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warrior 02-28-2009 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by KC kid (Post 5537521)
Does anyone have a link to nfl network online? I am stuck in the hospital

Sorry dude don't have a link but its true just being discussed on NFL channel.

PastorMikH 02-28-2009 12:22 PM

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Originally Posted by The Bad Guy (Post 5537537)
I agree. I like the move as long as it was for a 2nd round pick.


Me too.

If it was for our first, I'd still feel better with the move than taking a chance on Stafford or Sanchez. Hope we didn't give up the first rounder though.

milkman 02-28-2009 12:22 PM

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Originally Posted by The Bad Guy (Post 5537536)
Any scenario that has Brendan Albert moving to guard is a ****ing horrible idea.

Any scenario that has us taking another ****ing LT when we already have a kid with pro bowl caliber talent there is a ****ing horrible idea.

BryanBusby 02-28-2009 12:22 PM

Hm, I guess it shows what Pioli and Haley think about Thigpen and the QB class in the draft this year.

AustinChief 02-28-2009 12:22 PM

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Originally Posted by The Bad Guy (Post 5537536)
Any scenario that has Brendan Albert moving to guard is a ****ing horrible idea.

I would agree with you EXCEPT for one possibility.

If we trade Waters AND then draft Monroe. Monroe and Albert definitely have chemistry playing next to each other... so I have no problem with that... IF we lose Waters for whatever reason.

Not promoting the idea... just saying that it is the one acceptable situation where moving Albert inside is fine by me.

TrebMaxx 02-28-2009 12:23 PM

I will believe Cassel is the man once he knocks up a super model. Until then, meh.

ToxSocks 02-28-2009 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Archie Bunker (Post 5537528)
**** it, I'm going to rally behind the kid. He has chance to be our franchise QB for the next 10 yrs and and at the end of the day that was all I was looking for.

If this is who Pioli and Haley really believe in, I'm glad they went out and got him and if it's 2nd I really can't bitch about the cost.

exactly. In my book, he's on the same page as Sanchez & Stafford. An Unknown. We dont know what he'll do away from NE, but he has the ability. Pioloi knows more about him than any of us do. I trust him.

Count me in as a Cassel supporter. He's our QB now. Live with it.

HC_Chief 02-28-2009 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 5537491)
Yeak, let's draft a LT first this year, and another with our first next year, and another with our first the year after, and again the the following year.

We'll have the bestest O-Line Ever.


JFC
:grr:

We need to address our OL. We have needed to address our OL since the Vermeil era.

We drafted an OT last season; we still need an OT. The OT we drafted last season was very good; we have the option to draft the guy this year who started at LT ahead of the guy we drafted last season.

Drafting Monroe would be a smart pick which resulted in our OT position being shored-up for a decade (or more).

wild1 02-28-2009 12:23 PM

its funny. i watch NFL network and such, i see former players, people with connections in the league, and they say that people inside the Pats organization say Cassel will be a top 10 QB in the league this coming year. but then i come to the internet and computer programmers or high school students tell me he sucks, and we could have anointed our infants with matt stafford's sweat. i am so confused.

The Bad Guy 02-28-2009 12:24 PM

At 3 now, I'm drafting Aaron Curry period or trading down.

I do not want Brendan Albert moved from LT.

Just Passin' By 02-28-2009 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 5537547)
He took more than 3 sacks in 10 games. It wasn't an early season problem.

And once again, you are wrong.

Hootie 02-28-2009 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 5537545)
It's like beating your head against a wall.

The only thing you get from trying to tell these people the same thing over and over....and over agin is a ****ing headache.

Hamas was just bitching about the Chiefs potentially drafting Monroe...

If they drafted him, they are obviously drafting him to play LT...

Therefore, I was wondering what the Chiefs would do with Albert in this scenario.

I love the sense of entitlement you drafturbators think you deserve on this website.

Brock 02-28-2009 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by HC_Chief (Post 5537562)
Drafting Monroe would be a smart pick which resulted in our OT position being shored-up for a decade (or more).

