Isn't Stafford going back or did I miss something?

He was chased around all day. You must have watched a different game than I did.

eh, I don't blame the game on thigpen. I blame the game on what's been our biggest problem for a LONG time, the ****ing coaching. they went into a ****ing shell in the second half and we didn't have a prayer.

Yeah you're right! He didn't rush for a TD off of a 2nd half turnover!! Good call! I'm not saying he did a lot in the 2nd half, but he did do something.

You do realize that Baltimore was 13-3 in 2006. McNair got hurt last year and they sunk. Add Flacco and they are back. Not exactly rebuilding.

Yeah, it was pretty frustrating. Although, it wasn't Run Run Pass Punt... it was Pass Run Run Punt... SAME SHIT DIFFERENT YEAR.

HAHAHA nice.

He threw a few a little high today. Bowe was able to bring the first one down, but missed a few others. I think the biggest thing is that, while he does good sometimes, he tends to stare down his receiver before throwing the ball. Sorry if someone already brought this up, as I'm not going back to read the thread.

I'm all for drafting a QB for competition (if that guy is stafford, I'll jump for joy). that said, all of his mistakes are rookie mistakes. I'm not comparing thigpen to 'the greats,' but all of the great nfl qbs have made these mistakes. that he's doing it with horrible coaching/play calling only gives me more confidence in his abilities.

Typical post loss thread from Gochiefs....

Agreed. While I'm no "expert", like most here, I like what I see in the kid. I'd love to see what he can do with more practice and more reps during training camp. If he can compete next year, and win the starting role, I think he'll be really good. JMO.

I love how you want to sound like an expert when when you don't have a leg to stand on.

He doesn't care that everybody thinks he is an immature jackass. Look at all the attention it gets him.

I thought the attention was why he did it? :eek:

He's got it down to an art.

He channels his dissapointment over the team's performance into flaming a popular player, stroking off one of the team's bums, or pointing fingers at the guys that least deserve blame.

a few hours later he's got a 12 page thread.

Tyler Thigpen throws high because he has horrible footwork...it's why he can't pass from under center either.

Also there are times when it literally looks like he decides before the snap he's throwing it to Gonzalez no matter what.

Yea, cause reading the coverage before the snap and knowing where you probably want to go with the ball is idiotic!

He can masterbate to Huard or Croyle
because they're failures
can't get it up for a possible competent

What was today's reception/would be reception made by TG vs the total number of attempts by Thigpen today? Not trying to be smart. I just don't want to take your word for it.


Wait, I'll look it up for myself (as I'm sure I'd get told to do)....


Six receptions by Tony vs 28 attempts by Thigpen. How many did Tony drop?

You aren't suppose to be making pass decisions before the snap unless you are making a blitz read...

How many incompletions went his way, how many times was he covered and he got the ball anyway...there's more than just receptions in this.

And while it's extremely rare for spread QBs to transition to the NFL, it has been proven that it isn't impossible.

I don't want to plan on Thigpen learning the proper mechanics, but I certainly am not going to dismiss the possibility altogether.

Bullshit! WTF do you get that?


This is not Madden dude.

Yes, cause no other QB's every throw into tight coverage or make bad passes or get bailed out from the receiver. ROFL

That's probably what I should be telling you if you think QB's are making decisions with the ball before the snap.

That's fine I was just saying why he is inaccurate, he'll always be until he learns proper footwork, if he does.

I'm asking about incompletions. Sorry if I just said drops. Whether he's covered or not shouldn't matter in this scenario. Tony's known to pull down passes. He's a proven receiver. You can throw it to an unknown who's covered, a proven who can have a case of the dropsies (and some nice catches), or someone who's proven that can usually catch the ball, no matter what scenario. What do you choose?

Well in fairness you shouldn't be trying to force feed a guy if he's blanketed by 2 guys no matter how good he is.

This thread was predicted in the game chat. glad you didn't disappoint GC.

I'm probably showing my ignorance here, but I thought most plays were called with certain receivers/rushers in mind?

Thigpen has piss poor pocket prescene as well.

But all QB's do it. Especially young and inexperienced ones.


I guess the INT's Rivers through today were what?

I'll tell ya what! They were worse picks than Thiggy has thrown.

But hey, Rivers is only the top rates passer this year....I am sure he sucks too in your eyes.

Yea, all those sacks he has avoided that Huard and Croyle took. I mean all the scampers out of the pocket to gain yards and avoid sacks is terrible, terrible ......terrible! :D

If we were to use MEcca's logic, QB's would just line up and say hike. No motioning, no reading the D...jsut snap the ball and see what happnes net I guess.

And he had open guys down the field on several occassions instead he takes off thinking he is Tommie Frazier.

You have a primary receiver secondary receiver and so forth in your routes, you are suppose to know the defense the other team is in and what player you feel will have the best chance of getting open, based on that and matchups.

You are then suppose to go through your progressions 1,2,3 and so forth you aren't suppose to be saying before the snap "I'm going here" because the defense may do something you didn't expect...

When he took off with no timeouts and 30 seconds left I just shook my head.

He's not a Chief. Mecca is usually just critical about Chiefs.

Agreed. I was like WTF are you thinking?

That I admit was a classic rookie mistake. He should of chcuked the ball.

He was thinking, "How do I get us in FG range within 36 secs and no TO's and the D will be covering the sidelines?"

I don't know man. It didn't seem planned. I can understand that way of thinking, but I don't think that's how it was intended.

What? a QB with less then a a year playing experience made a mistake? Say it isnt so.

Again people are calling him a rookie. He's not one.

So I'll rephrase. It was a 2nd year QB mistake.

