most Chargers fans have only been a fan for a season so it's not exactly like they're going to be heartbroken over a coach whose name they can't pronounce.

"Perceived"?

ROFL ROFL ROFL

You fire Marty for the simple reason of his history. 5-13 in the playoffs is a complete joke. You cant have the teams Marty has had over the last decade and just piss away the home field and playoffs like he has..

Take away Montana's run in KC and Marty is a smashing 3-12.....

If you want to win games and put fans in the seats. You Hire Marty.

If you want to win superbowls and championships. You fire Marty.

IF you want niether? You hire Herm. ROFL

fuck Marty.. Happy trails playoff choker!

I suppose one could perceive it that way.

There has been bad blood there for awhile, when he rejected the one year add on well it was easy to see this was going to end badly. This reeks of payback.

Yes, Lets wait till all of the best coaches already have jobs and then lets fire ours. Sounds like something the Raiders would do.

Given the Home Fields Advantage he has had, the strong teams he has fielded...

Like people said, this was the BEST team Marty has ever, ever had, if he couldn’t get it done with this team. It is pretty much hopeless for him...

Christ the Chargers were top 10 in both O and D? If not top 5 and he still managed to screw that up...

Sorry, Marty is a great coach as long as there isn’t a playoff system.

WTF is the obsession with taking Montana out of the equation?
Did I miss the part where when they hired Montana, they fired all the O coaches and coordinators and Montana ran everything?
Montana was the most talented and poised QB we had, therefore he ran the offense better than the rest and we had more success.
So, if you take Manning out of the equations, Dungy's never won a SB.
If you take Elway out of the equation, the Broncos haven't been the SB since the 70s.

What's the point. Oh, yeah, overstating the case for your obsession is the point.

Thanks for noticing asshat....

BTW, Dungy won the Superbowl.

Elway couldnt win one without Davis, Marty couldnt win one with Montana...

Cry all you want, but your boy Marty will never win the superbowl. He missed his best chance last season.

His best chance was with Philip Rivers at QB in his first year starting?

Didnt his Rookie QB go to the Pro bowl?

With his NFL record setting MVP Running Back and one of the leagues best Defenses? Doesnt that equal success with Martyball?

Cry all you want, but the Chiefs under Marty were better they've ever been, and better than they'll be for a while.
I'm not saying you can't make fun of a Trans Am, but you shouldn't do so from the driver's seat of a Yugo.

This thread is polluting the world with stupid.

Nice!

I agree, Marty is and was the sole reason that KC is back to where it is today... Also I think Marty is a first ballot hall of fame coach as well...

What I am getting at Mr. Lee is, If you want to win games and put fans in the seats, you hire Marty, 9 times out of 10 you will get a solid quality product on the field, that plays hard and disciplined.

But if your goal is to win championships and super bowls, Well Marty might not be your man. His history shows that he can't just get it done. Is it all Marty? No, but his teams have everything go against him that is possible. Stupid penalties, freak turnovers or phantom holding calls...

Marty is the best regular season, organization building coach in the current game, but the man is just cursed when the chips are on the table. And for you Mr. Lee, Marty is so cursed, even the great one Joe Montana couldn’t lift it…

All I know is right now while the Chiefs are in rebuild mode, I'd rather have Marty than Herm.

I agree , but then ditch marty when playoff time comes. He's like a mechanic that can really fix and build cars better then others but has a problem driving them when the hardest twists and turns come.....

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Fixed it.

ROFL

Must be for siding with you in all the Jayhawk game threads...

Sorry. I'm not such a gud speller.

Me either after a couple of glasses of Jim and Coke.... I got all excited in what I was wanting to write and just typed it all out there.. Never once thought of spell checking it...


Skip is just being a tool bag today, nothing new...

NO, it wasn't a malicious act..how was Marty going to hire a coaching staff when he was a lame duck coach with 1 year remaining?he turned down a one year extension which basically cost him his job.


Edit:I now think you were being very sarcastic.

You really think there aren't assistant coaches who would kill for a chance to be a coordinator for a year? Get serious.

I could see Pete Carroll from USC being the next coach, before the USC program goes toxic from NCAA violations. I don't think they'd give Al Saunders a second chance as Head Coach...but damn...he'd be seriously dangerous with their offense. Yikes. Don't think Cowher or Parcells or any other "retired" coaches will bite. I'll be surprised if they do. Maybe a Pats assistant, since they can't seem to get past New England.

On Marty: Here's a thought: He takes San Diego's $3 mill payoff, screws around for a year. Then the Chiefs move King Carl to "CEO", let him deal with Stadium Improvements, cheeziness of the nachos, etc. and Clark names Marty GM and puts him in charge of football chit, draft etc. Herm stays as HC.

Too far fetched? I think Clark is going to chop down on Carl in the next year, and hopefully move him out of GM role. Marty might be great at that, and he wouldn't be able to screw up the playoffs. Whaddya think?

been said in this thread before .......... but how stupid for the chargers.


if you're gonna make a move then do it early when you still have options.

When they could of just promoted Cam Cameron.

:shake:

they should of sucked it up for 1 more year and then gone after Cowher next year.

no planning, no discipline,no strategy


how "retarted"

Way to kick the Chiefs fans while they are down and still reeling from the hire of theSavior Herm...

That would potentially be the worst thing to ever happen to the Chiefs organization.

Why would they want to be part of a lame duck coaching staff?

