Look, I know. But he's so freaking amazing from a physical standpoint it would be hard to let him go to another team. Dude is going to kill people on Sundays. Heck, pick him up to play the ROLB spot - the experiment with McBride is just painful to watch and Dunlap has the speed to ...

Okay. Fine.

Ndamukong Suh or Jermaine Gresham with the first pick then.

Unless we pick up Pitta in the 2/3 round. If we do, then Suh is the guy.

I predict he will have the most awesome year. Maybe even Defensive MVP.

You'll see!

Turk McBride better get cut...

Another DE? WTF? So the Chiefs spend the FIRST FOUR PICKS IN THREE STRAIGHT DRAFTS ON DEFENSE END?

**** that.

Besides, Mecca's right. He wouldn't be the right fit in this defense.

He's gonna be traded for a 5th or something.

I'll see him on another team because I ever see Pollard amount to anything other than a ****ing doorstop, let alone Chiefs MVP.

LMAO

And Pollard is 100% responsible for us getting Cassel.

Just think what kind of season we would be looking forward to if not for that.

And who was the last Chief to block a punt. Uh huh!

Wait till they use a really high pick on.....Vince Oghobaasse.

Bill Williamson is reporting Page is being shopped, too.

Wouldn't it be crazy if Morgan and Brown wound up starting, with McGraw and Price as the backups?

Yes, it would be crazy. Or insane. Take your pick.

The Chiefs are prepping that spot for Taylor Mays already.

Dump them both.

Neither will ever be top flight defensive players. Get what you can and move on.

This team's gonna suck, without or without Page & Pollard.

Let's move on.

Aaron Francisco is a worthless safety. Easily one of the worst in the league in my opinion.

What part of "Brown is no longer worth a ****" isn't sinking in?

This is funny after all the hype that was given to Page and Pollard...I'm not a fan of either.

Is Obama running this program ?

Mays, Berry. Either way I will be ecstatic.

Mays would fit a 3-4 pretty well IMO.

Look, I get it.

But IMO, if the Chiefs can get something for Pollard or Page, they do it.

Pollard's absolutely ****ing worthless and Page can't tackle.

They're both a liability and they both suck.

Mays is going to work SS this year which is good because that will give him experience at both safety spots.

Only thing I like about Page right now is that he has become more vocal during this offseason. I feel like he fully understands what Haley/Pioli want him to do. Now him doing it is another story.

After this season, people will be screaming for a right tackle with the first pick.

If Mays or Berry are chosen, I fully expect the server to shut down.

LMAO

He would probably be perfect as a SS. Im excited to watch him play this year. Hes one of my 'boys' that I will be paying close attention to, and doing my own scouting reports on.

There are people that really don't grasp what those guys are.

They both could be true forces.

Just what Mays brings alone is ridiculous, there isn't another player playing on any level that is like Taylor Mays.

This. And the fact that at this point I dont think there is a RT worth being taken in the top 5 of the draft.

Good God, I hope we aren't hitching our wagon to Mike Brown.

I don't think Suh would be an effective NT in a 3-4, He seems more like a 5 tech. Cody or Boo Robinson are the top 2 IMO, and I think Robinson will be available with one of our 2nds.

TFG's head would explode because we don't use a top 5 ****ing pick on a Right Tackle.

Everyone should have to watch this..

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Isn't he kind of small for a NT?

It's not like we're going to win shit, sometimes this happens.

Or that you just don't take a RT in the top 5 period.

Boo? He's 6'2 and I've seen both 326 and 295. I've tried to find out which one it is but keep coming up with the same numbers. Anyone know for sure?

EDIT: Wake Forest has him listed at 295. He must have lost the weight since he had been listed as 326.
EDIT AGAIN: he said he weights 303 right now but if you look at him he has room to add weight. I personally think he's the best 3-4 NT prospect in the draft. I'll be trying to watch any and all WF games I can.

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No no more DL in the first we gotta take Mays damn it.

I've said it before and I'll say it until the draft, I'd love to have Mays OR Berry in the first.

Suh. Sorry, I was ambiguous.

I would love those guys too. However my biggest concern is NT. With all the teams going that way, and no real FA (unless Wilfork comes out...not likely), I don't want to come into next year with just tank and Lokey or whomever.

I dunno I think I might be a bit upset if we pass on guys who look like generational players for a big fat guy.

On board!

I'm with you there. I just hope everyone keeps focusing on Cody and we can pick up Robinson and either OL, WR, or OLB/Rush in the 2nd. (depending on how FA, and the season goes)

And thats what I don't like about Cody, he just seems like a big fat guy that doesn't have much motivation or work ethic. I think he'll be a prime candidate to bust after getting paid. You can't pass on a rare athletic freak like Mays or a gamechanger like Berry for that. Those 2 just seem like rare prospects.

I fully believe Taylor Mays can play every spot in the back 7 an inventive DC could use him in so many ways.

The safety will be abused anyway if our Nose Tackle sucks a bag of dicks on the field.

D.Morgan had 7 tackles and a an int. vs lambs. It's only one game, but I can't help but wonder if this isn't part of the reasoning on a Pollard trade. [It appears that Haley was pretty high on Morgan's training camp performance.]