Hate to be such a stickler but it really bugs me that people insist on calling him a rookie.... It's a lot easier to swallow the bonehead plays when they're "rookies" right?

He's a 2nd year player of which you certainly expect more from than rookies.

He made a mistake, but playing when the game is that fast, he may have seen a opening that he could have ran for big yardage to get into field goal range. We dont know what he was thinking at the time, but it wasnt a good choice to make because it backfired, but we go tinto field goal range anyways.


Thigpen is going to make more mistakes, thats what young QB's do. The way to fix it is to keep playing and usually around their midway to their 2nd and 3rd seasons the game really starts to slow down for them.

2nd year player, correct.

Game experience, meaning, experience on the field = rookie.

He's a 2nd year playing with no real gametime until this year. Hell, the rookies that started from the get go this year have more experience then he did becuase he has always been a 3rd qb playing with the scrubs.

If college QB's do that people call them stupid...that is just something you should know, it should be ingrained in your head from the time you are in high school you don't run with the ball with less 2 minutes and no timeouts.

Of course it should be, its even in their brain before that probably, but when you are playing and you have 300lb guys ready to take your head off soemtimes you make the wrong choice. Its called being human.

It's called lacking awareness.

Oh, I am sorry...he is a practice squad\3rd string QB that threw all of 6 passes in 1 game last year.

Clearly he is a seasoned veteran.

Its called being young. All Qb's make mistakes like that. I think his awareness is fine, this should all change as he gets more play time and later into his career.

That's why I would love to see him get more practice and reps in training camp. He did what he needed to do in order to get the clocked stopped, though, so that's good.

I'd agree on getting it into FG range, but we also got help from a penalty on the SD D.

Well there is your problem, he didn't play in HS. :D Well not until his sr year I believe.


And his running the ball did aid in us getting closer to a FG. Had he thrown it awa we would of saved what, 5 secs and gained no yards? The clock running between the plays is the bad part of it, but all things considered it really lent itself to helping us at the end. Though I agree with your general point.

True. His gametime experience is little to none. No argument there.

But being in the game and learning the speed and type of play in the NFL certainly means something.

If you had a 5 year vet with no gametime experience to come off the bench, you'd expect more from him than if he was a rookie with no gametime experience right? Sure you would.

Same rule applies to Thigpen. Now is the difference smaller being only his 2nd year? You bet. But it's still different from being a rookie.

I just wish people would call him what he is. A 2nd year QB. That's all I'm saying.

It's called playing in your first game where you were out of TO's and had 36 secs to score.

Of course, another thing to keep in mind was Herm's ability to waste two timeouts as well in the 3rd/4th quarter, IIRC.

No. I would expect him to play like someone who never played in a real game. Thigpen threw a total of 6 passes last year and now is not even in the same offense we had last year.

That kick from barth would have been good from about 58 yards. He nailed it, he just hooked it.

I can't fault him there. We should not of needed them.

I don't have a problem calling him a 2nd year QB. That's true. But I also want everybody to recongize that Tyler has played less than 16 games in his career. Therefore, 16 games = 1 year of experience of playing time.

While I do think it was kind of a close call, I didn't think it needed to be questioned in that scenario. (Referring to forward pass beyond LOS).

He hooked both kicks. Not sure if he was trying to compensate for the wind or not?

What one? he had to challenge 1 of the plays becuase it could have turned the other way. It was a big call. Just didnt work out. The other time out was becuase Thigpen used it.

He probably did, but he nailed it. It just didnt happen. First one he should have hit, no doubt about it, but the 50 yarder in the wind and in the cold, i cant blame him for.

Thigy has played in a total of 13 games and only 9 as a starter.

1 of those games he passed the ball 6 times.

Agreed, Easier to forigive missing a 50 yard shot off of shitty grass in the cold and wind.

I ate my words today.

Upon missing first FG...

Dad: Can't believe he missed that. That's gonna come back and bite us.

Me: No way it will matter. We'll lose by more than a FG anyway. It's not like it's going to make or break the game.


:doh!:

I know what you are trying to say, thats why i just say he's hasnt even started a whole season.

This all takes time. I like what i see from the kid. He's one of the reasons why i watch it. he's fun to watch and i think he's improving week to week. Not one person in the NFL or any of us fans thought he would be the QB this year. Hell, i bet he didnt either. He got thrown into a inferno and imo is handling it. We were not even competitive until he came on the scene.

You're saying No you wouldn't expect more from the 5 year vet?

Okay.. We clearly view time in the league differently then.

Even Kaeding missed a pretty easy FG for him. So the conditions were a bit rough i am sure. 20 mile and hour winds is tough.

I have no problem with that. :thumb:

How can you expect much of anything from anyone who never played in a game? Regadless of how long they rode the bench or played on the practice squad?

I think what we view differently is what "time in the league" means.

Agreed.

I think training camp, practice, meetings, film study, learning the playbook, years in and all that stuff accounts for some "time in the league" in helping make you better. You apparently do not.

Wow of all the things that went wrong today...you say Thigpen isnt good enough?!? You are an idiot, go play in traffic.

You know, training camp, practice, meetings, film study, and learning the playbood does account to the 'time in the league' in helping making you better. But at the same time, you can't stimulate game situations in practice situations, because they both are completely different scenerios/situations.

True. Not trying to say gametime experience isn't the most important part. I think it is.

Just saying those other things are also factors in development.

I understand what you are saying. But there is knowing what to do and then doing it. I would hope someone as you mention woul dnot run like Thigy did. But I can't say I would expect much better play though.

It counts for something no doubt about it, but its still not real game speed. Not even practice simulates that. There is only 1 way for that.

Apparently its Thiggies fault that Rivers threw for over 400 yards. lol