Seems to me it already is shored up for a decade.

soundmind 02-28-2009 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 5537487)
Yeah, Raji is the pick if you don't question the fact that he had one year of production (which people love to hold against Sanchez) and that he's a drooling ****ing reerun.

:clap::clap::clap::clap::clap:

I'm am completely happy, I was kind of pissed about the snow, and then this lands on my plate - so long as we didn't give up too much, I LOVE IT! In fact, as a tribute to this move, I'm buying the jersey off my next paycheck.

However, with Raji I must agree. This guy is a wobbling weetodd, he's big and somewhat athletic and that's it - he's out of shape big, his stock will plummet....

Taking Cassel means, with almost certainty, that I expect the Lions to take Stafford (which I thought anyway really). I now wouldn't be surprised in the slightest if our decision is to try and land Aaron Curry - or trade down.

:clap::clap::clap::clap::clap:

KC kid 02-28-2009 12:24 PM

Anyone that wants to move Albert to guard is a moron supremo

RedThat 02-28-2009 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 5537553)
Any scenario that has us taking another ****ing LT when we already have a kid with pro bowl caliber talent there is a ****ing horrible idea.

My gut feeling tells me the chiefs are going to draft a linebacker. I feel it. I think it's gonna happen. I think you're going to see a lots of moves at linebacker this off-season. Vrabel is the start. I think thats why he was brought in here to teach the young LB's.

Johnny Vegas 02-28-2009 12:25 PM

is it time to buy a game ticket?

wild1 02-28-2009 12:25 PM

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Originally Posted by The Bad Guy (Post 5537566)
At 3 now, I'm drafting Aaron Curry period or trading down.

I do not want Brendan Albert moved from LT.

i agree. if you have a solution at LT then you don't 'fix' it.

'Hamas' Jenkins 02-28-2009 12:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hootie (Post 5537568)
Hamas was just bitching about the Chiefs potentially drafting Monroe...

If they drafted him, they are obviously drafting him to play LT...

Therefore, I was wondering what the Chiefs would do with Albert in this scenario.

I love the sense of entitlement you drafturbators think you deserve on this website.

Are you ****ing reeruned?

Why would you spend 50 million on a goddamned left tackle and 20 million on a left guard, when the ****ing left guard can play left tackle at a pro bowl level?

Jesus, why not just draft Alex Mack at 3 so we can have our COTF?

dj56dt58 02-28-2009 12:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Reaper16 (Post 5537467)
Hmmm. Actually, that would kind of be awesome in some ways.

thats what I was thinking..but we have thigpen so cassel and thigpen are gonna battle for the starting job..thigpen wont give up

The Bad Guy 02-28-2009 12:25 PM

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Originally Posted by wild1 (Post 5537564)
its funny. i watch NFL network and such, i see former players, people with connections in the league, and they say that people inside the Pats organization say Cassel will be a top 10 QB in the league this coming year. but then i come to the internet and computer programmers or high school students tell me he sucks, and we could have anointed our infants with matt stafford's sweat. i am so confused.

You know what ****head, you don't need to get paid from the NFL to actually be able to break down tape, understand schemes and figure out who can be good and bad.

I hate mother ****ers who post this shit.

If this is the case, there would never be any need for political discussion or sports discussion.

If the analysts on NFL Network are always so spot on, why in god's name aren't all of them able to predict the playoff teams before the season starts?

ChiefsCountry 02-28-2009 12:26 PM

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Originally Posted by HC_Chief (Post 5537562)
We drafted an OT last season; we still need an OT. The OT we drafted last season was very good; we have the option to draft the guy this year who started at LT ahead of the guy we drafted last season.

You know why Virginia had Monroe play left tackle and not Albert? Its bc he couldnt play any other position.

cabletech94 02-28-2009 12:26 PM

Needless to say, our Saturday just became exciting.

BigMeatballDave 02-28-2009 12:26 PM

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Originally Posted by The Bad Guy (Post 5537526)

You all can thank Bernard Pollard for this.