Taylor Mays is built like a linebacker and runs like a track star...SC just gave up the fewest amount of pass yards in the country and fewest big plays all while playing 8 in the box and letting Kevin Ellison the SS play as a rover at the line, how and who?

Cause Taylor Mays is so good he can play the entire deep middle by himself.

I should note that I'm with you. But I'm still worried as **** about the NT.

He has the size to play OLB in a 4-3, but I can't really see him doing much else as a linebacker. Do you really think he is a Troy Polamlau type player that can roam all over? I haven't seen that from him, though USC hasn't really put him in a position to shown he can do it.

I hear you, and I won't be pissed if they take him. But I still don't know what we're going to do about a NT. Unless by some miracle Wilfork lands here or a sure sign of the apocalypse Tank steps up.

He's gonna get a chance to do it this year so we shall see. He is no longer just going to be the deep 1 cover safety, he's already shown he is tremendous at that.

This year he gets his chance to be a playmaker.

I think he's a hell of a lot more athletic than Pola-mane and I've only watched 2 minutes of highlights.

Mays could cover Antonio Gates pretty well, too, so that's something to think about.

Taylor Mays is an athletic freak there is no questioning that and he's the best deep cover/cover 1 FS you'll ever find while being a massive hitter.

His 1 knock is that is the only way he's ever been used till this year so he was never really given a chance to be a playmaker, he just did his job.

You've said it about 10 times in this thread alone. LMAO

I'm gonna be pissed if the Raiders end up with him like all these mocks keep going with.

Hey when in Rome. :)

Well that would just guarantee he would be a bust.


I do think this year is going to be really interesting as far as Mays is concerned. Last year I said he wasn't worth taking in the top 7 because he wasn't a playmaker. It will be interesting to see if he proves me wrong.

He better not end up on the Raiders that will really piss me off.

I would MUCH rather have Eric Berry than Taylor Mays.

You should quantify that in some kind of explanation.

I'm going to wait till the end of this season before I go that far.

Assuming you are talking to me, I would much rather have an Ed Reed type. A ball-hawk, playmaking safety if we are drafting a safety in the top 10. Truth be told, I would rather draft a pass rusher or WR that high, but if we are hellbent on taking a safety, then I would take the playmaking ball-hawk every time.

And, of course I don't have any allegiance to either team, so I am not looking at it through SC colored glasses.

Alright well I was just looking for some sort of explanation. In Mays defense he's never really been given the opportunity to be a playmaker.

They used him as a safety net because no one could beat him deep to let the other guys make plays.

Now now, SC or not everyone knows Mays is a top of the line prospect.

Taylor Mays went to high school in Seattle. I've been watching him play since he was 14 years old. I promise you, you want him over anyone. He is a freak of nature and has been a man among boys on every level he's ever played. I would be elated to have that guy on the Chiefs. He's going to be a Hall of Famer.

And I ****ing hate SC and was crushed when he refused to go to Washington.

Agreed. And everyone (this board apparently excluded) also knows that Berry is a better prospect.

Same could be said for Eric Berry. He is not the physical specimen that Mays is, but all he does is makes plays. The kid is the next Ed Reed.

I don't even know how that's possible. But I haven't watched Berry personally the way I've seen Taylor. I think when it's all said and done, with luck on the injury front, Taylor Mays has the potential to be one of the games all time best at his position. And I don't make those kind of comments lightly.

That's actually a huge debate on all the draft forums, it's usually split 50/50 there is no really definitive answer as to who is the better prospect.

Mays is more naturally gifted and more "freakish" where Berry has made more plays.

I'll have to do some research on him this weekend so I can make an educated comparison. Right now I honestly can't.

Flopnuts what did Mays do in high school......Eric Berry was a QB.

Here's the 2 major differences Mays is roughly 5 inches taller and 35lbs heavier and probably a little faster.

Berry has a ton of INT's and returns for TD's, where Taylor doesn't have that type of production partially due to how he is used.

A little early for your mock Chiefs draft, no?

He played both sides of the ball. Receiver, DB, QB. He is an all around stud.

Really though, he was an awesome punt returner as well. Most people overlook that.

There's absolutely no question the kid's an absolute athletic freak.

I think it's time for the Chiefs to finally give me my damn SC player on the team.

I'm always pimping Taylor Mays. I think it's because he's one of the only guys that I remembered watching in a high school game and declaring he was going to be an NFL hall of famer. Of course when you're a junior all-american in high school at defensive back, wide receiver, and quarterback that stuff speaks for itself. He's a local kid, and I'm a fan boy of his.

I will admit part of the reason I'm a huge fan of Mays is I see something special there. I think he could be a player no one has ever seen anything like before.

You don't see those chances very often and he looks like something special. There isn't another player on any level of football like Taylor Mays.

Yeah, they definitely owe that to you.

Thanks for the video. After watching that Berry is clearly head and shoulders better than Mays.

Reason why I say that is almost every tackle he doesn't wrap up he tries for the kill shot almost every time. That won't work in the NFL.

Berry is a ball hawking safety and I definitely see the comparison between him and Ed Reed.