This is a solid reminder Carl P handicapped this franchise & Glenn Dorsey is crap.

I can't get upset now about anyone the Chiefs have passed on the last several years. If the Chiefs had a better quarterback instead of Cassel, they'd have won a few more games, and we'd still have Scott ****ing Polio as the general manager.

From now on, I only look forward, not back.

All good points.

I have to laugh when I read some of the scouting reports or even posts on this site that say, "His upside is Matt Ryan" as if this is some type of critique.

Ryan is absolutely, no question, a franchise QB. We should be thrilled to death if we draft a QB who ends up being this good.

Hell, I'd give away the Chiefs entire draft in '13 to have Matt Ryan, who will turn 28 this spring.

Should the Chiefs have drafted Kaepernick over Poe.... stop it with these questions when the answer is so blatantly obvious that it frustrates the fans because their drafting has sucked for so long.

The Chiefs should have drafted any QB over these position players we have that keep getting brought up.

Seriously? Flacco, Rodgers, who is it gonna be next? Yes, yes, yes!

You need a QB to win!

Hopefully, after the draft, we won need to start a thread on if we should have drafted Geno over Joeckel.

Considering they weren't in the same draft that would require some serious work to pull off.

YES YES YES. Damn carl!

Flacco doesn't develop into the guy we've been watching if he plays for the Chiefs. Simple as that.

yeah, there is no excuse anymore for advocating for a positional player over a QB on the basis of 'risk' or 'value'....

we have lived that mistake...

drafting a LT would be proof you just don't give a shit

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Until we find one, our draft philosophy with our first pick in every single draft should be "Best QB available."

That's true in '13, obviously. But if Geno (let's say Dorsey/Reid believe he's the top QB for the sake of argument) doesn't flash in year one, the above philosophy should apply to the '14 draft, too. And on, and on, and on.

Gone are the days of total patience. No flash? Keep trying to add viable talent to the position. Concerns arise (Geno shows signs of __ concern)? Keep trying to add viable talent to the position.

And we accomplish this through the draft.

I have more sympathy for these type of threads if you actually call for the player in the draft thread.

Sadly, you are probably right. Our coaches at the time would never have given him a legitimate opportunity to play.

This bump underscores the need to draft Geno.

That is all.

But...but, there are no good qbs in this draft. The Chiefs should not take the risk in drafting one with the first pick overall.


He'd be good for the faid at #3 though :facepalm:

Personally, I think the Ravens would have taken Dorsey over Flacco back then. Hindsight is 20/20.

We passed on both Rodgers and Flacco..... :facepalm:


This calls for an old school Damnit Carl!

Our coaches would have completely wasted Flacco's talent.

A month ago, people here would not have traded the first this year for him. :doh!:

ROFLMAO.

So is it the players or coaches?

How do you know this?

Link?

:thumb:

I THINK WE DID OK GUYS

We pass on Drew Brees to trade for Trent Green.

We pass on Aaron Rodgers to take Derrick Johnson.

We pass on Joe Flacco to take Glenn Dorsey and then pass on him again to take Brandon Albert.

If we pass on Geno and trade/sign Alex Smith, nobody should be surprised.

Our choice to be a fan.

We've made too many compromises already, too many retreats.

They invade our space, and we fall back.

They assimilate entire worlds, and we fall back. Not again.

The line must be drawn here! This far and no further!

And I will make them pay for what they've done!

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But there was no Luck or RGIII those years. Can't reach, gotta take the safe pick.

We'll be trading for Flacco's b/u before the draft...

Too many "what ifs" for one day.

heh.......they might lose me as a fan if they dont take a chance and draft a 1st round QB. Dont know how much more i can take.

yeah i agree.
it's getting old playing w/o a QB year after year.

This.

LOL, that hindsight shit is 20/20....

I created the thread 11-30-2008

It's Monday morning, and I assume you are being sarcastic. If not:



Herm Edwards

ROFL

Of course, Alex Smith is a #1 overall QB.

A lot. A LOT of truth in all of this.

I envision Matt Flynn, Alex Smith, Mike Vick as our QB next year;
Joekel with the 1st pick.


.....and I'll puke in my hat.

Flacco would have been nice, but coaching goes a long way too.

Yup.

It's the fear of being wrong.

Apparently this doesn't matter if we take some true-fan position but a QB......OH, well **** us if we miss on one QB...

