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Should the Chiefs have drafted Aaron Rodgers over Derrick Johnson?
(https://chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=188932)
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Shit, Aaron Rodgers would of be dead or out of the league by now under Herm.
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Yea this one is pretty blatant now.
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I ate my crow and came to my senses last year. Funny to see people still fighting this. |
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I got ripped last year for suggesting we trade him for a second rounder.
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Not sure we could get a 4th for him now. |
Aaron Rodgers is a future league MVP, he is the shit. He will after this year likely be considered one of the top 5 QB's in the league.
Even if Derrick Johnson was good, which he's not, we ****ed up the pick. |
Hey, it happens. Everyone here loved the DJ pick at the time and most people thought Rodgers would be a bust coming out of Cal. Hindsight is a beautiful thing.
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Another good bump.
This one makes me sick though. |
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Especially while DV was here they only thought about the here and now. Never about the future. The one pick they did think about the future was the LJ pick which ended up being decent. |
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That was why we had a team full of vets. |
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Now there are plenty of other DV and Edwards era Peterson picks you can bust on. In fact plenty of Marty era ones as well. |
Aaron Rodgers would have had the worst coaching imaginable here in KC. His talent would have been wasted and he would be looked upon as a 1st round bust.
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DJ was the right pick AT THE TIME. Just like Glenn Dorsey was the right pick last year, but I'm sure we'll have an equally dumb thread soon asking if we should've taken a far inferior PROSPECT over him. |
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hindsight is always 20/20
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oh look...
the draft is back. |
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Could Aaron's talent overcome an atrocious offensive line and the worst coaching KC has ever had? Aaron stepped onto a team that was coming off a 13-3 season that had a pretty good O-Line and excellent receivers. Let's not kid ourselves into thinking he would have done that well here. |
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Pathetic. |
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All hypothetical. Looking back, hell ya I would take Rodgers. I believe he would have been wasted with our pathetic coaching. |
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Ware would have been a DE in a 4-3.
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If anyone saw DJ in college he was making plays Ever ****ing play. INT's Sacks, tackles for losses, stripping balls, getting under full backs. He looked like a bad ass and has shown flashes here and there. Just hasn't panned out, guys are just a bit faster and fatter at the pro level and he can't weave slice like he did at texas
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so what we learn here is Texas plays teams occasionally smaller than them and to never draft a player from Texas again.
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The hell you say. |
I can't believe DJ is now relegated to 3rd string. That really...really...sucks. I hope he can turn it around this year, but last year was the last chance at a possible break out year. At this point, I think he is what he is. Just OK.
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what was the pack's record the year before he started? what was their record last year? hell if you listen to OTWP the QB should RAISE the play of the players around him so why did the record go backwards? and, again thanks otwp, isnt the QB solely responsible for wins and losses?
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I think DJ has just fallen into the category of great talent who doesn't have the "want it". When coaches have to move you to MIKE in order to get you to keep your head in the game, you know you've got an issue with the guy. If someone does not want to put in the time or effort to be into every play, despite the talent, he becomes a liability. Either the light needs to go on for DJ, or he's just another one of those guys who made his money and who can fade into the background. The reason the Ravens have had such a great defense while we've had such crap ones is because they draft guys with that intense persona and desire to be the best. We have drafted guys who supposedly have potential but who don't have that desire. In other words, in this decade we have drafted a bunch of soft players on D... |
after all the yapping DJ is still going to be in the nfl for 8 years starting for 5 or 6 of them. Not a bad career.
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But when you can fill the most important position on the field with a high-caliber young player, you have to do it. Rarely will it be an ideal situation. The best QBs generally go to the shittiest teams or organizations more generally, yet some of these players still succeed. |
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DeBerg? Montana? Kreig? Bono? Grbac? Gannon? Whom did he destroy? Bernie? Rivers? Brees? Or applause at the draft sarcasm... Or Chiefs inept sarcasm... |
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All this talk about how Derrick needs better players or a better team aruond him is absolute bullsnot. A great player on defense can easily stand out. Look at Nnamdi in Oakland. Surrounded by the worst damn talent in the whole league but everyone knows he's the best corner in the NFL. Jared Allen had no problem leading the league in sacks on basically the same defense that set a record for sack ineptness a year later. Anyone who thinks that Johnson needs better players around him to TRULY showcase his talent don't know WTF they are talking about. Either Derrick can focus and play at a high level or he can't. Thus far he's shown the latter. |
I agree that Rodgers would have had a more difficult time succeeding in KC than he has in GB.
I agree that DJ has not lived up to his potential. The conclusion I draw from these two statements is that KC has not been a good place for a rookie to come in and develop. If they do develop, it is despite the organization, not because of it. And that is why we are in year 3 of a rebuild that looks about 1/2 done. It is just complete organizational failure. Hopefully Pioli and Haley begin to turn this around. It is going to take some time. |
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Under Pioli I believe we will see draft picks with size, speed, strength and desire. Based on the final roster and depth chart it seems he has little patience for players that lack desire. If Pioli and Haley cannot bring out DJ's potential then I can't imagine anyone can. I predict by game 4 DJ is back on top the depth chart. |
Bump..
