It's no worse than throwing a 9 yard pass to the middle without calling a timeout then throwing a ball to an area where there are defenders then following that up by getting sacked.

Yes, clearly more deleterious than throwing a left handed interception from your own end zone, or overthrowing an open receiver at the 10 yard line that leads to easy points, or missing an open receiver and causing a 70 yard INT return, or taking a sack when you could just throw the ball away, or losing track of the game and clocking it on fourth down, or lining up under the guard, or throwing a ball up for grabs when you're in the clutches of a defender on first down.

Did it ever occur to you that maybe he was just trying to get the **** rid of the ball or legally ground it so that the clock would stop?

Am I the only one who remembers multiple NFL teams picking up 4th and 18 or longer? It's a hell of a lot easier than scoring a touchdown when the other team has first and goal because of a sack/fumble or a boneheaded pick.

Coaches can call timeouts...if Haley wanted a timeout, he could have gotten a timeout...obviously, Haley didn't want a timeout...that's on Haley.

Jamon Meredith was signed by the Bills.

Yea don't blame Seattle whos QB is 34 and injury prone.

I saw that.

Boy, you know, that Larry Johnson going down when completely surrounded on 2nd and 12 on that last drive was just ****ing stupid!! He should have fought for that extra yardage to put it in a more desirable down and distance, even if there were four guys pushing him back and trying to rip the ball out. It's not like anything could be worse than 3rd and 9. I'd much rather have him pick up that extra 8 centimeters and risk losing the ball. That seems the proper cost/benefit analysis of the situation.

He threw a 2 yard checkdown to a double covered tight end that wasn't really all that close to out of bounds...

It was a horrible, terrible decision...and the sad thing is...he didn't even look for anyone else...it's like he snapped the ball, felt a little pressure (or thought pressure was on its way) and had his mind already made up...like he didn't even know the situation...

At least Cassel can improvise with his legs...Brodie showed me all I needed to see right there...he doesn't really CARE about winning...he cares about not pissing off Haley and not getting killed. His confidence is shattered...

Why anyone is even talking about Brodie Croyle is ridiculous...typical, pessimistic, KC Chiefs idiocracy fueled by our beloved columnist Jason Whitlock...who is apparently ridiculously good at his job...

I mean, we knew Hamas and Mecca were going to jump on Cassel as soon as possible...but great, now we have the whole local and national media looking at Brodie's box scores (and 30 yards of 1st half offense!!!!) and trying to create controversy when it's just not going to happen.

Cassel > Brodie...it's not even close...even if Cassel does really suck. Brodie is an average backup...and potentially a great 3rd string NFL QB.

Not a starter...

Cassel on the other hand...at least he has potential.

Well he knows me and doesn't know Seattle fans but he frankly straight up told me well before the trade ever happened that he thought Cassel was a bum.

I see. I disagree Cassel isn't a bum and it's funny how everyone was like "Cassel lost 5 games with an undefeated team!". You seen the Patriots this year? That o-line is shit.

I wish you were smart enough to see the rampant irony in this post. I really do, because it's ****ing hilarious.

3rd and 18...game is on the line...you have two downs to keep the drive/hopes of winning alive...and you waste one down on a checkdown pass when you don't even give the play a second to develop?

Yeah...real similar ****ing situations...

Someone explain to me how that was even remotely close to an intelligent decision by Brodie and I'll shut up.

Brodie was just happy to get out of there alive/have some decent numbers to put on his resume...that last series showed me all I needed to know from Brodie.

I guess everyone forgets he managed to put together ONE GOOD DRIVE against a Ravens defense that was trying to keep plays in front of them...and ONE GOOD PASS that led to a money FG by Mr. Irrelevant...

His performance was about as brutal as Haley's performance against Oakland.

Really...point it out then...because you never make any points...you just strut around here like you know everything and you're a genius and you post clever .gifs and stupid shit like that...

Apparently, my football knowledge is vastly superior to yours if you are defending Brodie/his final drive against the Ravens...

There is no QB controversy, there isn't going to be one...and Brodie isn't NEARLY the QB that Matt Cassel is...and Cassel proved that in a lackluster performance last Sunday...where he clearly played a better game than Brodie and his one drive (against a prevent Ravens defense)...

Boo hoo. They are going to be good, and Sanchez is going to do a good job for them. And we aren't the team that let them trade up in the first round to get him.

Seriously? Or is this a joke?

Cassel looked like ****ing Todd Blackledge out there: Dazed and Confused.