Being wrong is one thing, and being afraid of being wrong is another. This Organization just flat out stopped trying at that position (relative to drafting and developing your own QB).

I'm still holding out hope for the next Mike Elkins........

This.

"With the first pick in the NFL draft the KC Chiefs select..."

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-2vMboewHBG...20004_0001.jpg

ROFL

That has looked horrible for 80% of his career.

Welp, thread over.....

Can we just change your name to Bump?

No because he'd be out of the league by now. Chiefs suck at QB grooming due to lack of experience

I love hindsight.

Jesus.

Holy shit, this is like seeing Jesus' face in a pile of candy wrappers in an Arrowhead stairwell.

My reading: hopeful plea to a higher power to save us from the abyss of mediocrity, uttered as a tentative question.

Best silver-lining I can come up with now that Dorsey noted that Alex Smith is our "QB of the future."

how do we know? They havent really tried it since 1983.

He really said "QBOTF"? That changes a great many things for me.
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Anything i potentially said way back in this thread, probably something sophomoric about joes eyebrows if i had to guess... please disregard.

Flacco is the new mad bomber and Dorsey plays for a new team.

NOPE ! Because this organization has never been about developing QBs. Flacco would have gone to waste because we have never been in a position to develop a QBOTF. It's obvious now we should have passed on Dorsey but Flacco would have been a wasted pick as well for the very reason I just mentioned.

duh......

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Had we passed on Dorsey, we'd be banging our heads for the next 15 years thinking about why we passed on him. IMO, Dorsey with just about any DC who's team picked after us would turn Dorsey into a monster.
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Whatever became of PastorMikH? I don't believe I've seen him post in a Looooooooong time!

30 yrs is too soon still. :banghead:

Well, what's the consensus?
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I'd rather watch a Twilight movie than read another DeBerg thread.

Fyp

Uh. No.

Typical trash by this guy.

Ouch. F'd that up. Well done douche nozzle

Lol sarcasm much.

Apparently not. The answer is still yes.

I wish lol. The bigger goof is Donald Stephenson over Russel Wilson by 1 draft spot. And then Jeff Allen ahead of Alshon Jeffrey by one pick.

You're an idiot.

Dorsey was a no brainer pick.

Flacco wasn't good in the playoffs early on. He's been excellent the last few years.

Flacco is a much better player than Dorsey. But I guess captain hindsight comes along to call people idiots. Good work.

You can't evaluate this stuff without looking at the fact that Flacco was drafted #18 overall, which means half the other teams in the league liked another player more, too.

Or maybe didn't have a need at QB? Rookie QB's got paid a shit more back then to so teams were less likely to pull the trigger on one.

Still wondering whatever became of PastorMikH? Should we file him away in Mr Blonde's file also?
Correction: He's still around. He last visited on 12-7-14 Apparently he just doesn't post. :shrug:

I hated the Dorsey pick from day one. Micro fracture of his knee, no real position, Ryan Sims, Eddie Freeman, Eric Downey, etc.

Bad selection, period.

Thats just the Chiefs being the Chiefs. Its sad that we waste so many players careers for nothing. They have to leave to have success. Damned shame.

No QB you dont have shit.

There's a veritable Who's who of fail. :shake:

The Saints wanted to trade us their first round pick in 2009 to move up 2 spots. We could have gotten Flacco in 2008 then picked up Maclin or Harvin in 2009 with the extra pick.

There were reasons not to take Dorsey. But he was a consensus top 10 pick and most people easily had him slotted at top 5. If not Dorsey, Ellis, Clady, and McKelvin were high on everyone's boards. Of course in hindsight, I'd take Flacco over all those guys. But hindsight is 20/20.

Exactly. The 'I told you so' attitude doesn't work here. I don't think anybody had flacco slotted this high given the talent in this draft.

Glenn Dorsey was the consensus best player in the draft if not factoring in positional value. It's revisionist history to tear him down now. Dorsey the player is not Dorsey the prospect.

Oh man I remember that

Flacco is shitty and the entire Ravens team is shitty.

You guys picked Dorsey and tried to fit a square peg into a round hole (4-3 DT vs. 3-4 DE).

Smith is just as shitty as Flacco. Hold your heads up high.

I saw him play in college a bit. He looked ridiculously good. I was actually worried when KC drafted him because he looked like he was going to tear shit up in the NFL.