Should the Chiefs have drafted Brett Favre over Harvey Williams in 1991? :) |
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What the heck, time for a bump....
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yes...
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If we did we may never had to live through the Herm years...
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Decisions like this are why the Chiefs are the Chiefs....
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I agree, the fact that we don't draft franchise difference players are why we are here today. The scarier thing is that Carl was salivating over the idea of drafting Joey Harrington a few years earlier (but Detroit took him which allowed us to throw away our pick anyway on Ryan Sims). It's scary how bad Carl was at evaluating young QB's... |
He's not part of the right 53.
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Rodgers in the Chiefs current offense wouldn't be much better than Cassel.
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I'm surprised you didn't blame "Fat Scott" for it either. Are your pussy U players ever going to toughen up again? It must piss you off to watch that Documentary and then watch the Molly Shannon-led U team use space heaters on the sideline for a 49 degree game. |
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Would the offense be far more productive? Of course. Because when you have a sack of ****ing shit QB, that kind of hampers things. Just like when we had a sack of shit RB, running the ball looked like a lost cause. Statistically, we have damn near the worst QB in the league. FFS, of course it could be better. |
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Every team could do this shit about every draft, every year.
nobody selects the guy they should every round ... you just gotta hope you get a few quality players each draft. |
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That's the last time we tried. ****. We're fans of one of the most pussy franchises in the ****ing league. |
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But I don't think there's a single team with the history of the Chiefs that can lay claim to the fact that they have never, in franchise history, drafted and developed their own QB. |
This is tough because at the time I thought Rodgers would be just another Tedford QB.
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Kevin Kietzman is generally a dumbass, so use this as the preface to my comment. However...
For years he's said that if you don't have a franchise QB and you're in the position to draft the player who is regarded as the best or second best QB in the draft, you absolutely have to do it. Can't say I disagree. |
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one of the worse in the entire league ... that's why we suck so bad. |
Who was it that use to argue that the Chiefs draft history was on par with most of the rest of the league?
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Teams that consistently draft well also consistently WIN. Baltimore, Pittsburgh, NY Giants, Indianapolis, San Diego, Philadelphia and Green Bay consistently draft well and don't reach. The result is year after year after year in the playoffs with the occasional Super Bowl appearance and win. The Cardinals are another example of a franchise that has consistently drafted well but didn't hire the right coach until 2006. That team is LOADED with talent. |
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http://www.pro-football-reference.co...er-passing.htm my hope is cassel is a stop gap and we finally draft a qb that plays more than 3 years |
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Mike Livingston was prob the best qb ever drafted. Kenney played more but livingston contrbited to the only ring. He did the job when we needed it.
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Aaron Rodgers is a big reason I wanted Orakpo in the draft.
Let me explain. Back in 2005, I wanted no part of Rodgers because he was a cal QB and because of the fact Kyle Boller failed so badly coming out of Cal, I thought Aaron would follow that model and not be prepared enough to play in the NFL and we could help the team better in going in a different direction. Mainly by taking the highest rated defender on the board. I loved the DJ pick like everyone else. Boy was I wrong. Crow has been served long ago on the topic. I think many people didn't want to draft Orakpo because of the school he came out of and the fact that Vernon Gholsten had just been taken that high and looked to be a huge bust. Orakpo had the production, the elite measureables and other indicators that he is more than a workout warrior, that he could truly be a elite pass rusher at the next level but doubt remained none the less. doubt = risk risk = possible loss Im more of a gambler than Pioli is obviously. I could see how much a difference a elite pass rusher could make by the difference in the teams defensive quality overall with and without Jared, so to me it was worth the risk. |
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Does that mean that Stafford will pan out? No. But I don't believe you should reach for a QB that high simply because he's the best in an otherwise bad class. Though I thought that Rogers was the best in that badd class that Smith came out in. |
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Vince Young might have been one of the top 2 QBs in that class, but I don't touch him with a 10-foot pole. Kids with poor mechanics or coming from spread offenses should almost immediately be crossed off the list, barring extenuating reasons (see: athletic freak of nature). |
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That post doesn't make much sense, explain how Texas has had SO MANY guys fail then?
Texas players are a risk just because of that program they come from. |
Look at it this way: Rodgers spent three years learning under statistically the greatest QB in NFL history. And Favre didn't go out of his way to make things easy; he said when Rodgers was drafted 'I'm not here to babysit Aaron Rodgers'. He made #12 work for his respect, and over the course of three years, it was earned. He received excellent coaching during those three years when he only played a handful of snaps, and wasn't rushed into a situation he wasn't ready for.
Who was he going to learn from in KC? Nobody. He was going to be thrown into the fire at the first available opportunity without the coaching staff correcting the mechanical issues he had coming out of Cal. And then he'd be just as big a disappointment as Alex Smith, if not more so. |
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If anything, Rodgers is proof that those kind of stereotypes aren't always right. |
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