Brodie looked tentative but in control. He didn't throw one or even two interceptions on the road against most likely, the best defense in the league.

I think we're watching two different quarterbacks.

Holy shit, this is just disingenuous, and preposterously stupid.

You lay out your contention that Brodie's "mistake" was the worst thing any QB could do, ever. I precede to give you about 10-15 instances of far worse transgressions, some from the very same ****ing game you were commenting on, and I'm the one who doesn't make points?

If you want to talk about a QB panicking because they don't know the situation, then why don't you replay the last play of the first half on Sunday, genious, because the very same thing that you are calling out Croyle for (which by virtue of him doing, afforded the Chiefs an extra down), you excuse Cassel for, even though it directly took any chance for points off the board, and happened precisely because he didn't know what the **** was going on, and because he panicked due to a waft of pressure.

You really need to stop drinking, because you can't afford to lose any more brain cells. Your gray matter has to be like the Jews of Poland at this point

Come on Dane Croyle hasn't won a game in 4 years dude.

Billay, this is the Gods honest truth from me; it's not the bashing of Cassel, it's the bashing of the reality and fact that the yin/yang of the Chiefs as a team and as a whole is severely out of whack.
You can see it on the field, and if you're perceptive to the whole, you can feel it in your gut as well.

At best, set back for a little longer.

At worst, that's the crux, and we've entered in to an even BIGGER miasma cluster-**** than what came before now.

I was shocked when Bowe pulled that slop-bucket in. I'm glad Haley has made Dewayne his pet project.

ROFLROFLROFL

dude...

he did JACK SHIT for 3.5 ****ing quarters LMAO

the game plan was so incredibly pussified that it was almost like they knew they had no chance with brodie...so they built the gameplan that gave them the best chance to not get embarrassed...

we had ONE good offensive drive all game long...and that was when the ravens had no faith we could even move the ball...even when they weren't bringing pressure.

Are we kidding here?

Someone needs to go watch that Ravens game again...and it isn't me.

To be fair Cassel has never won a game with the Chiefs either, I know I know he won 10 last year for the Pats last year.

Because he plays for a team that has no talent and that's lost 25 out of 27 games.

He's played in 8 ****ing games. How can he be held accountable for those shitty ****ing teams and those losses?

Seriously.

ROFL

OMG...

People are so ridiculous.

Yeah...that was a "slop-bucket"...

oh man...

This board is hard to deal with during football season. All of the unhappy idiots who have fat wives and terrible lives (rhymed) take out all of their displeasures on anything Chiefs related...

Dude even if Cassel is awful he will be run out there for atleast 4 years, New England is still running Maroney out there. The people who make these decisions have egos and don't like to admit they ****ed up.

It'll turn into "well he just needs this this this and this" and nothing will ever be his fault.

Cassel may become the only QB in history to take over a 16-0 team, lead them for 15 games and go 11-5, only to take over a 0-1 team and take them to 0-15.

Only the Chiefs.

Yeah, brilliant. You see how lame that was, exactly my point. A bunch of whining babies. Wah wah.

The team sucks did anyone expect Cassel to play great coming of a knee injury throwing to a WR they just signed 5 days before the game?

Have you seen him play those 8 games? He sucks.

How is anyone defending Brodie Croyle?

He can't stay healthy...he IS NEVER going to be a franchise QB...he's a lost cause.

Plain and simple.

He did not PLAY GOOD against the Ravens...by any means...I don't care what the box score says...he threw a TD after a great play by Derrick Johnson...and he led a drive against a prevent "I dare you to" Ravens defense who made a mockery of our "offense" for 50+ minutes until we finally did something...

How many ****ing 1st downs did we have through the first three quarters?

I mean...

ARE WE KIDDING HERE?

Jesus...

Personally, I think the guy has all the talent in the world to succeed, IF and only IF he can stay healthy.

BTW, those teams sucked ****ing ass, with or without him.

Their is a valid point that his decision making was absolute dogshit, and is inexcusable.

Yeah, ok...we're going to go 0-16? ROFL

If we play the Raiders...last Sunday...at Arrowhead 10 times...we win 8 times. If you are dumb enough to think Haley isn't going to improve on that disaster on a team we TOTALLY outplayed over the course of this season...you are just nuts.

We'll win 4 games...at least. But if I had to guess...4-12.

He does suck and Cassel didn't look much better that is what I find concerning.