If you bring in a new Head Coach after 1 year they are more than likely goners.

fine with me ........


at this point, i would do just about anything to get Peterson out of the GM seat.

Sometimes the jokes just write themselves.

Because there's always the chance they coordinate well enough to get themselves onto the "new head coach" list.

Good, look what Marty built over there. Sooner he is gone the better for us. I do feel for the guy though.

1 year is not a lot of time to make a judgment on any coach..and your dealing with a super bowl contender here..not an expansion team.

Eric Mangini was a coordinator for how long?

It will be okay Skip... I know you really liked Marty and all, but sometimes you just have to let him go...

Maybe Carl can bring him back as the assistant Head Coach and the Special Coordinator of offensive design and red zone efficiency.

1 year..and NOBODY wanted him except the Jets..that was a very rare situation..he had ties with Tannenbaum(the incoming GM) before that.

Coordinators get promoted all the time. How long was YOUR head coach a coordinator?

1 year..and how many teams were interested? one?

Uhhhh.....nope.

Getting to the playoffs is only half the battle. Good coaches should have around a .500 playoffs record. Marty's playoffs record is way below that. He is one of the greatest regular season coaches of all time. He is also one of the worst playoffs coaches of all time.

Do a good job and SOMEBODY will call. Being that it's the same team, that sometimes just increases the probability.

It's pretty simple, the road to head coach goes through a coordinator position. They wouldn't have had ANY trouble finding candidates...

That's fair..but from the GM's point of view..if they bring in a new head coach after one year(that's not one of those coordinators)he will want to hire his own coaching staff..no?

That is a stupid reason to fire a head coach of Schottenheimer's caliber without an apparent replacement plan. I'll reserve judgement until I see who they hire.

The Spanos' are too conservative not to have a backup plan.

That's not how it appears. They don't appear to have a plan at all.

They didn't expect to lose half of their coordinators.

On 'Cold Pizza' they said they didn't make the move earlier because it wasn't until the team had four coaching vacancies to fill that the problem became as big as it did. The riff between Marty and A.J. Smith was becoming unworkable because Smith didn't like any of Marty's choices for the coaching positions. The main disagreement was Marty wanted his brother for defensive coordinator and wasn't willing to budge, so the owner had to make a decision of who to back and the GM won and Marty had to go.

that was the first thing that came to my mind, then i thought, "nah".
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Good for Marty

Jesus Marty, was trying to get your brother a new job really worth getting fired over?

Only half?

“Marty Schottenheimer can’t catch the ball for us,” Pro Bowl tight end Antonio Gates said during the playoffs. “Marty Schottenheimer can’t make tackles for us. He puts us in situations to make plays; he puts us in situations to win ballgames.”


Gates has inadvertently summarized Schottenheimer's entire coaching career.

Just as well for Marty.....He probably didn't want to move to LA with the team anyway.

Yeah, but who do share that with? The Chargers wagon emptied weeks ago.

Back in the closet go the Charger fans. Maybe they will come back out next decade.

To be fair (you do want to be fair, right?), most of those losses weren't due to poor coaching. They were due to things he couldn't control, like Lin Elliot choking. How many did he lose because of kicking?

Why were even IN the postion to lose on a Lin Elliot field goal?

COACHING.

You can look at the missed FG or you can evaluate why they were kicking in the first place.

Everybody remembers Nate Kaeding and the 50-yard miss in the playoffs three years ago. Only those of us that care remember that the Chargers had 1st-and-10 at the Jet 40 and RAN THE BALL THREE STRAIGHT TIMES in order to setup their ROOKIE kicker for a 49-yard attempt IN THE RAIN.

Pretty much sums up Marty in just a few short sentences...

[QUOTE=Lzen]Uhhhh.....nope.

Getting to the playoffs is only half the battle. Good coaches should have around a .500 playoffs record.
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uhhh sorry, let's do the math again: 12 teams make the playoffs -- only TWO end up with a winning record. The other ten come away 0-1 or 1-1. (Yeah even the ones with home field advantage)

So No, like it or not, a good coach who leads his team to the playoffs every year, WILL compile an ugly record.... about 9 times out of 10... unless they're fortunate enough to reach the Super Bowl.

[QUOTE=RedPete]Really? They'll usually lose their first game like Marty has nine times?

Chuck Knox is widely viewed as the precursor to Marty. Yet, he had a career playoff record of 7-11 -- he only went one-and-out five times in 11 tries (compared to Marty's 9 in 13).

Yeah. I think this year was different. Do you think it was Marty's fault this last time? I actually felt bad for Marty this time because I don't think he choked. I think this time was just bad luck.

And one more point -- Marty never had great teams here. And part of that is Marty's fault for going with simple schemes. It's Marty's whole coaching philosophy, not just game-time decisions that have hurt him.

Without reading the whole thread, does anyone else wonder if A.J. Smith specifically kept Marty employed until all of the other coaching jobs were filled?

The Chargers are sooooo stupid. Sure, Marty has the curse in the playoffs, but the Chargers were a perennial 5-11 team before he showed up, and they'll be back there again. If Marty has a playoff curse, the Chargers have a regular season curse.

They screwed him deliberately, IMO.

I think you're overestimated the damage of losing Marty. The damage was done when Cameron and Phillips left. Marty with those guys equaled a great coaching staff. Marty without those guys -- see Washington under Marty.

Was this year different? The clock management at the end of the New England game was horrible...

He had one season in Washington. You couldn't tell anything from that.