LMAO

tomahawk kid 02-28-2009 12:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Bad Guy (Post 5537566)
At 3 now, I'm drafting Aaron Curry period or trading down.

I do not want Brendan Albert moved from LT.

This.

You draft Curry now, especially with bringing Vrabel in via trade.

Until the draft, you try like hell to address the OL via Free Agency.....

dj56dt58 02-28-2009 12:26 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 5537576)



Jesus, why not just draft Alex Mack at 3 so we can have our COTF?

thats just stupid..we still need our fg kicker of the future, we gotta get him at 3

Hootie 02-28-2009 12:26 PM

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Originally Posted by billay (Post 5537546)
Any trade that Mecca or Hamas thinks is bad is actually good. Those 2 cockblowers don't know what their talking about if they did they wouldn't be on Chiefsplanet. Its hilarious watching these ****wits try to act like they know more then a guy thats won everywhere he's been. Morons.

They are both knowledgeable football fans...to say the least. They have great football opinions...but belittling everyone with an opinion and jamming theirs down everyone's throat without the ability of being objective in any way is irritating.

Those two honestly think they could run a football team better than anyone...and I think they really believe that, too.

Sfeihc 02-28-2009 12:26 PM

All you doom and gloomers need to get a freakin' grip. Just sayin'. This is way better than waiting to see if the Chiefs sign the next Kendrell Bell, McInsack or Johnnie Morton.

TrebMaxx 02-28-2009 12:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RedBull (Post 5537573)
My gut feeling tells me the chiefs are going to draft a linebacker. I feel it. I think it's gonna happen. I think you're going to see a lots of moves at linebacker this off-season. Vrabel is the start. I think thats why he was brought in here to teach the young LB's.

I am feeling that too. I don't have a problem with it either.

sparkky 02-28-2009 12:26 PM

initially I have no problem with the deal but I'll reserve final judgment until we know the whole deal.
I don't have a problem with Cassel.

jAZ 02-28-2009 12:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by blueballs (Post 5537522)
First in with
Matt Casserole

I think you mean
Matt Casshole

Titty Meat 02-28-2009 12:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 5537576)
Are you ****ing reeruned?

Why would you spend 50 million on a goddamned left tackle and 20 million on a left guard, when the ****ing left guard can play left tackle at a pro bowl level?

Jesus, why not just draft Alex Mack at 3 so we can have our COTF?

Dude shutup. Just cause you're a Mcdonalds manager and you have time to watch NFL Network doesn't mean you know what the **** you're talking about. And if you think Sanchez is a better QB then Cassell you're a booger eating tard.

AustinChief 02-28-2009 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by KC kid (Post 5537572)
Anyone that wants to move Albert to guard is a moron supremo

Like his head coach in college? Damn that guy must be a frackin reerun.

Pretty sure that all of us know way more about football than anyone who actually does it for a living.

wild1 02-28-2009 12:27 PM

schefter says now that another team has been calling new england, KC has a deal in place and it probably still will go through but mystery team is still trying to get him

Bob Dole 02-28-2009 12:27 PM

Reporting maybe a 3 team deal now.

'Hamas' Jenkins 02-28-2009 12:27 PM

Shit. Another team may be involved.

CaptainMorgan 02-28-2009 12:27 PM

according to NFL network...another team is trying to get Cassel...they are speculating about maybe 3rd team?

seems like not official yet

sparkky 02-28-2009 12:28 PM

now they say there could be a third team involved wanting Cassel!

chiefzilla1501 02-28-2009 12:28 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 5537487)
Yeah, Raji is the pick if you don't question the fact that he had one year of production (which people love to hold against Sanchez) and that he's a drooling ****ing reerun.

Um, actually Raji has 4 years of experience. The issue wasn't whether Sanchez had the production, but enough starts. And not drafting a defensive tackle because of his intelligence is really ****ing stupid. It's one of the positions where physical ability is far ahead of intelligence--tackles and QBs and safeties and LBs are positions where you need to focus more on intelligence.