I think if Croyle could stay healthy he could still figure it out. It's a definite possibility. He hasn't even had enough consistent playing time to get to the point where the game slows down for him. But you could probably say the same thing about Cassel... he hasn't played enough games to be making that many sweeping judgments. But that's what people do anyway.

Yeah, because there's never been a QB in the history of league that's been a late bloomer for one reason or another.

:rolleyes:

Who are the 4 games we're going to win, I have to ask.

It's 1 game. I'd love to see what this board said about Trent Green his first season in Kansas City.

Well Barkley and Gabbert will be draft eligable by then. ;)

Nice attempt at backtracking, but no one buys it. Everyone knows who was there at 3.

FTR, it's pretty easy to see through you: you're basically a meeker version of doomy3. You're just too cool for the room, but rather than being overt about it, you just cloak it in passive aggressiveness.

And after everything we know, that trade sucked, we never won a playoff game and now we have no QB for the 11th ****ing pick.

That's irrelevant.

The Chiefs don't play the Raiders eight more times this season.

They play them once more, in Oakland.

By the time they get back there, it's possible they're so beat up and so dejected after facing Dallas, the Giants, Philly, San Diego and Pittsburgh that there's no gas left in the tank to beat the Raiders.

ROFL


I'm willing to give some levity to the injury. That's a legitimate point. Whatever the case may be, we've got a whole season to watch events unfold.

Damon Huard had those "shitty" teams 4-3 before LJ got hurt...and Croyle proceeded to do what?

Lose.

He even had to be taken out of the Lions game (for getting hurt again) only to see Huard almost lead them to a comeback...

Croyle ISN'T good...he'll never win a game for us...he might be capable of not losing a game (a la the Ravens)...but when/if we ever need him to win a game...he won't do it.

Cassel showed last year he can do it...and I don't care if he had playmakers around him...isn't that what we should be doing? Just because we don't have any of those this year (outside of Bowe) doesn't mean he won't have any in 2010...2011...and beyond.

This is a year to build a little chemistry...get the organization set up internally...and then build from there...

the fact that these bullshit threads that speculate for a 'never will be' QB in KC is just filled with a bunch of unhappy 40 year old idiots who don't get laid/don't want to be laid unhappy fools with wives who can't lay off of the Ben & Jerry's...

Not winning a playoff game was Trent Greens fault? and 9-11 was done by the government.

And here is the #1 reason I didn't like that trade we traded for a 27 year old QB that is now having rookie kid glove lines used about him "he needs more experience, he hasn't played that much" all of that.

Bullshit you trade for a guy who's 27 he doesn't get development time you want development time draft a 22 year old.

We used the 11th pick on a QB and got 5 good years out of him that resulted in no playoff wins and 1 playoff appearance.

Shitty deal.

TrInt sucked ass his first season.

And quite frankly, the trade was a complete and utter failure.

Unless Trent Green was protected by four All-Pro offensive lineman and a great running back, he curled up into a little ball of pain.

He was a ****ing waste of a draft pick and a waste of five years of my time.

How the **** has this idiot lasted this long on this board? Seriously?

the same Raiders who should have beat the Chargers?

It's the NFL, dude...we almost beat the Ravens with a backup QB...the same Ravens who might be the odds on favorite to win the AFC...

It's the NFL, dude...

We're going to win more than one game...even if we have to stumble into it...

4 or 5 is more than realistic...

I mean...0-1 is 50 times more unrealistic than 7 or 8...that's how certain I am that we'll win 2 games (at least)...

He likes to party

That wasn't Trent Greens fault that was Carl Peterson and for all his drafting that was a good deal considering he or Vermiel would have ****ed it away on a player like Ryan Pickett.

yep, his 3 to 4 years of leeway are over. So if he gets thrashed about commiting dumb mistakes he'll further prove that he's a game manager and nothing more.

you just called a perfect play/perfect pass/perfect catch a "slop-bucket" because you want desperately to be accepted by hamas jenkins...

and I'm the idiot?

Well...at least I'm not a leech/poser...I'd rather be an idiot than a ****ing lackey...

Well as dumb as he is, I hope he likes to suck dick through a glory hole.

The Chiefs have been a joke for along time it was Carl Petersons shitty drafting. I'm not going to write Cassel off nor should you. Even if the Chiefs drafted Sanchez this team would suck and like you said it's going to take a few years to get talent.

It's just complete shit to watch people hold Trent up as a standard when in reality even the deal for him sucked.

Green was a great guy and everyone liked him but he was the product of what was around him. Almost any QB could have produced in that situation if you put Drew Bledsoe behind that line he might have broke a passing record.

You ARE an idiot ****ing lackey.

Cassel is 27 that's the issue with this a 27 year old QB is entering his prime, this shouldn't be "oh well he needs 2 years of development time" He isn't a draft pick.

He in no way should be treated with kid gloves or like a rookie.

The Chargers won.

No, we didn't. The Chiefs gave up 500 yards and 38 points to a team that played a sloppy football game. The final score, just like so many games last year, was an illusion that meant nothing.

It's the NFL, dude...

We might. I'm not counting on it but I truly hope so.

Not to me. I hope I'm wrong.

My prediction was 2-14, with our first win against Cleveland. I'm hoping that still holds true but the dysfunction that appears to be coming out of One Arrowhead Drive has me concerned.

Yea but thats what this business is all about producing. Look i'm not saying trading a 1st rounder for a 30 year old QB is a good deal but the organization was such shit I'd rather spend money on a productive QB then a guy who'll always suck.

Not really. If I took this place 1% seriously, then yes. But I don't care. I just have a very dark sense of humor. The things that irritate most people I find funny.

I'd have a hard time believing that someone as smart as DaneMcCloud would think that RAISED ON RIOTS has more life potential than me...

Are you ****ing kidding me?

At least I can form my own opinions. At least I don't leech around threads begging for acceptance from hamas jenkins.

I used to think the talking can was an idiot and I thought he always had the wrong opinion about the Chiefs...we always disagreed...

Fast forward two years and everything he says is spot on...he's the voice of reason on this site...when I agree with someone, I agree...I don't care if it is hamas/dane/OTWP/tk13/talking can or *gulp* the idiot ROR...but at least I don't leech around hamas and cherry pick his opinions/thoughts as my own.

So I guess if I'm an idiot at least I'm not pathetic enough to beg for acceptance on chiefsplanet.com...

I'm not writing him off.

But I will discuss his shortcomings on Sundays.

That's PRIME AGE. You hit the ****ing ground running and you don't stop. And isn't that the reason we went with this guy to begin with?

It was a joke.

Lighten up, Bro.

And this attitude is why we suck now, people that wanted to trade all our picks because "we can't draft anyway" what kinda defeatest attitude is that?

So he should produce right away? You can't have your cake and eat it too. Brady, Manning, whoever would suck with this team look at the talent. The Chiefs still put up 400 yards of offense, first game for Cassel and only Haleys 2nd game coaching. Lets wait before we label them anything.

I had to listen to all this shit about how Cassel started for a year in the NFL he's ready, he's not a rookie blah blah blah and now the rookie excuses come out.

Remember, we're the unhappy ones, here.

weeks 6, 7, 9 and 10 are winnable...

IMO

But whatever...I don't even care about wins and losses...I just wish this dipshittery would go away...every year...we already knew we were going to suck...

If Mark Sanchez was our starting QB...we'd still be 0-2.

It's not a defeatest attitude it was the reality of the Chiefs. This organization wasn't going anywhere with Carl Peterson. The guy had 13 draft picks in 2008and its fair to say most of them suck. I expect different from this regime.

Yes, that's the nature of the NFL when it comes to Cassel's age and experience.

I don't think Manning would suck with any team because he's great but that's not the debate Cassel will never be Manning.

The debate is I will not judge him like a rookie or treat him with inexperienced learning the game rookie gloves, if they wanted to do that we should have drafted a QB.

You trade for a guy who's 27 he's suppose to be ready to go RIGHT NOW he does not get 2 years of a free pass for being a young guy.

Your opinions are those of an uneducated ass. I wouldn't trust you to grill a ****ing hot dog.
I might however trust you to shove one up your ass in a display of drunken bravado.

it's 1 ****ing game! I guess Bear fans shoulda wrote off Jay Cutler too.

Jay Cutler is younger than Matt Cassel is there's some perspective for ya.

I've seen one of the girls you've been linked to...

I'd be unhappy, too...

but instead I have a whole cast of 19 year olds who are dumber than ROR ready to blow me whenever I send them a text...so life is good for me (until Sunday)...

Against the Raiders, WTF will he do against the Eagles, Cowboys, and Giants

No hes a veteran and veterans should come in and do good day 1. Mecca i'm sorry but theres not any logic to your argument. Your basis is off 1 game and a team you claim has no talent. So you expect a QB to succeed with no talent?

I dont know since 3rd down conversations are your hot button, he has been great at that this year. And more than half have been over 10 yards.