You seem to be using this issue as a fatal flaw. It raises a flag, but I think you're raising way too big of a stink about this. Again, BC is a much, much tougher school than most schools represented in the first round (US News and World Report confirms this). I promise you that most of the players who pass at Miami would flunk out at BC. Sedrick Ellis scored a 15 and Vince Wilfork scored a 10 on the Wonderlic for crying out loud.

SAUTO 02-28-2009 12:28 PM

holy **** this is crazy

Chiefs Pantalones 02-28-2009 12:28 PM

We will see how it goes, I'm excited about it!!! I'm willing to give him a shot, I'm just glad it's not for a 1st rounder!

wild1 02-28-2009 12:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Bad Guy (Post 5537579)
You know what ****head, you don't need to get paid from the NFL to actually be able to break down tape, understand schemes and figure out who can be good and bad.

I hate mother ****ers who post this shit.

If this is the case, there would never be any need for political discussion or sports discussion.

If the analysts on NFL Network are always so spot on, why in god's name aren't all of them able to predict the playoff teams before the season starts?

i am very sorry you didn't like my post.

the point stands, that when people in football believe in him and random people on the internet ballyhoo about how he's horrible i will defer to the professionals for now

warrior 02-28-2009 12:29 PM

Just came over BFl network deal is not done yet. Some other team in mix.

CaptainMorgan 02-28-2009 12:29 PM

Schefter is backing off its now "he's gettinig traded...looks like KC"

nychief 02-28-2009 12:29 PM

the bucs want cassel too....

Hootie 02-28-2009 12:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 5537576)
Are you ****ing reeruned?

Why would you spend 50 million on a goddamned left tackle and 20 million on a left guard, when the ****ing left guard can play left tackle at a pro bowl level?

Jesus, why not just draft Alex Mack at 3 so we can have our COTF?

I want you to find a post where I said I wanted the Chiefs to draft Eugene Monroe...

You won't.

You just speculated that very thing happening in this ****ing thread...and then someone said something about Albert to RT and I said I figured he would be a better fit at LG...

Calm the **** down. I'd rather have Curry, EVERY DAY OF THE WEEK, as opposed to Monroe.

So STFU.

Brock 02-28-2009 12:30 PM

So THE DEAL IS NOT DONE

Hootie 02-28-2009 12:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry (Post 5537581)
You know why Virginia had Monroe play left tackle and not Albert? Its bc he couldnt play any other position.

are you insulting him for only being able to play the 2nd toughest position in football?

Archie Bunker 02-28-2009 12:30 PM

This could end up being Schefter's DEAL IS DONE moment.

Taco John 02-28-2009 12:30 PM

Interesting move.

Now we get to see the real (without Moss) Cassel. But even if he goes bust, a second round pick is acceptable risk.

jAZ 02-28-2009 12:31 PM

Cassell for our 2nd is the perferct (realistic) solution to our QB issues. I suspect he's as good as Trent Green and we get him for less and keep him for many more years. And we aren't forced to use our #3 pick on a risky QB pool.

chiefzilla1501 02-28-2009 12:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by billay (Post 5537594)
Dude shutup. Just cause you're a Mcdonalds manager and you have time to watch NFL Network doesn't mean you know what the **** you're talking about. And if you think Sanchez is a better QB then Cassell you're a booger eating tard.

There's a reason teams don't draft guards and right tackles and centers and rarely LBs in the top 5--it's because teams don't believe it's overly important.

That has nothing to do with us proving we know better than GMs. That's about analyzing what most GMs in the NFL do on a yearly basis.

Coogs 02-28-2009 12:31 PM

I like the move. I would have liked Stafford or Sanchez juat as much if not more, but Cassel was definately one of the three options I was hoping we could get for our QBOTF.

I wouldn't mind it a bit now if we brought in TJ Houshmanzada for the other wideout to pair with Bowe.

The Bad Guy 02-28-2009 12:31 PM

I'm not giving one more thing to the Patriots in this deal. If it was agreed to, it was agreed to. Let him go to Tampa if they want to offer their first rounder.

Hootie 02-28-2009 12:32 PM

haha! Another team thought New England was giving too much of a discount to KC and stepped in and offered more...this could nix both Vrabel and Cassel and Pioli would be back down to strike #1 in the book of Hamas!

ChiefsCountry 02-28-2009 12:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hootie (Post 5537615)
are you insulting him for only being able to play the 2nd toughest position in football?

No but Al Groth said that was why Albert wasnt the left tackle and that he was a better athlete than Monroe.

The Bad Guy 02-28-2009 12:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wild1 (Post 5537608)
i am very sorry you didn't like my post.

the point stands, that when people in football believe in him and random people on the internet ballyhoo about how he's horrible i will defer to the professionals for now

There's a lot of us "random" people who study the NFL just as much as these "analysts".

wild1 02-28-2009 12:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Bad Guy (Post 5537628)
I'm not giving one more thing to the Patriots in this deal. If it was agreed to, it was agreed to. Let him go to Tampa if they want to offer their first rounder.

i agree with that. if we had a deal and they pull it back, then we pull it back

'Hamas' Jenkins 02-28-2009 12:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Just Passin' By (Post 5537567)
And once again, you are wrong.

Seattle: 3
St. Louis: 3
SF: 5
SD: 4
Pitt: 5
Oak: 3
Denver: 6
Miami week 3: 4
Jets week 2: 3
Jets week 11: 4

10 games with 3 or more sacks.

Kill yourself.

wild1 02-28-2009 12:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Bad Guy (Post 5537632)
There's a lot of us "random" people who study the NFL just as much as these "analysts".

if you read what i posted, it was one of these talking heads - saying that he had talked with people in the Pats organization. it was not his word, he was passing along what they say, that they feel Cassel is a top 10 QB in the league.

CaptainMorgan 02-28-2009 12:34 PM

apparently, 3rd team is a "surprise team" whatever the hell that means

Just Passin' By 02-28-2009 12:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 5537637)
Seattle: 3
St. Louis: 3
SF: 5
SD: 4
Pitt: 5
Oak: 3
Denver: 6
Miami week 3: 4
Jets week 2: 3
Jets week 11: 4

10 games with 3 or more sacks.

Kill yourself.

You posted "more" than 3, dipshit.

Quote:

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 5537547)
He took more than 3 sacks in 10 games. It wasn't an early season problem.


KCFalcon59 02-28-2009 12:35 PM

This is insane. I want more info.

morphius 02-28-2009 12:35 PM

I just can't get excited by this. I guess I'll wait till I see what this one cost us. Just for me, it isn't till after the first year playing that people have some real tape on a guy and while I love TG and like Bowe, neither of them is Moss and Welker.

As usual, he is our QB, so I'll root for the guy to succeed.

kysirsoze 02-28-2009 12:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thebrad84 (Post 5537445)
Guess we will find out soon enough if Cassel is a 'product of the system.' He still has lots to prove in my opinion. Now, lets go out and get Monroe to have two studs blocking on the ends or get Crabtree so he has another weapon to throw the ball to. I wouldn't mind seeing us go after Houshmandzadeh and then getting Monroe with our 3rd.

If Cassel's a product of the system then so is Brady. AAAND if we're getting a good systemn QB but are putting him into a similar system (and Pioli seems intent on turning us into the Pats) then he should succeed nicely. CRABTREE AT 3!!!:D

'Hamas' Jenkins 02-28-2009 12:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 5537603)
Um, actually Raji has 4 years of experience. The issue wasn't whether Sanchez had the production, but enough starts. And not drafting a defensive tackle because of his intelligence is really ****ing stupid. It's one of the positions where physical ability is far ahead of intelligence--tackles and QBs and safeties and LBs are positions where you need to focus more on intelligence.

You seem to be using this issue as a fatal flaw. It raises a flag, but I think you're raising way too big of a stink about this. Again, BC is a much, much tougher school than most schools represented in the first round (US News and World Report confirms this). I promise you that most of the players who pass at Miami would flunk out at BC. Sedrick Ellis scored a 15 and Vince Wilfork scored a 10 on the Wonderlic for crying out loud.

Read. Please. I like you, even if we never agree.

One year of production.

The Bad Guy 02-28-2009 12:36 PM

Mike Reiss of the Boston Herald says that the paperwork has been filed with the league.

Titty Meat 02-28-2009 12:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 5537652)
Read. Please. I like you, even if we never agree.

One year of production.

One year of production opposed to Sanchez who's never played in the NFL. Hmm

Hootie 02-28-2009 12:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Just Passin' By (Post 5537644)
You posted "more" than 3, dipshit.

what the **** are you talking about?

Everyone knows Cassel took a shit ton of sacks last year...he took like 40+...opposed to Brady who took like 12-15 the year before...

However, I think teams may have studied the Giants gameplan against the Pats and that offense and how to attack the QB which may have worked against Cassel...I mean, Brady was taking hits from the Chiefs in the 1st quarter and the Chiefs ended up amassing 10 sacks and not many more pressures on the season...in 2007, Tom Brady had more time than Trent Green during the Chiefs offensive heyday during the Vermeil era...

So we'll see...

blueballs 02-28-2009 12:38 PM

3-way

kcfanXIII 02-28-2009 12:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hootie (Post 5537542)
I was asking. Relax...if we drafted Monroe...we can't play 2 LT's...that was a simple ****ing question...obviously if we're taking Monroe at #3 we're taking him to play LT...so that means Albert would need a new position...what position would that be?

****ing relax...go start a Pioli bashing thread...calm down. You and OTWP are two very unreasonable people...it's ridiculous.


my god i agree with hootie. all the draftubators need to take a moment, maybe cry into their box of tampons or something, and realize that pioli doesn't care what any of us think. bottom line, we got a possible franchise qb, and still have our first round pick.

Basileus777 02-28-2009 12:38 PM

Peter King says it's done. Cassel and Vrabel for our 2nd rounder.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/200...l/?eref=sircrc

'Hamas' Jenkins 02-28-2009 12:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by billay (Post 5537655)
One year of production opposed to Sanchez who's never played in the NFL. Hmm

We're talking about BJ Raji, dumbass.

Pioli Zombie 02-28-2009 12:38 PM

So its not even a done deal and everybodys acting like it is. Great. We've been all masturbating the last hour.

Tell me when there is actual news.
Posted via Mobile Device

Reaper16 02-28-2009 12:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by blueballs (Post 5537660)
3-way

Thigpen to the Bucs!

The Bad Guy 02-28-2009 12:39 PM

Peter King says it's a 2nd round pick for both players.

Just Passin' By 02-28-2009 12:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hootie (Post 5537659)
what the **** are you talking about?

Everyone knows Cassel took a shit ton of sacks last year...he took like 40+...opposed to Brady who took like 12-15 the year before...

However, I think teams may have studied the Giants gameplan against the Pats and that offense and how to attack the QB which may have worked against Cassel...I mean, Brady was taking hits from the Chiefs in the 1st quarter and the Chiefs ended up amassing 10 sacks and not many more pressures on the season...in 2007, Tom Brady had more time than Trent Green during the Chiefs offensive heyday during the Vermeil era...

So we'll see...

I'm talking about Hamas being wrong, yet again. He made a false claim, as he does so often, and I called him on it.

ChiefsCountry 02-28-2009 12:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by billay (Post 5537655)
One year of production opposed to Sanchez who's never played in the NFL. Hmm

Talking about Rajji not Sanchez.

nychief 02-28-2009 12:40 PM

girls girls girls... can we stop the slap fight?


you guys are going to upset Brian Waters.

KC kid 02-28-2009 12:40 PM

if it is a second round pick for both players, Pioli made a great trade


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