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DeezNutz 09-28-2009 10:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Chief Faithful (Post 6121965)
Warpath, is it your contention that penalties is the complete and absolute measure of the discipline of a football team?

What about route running discipline? What about discipline with blocking assignments? What about filling lanes and keeping assignments?

Anyone who has played the game knows discipline is more than penalty stats.
I agree with your list. Some of these things are hard to quantify, though.

That said, did we look disciplined in week 1 when we gave up over 500 yards of offense? How about last Sunday, giving up, what?, 400+?

Mecca 09-28-2009 10:25 PM
Basically if the Chiefs play even a good offensive team they give up about 450 yards.

Chief Faithful 09-28-2009 10:26 PM
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Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 6121957)
This isn't quite as effective as the penalty statistics because last year we didn't even have a QB playing the position. I'd sure hope the INT numbers would be down with our new "franchise" player.

And we've only played 2.5 games thus far this season, so that affects the numbers, too.
Sure, penalty stats jump out, but often high penalty stats are an indication of being out matched physically and I believe that is more the case so far this year. For example, I don't see a lot of personal fouls. Although I'm not happy about the off-sides penalties on offense. Then again neither is Haley.

Chief Faithful 09-28-2009 10:35 PM
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Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 6121974)
I agree with your list. Some of these things are hard to quantify, though.

That said, did we look disciplined in week 1 when we gave up over 500 yards of offense? How about last Sunday, giving up, what?, 400+?
Sure it is hard to quantify. Another telling stat would be number of long running and passing plays.

In week 1 I saw a team that just got physically dominated. Philly was too strong in the defensive front 7 and they just executed well on offense. Again, both an issue of talent, experience, and strength of opponent, which is what I believe is the Chiefs real problem. For example, they only have 4 weeks with Haley as the OC. Did you know that the three teams that fired their OC the last week of the preseason are a combined 1-8 record?

I believe as they get more time together and the schedule softens they may find 3 or 4 wins.

Chief Faithful 09-28-2009 10:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 6121992)
Basically if the Chiefs play even a good offensive team they give up about 450 yards.
Yeah, and I believe they will face another good offense this week.

SAUTO 09-29-2009 06:53 AM
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Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry (Post 6121519)
Here is what we got rid from the final roster (IR Included)

NFL
Tony Gonzalez - Falcons
Turk McBride - Lions
Andrew Carnhanan - Giants (IR)
Adrian Jones - Texans
Jason Babin - Eagles
Alfonso Boone - Chargers
Benard Pollard - Texans

Cut in NFL Training Camp
Damon Huard
Will Franklin
Rocky Boiman
Connor Barth
Brian Johnston

Cut from Chiefs Training Camp
Jeff Webb
Herb Taylor
Damion McIntosh
Weston Dacus

UFL
Quinn Gray
Tavares Washington
Oliver Celestin

Not in Training Camp
Kevin Robinson
Michael Merritt
Pat Thomas
Curtis Gatewood
David Macklin
Patrick Surtain
JP Darche
Donnie Edwards
so 27 by my count

Chief Faithful 09-29-2009 07:45 AM
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Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO (Post 6122451)
so 27 by my count
I am stunned that Adrian Jones is still in the NFL.

OnTheWarpath15 09-29-2009 08:34 AM
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Originally Posted by Chief Faithful (Post 6121965)
Warpath, is it your contention that penalties is the complete and absolute measure of the discipline of a football team?

What about route running discipline? What about discipline with blocking assignments? What about filling lanes and keeping assignments?

Anyone who has played the game knows discipline is more than penalty stats.
No, that's not my contention at all.

But the numbers you posted are ridiculously skewed, and IMO, show nothing resembling improvement when it comes to discipline.

You're trying to show that the OL is more disciplined because they gave up more sacks, but don't take into consideration that the immobile Damon Huard was playing in the first two games (after Croyle's injury) and then the 3rd string Thigpen in the 3rd game.

The same argument can be made for the INT stats. They are horribly skewed.

Personally, I think this OL is WORSE than last year, and I have no idea how anyone can try to claim that this team ins more disciplined regardless of how you would like to define it.

htismaqe 09-29-2009 11:45 AM
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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 6122629)
No, that's not my contention at all.

But the numbers you posted are ridiculously skewed, and IMO, show nothing resembling improvement when it comes to discipline.

You're trying to show that the OL is more disciplined because they gave up more sacks, but don't take into consideration that the immobile Damon Huard was playing in the first two games (after Croyle's injury) and then the 3rd string Thigpen in the 3rd game.

The same argument can be made for the INT stats. They are horribly skewed.

Personally, I think this OL is WORSE than last year, and I have no idea how anyone can try to claim that this team ins more disciplined regardless of how you would like to define it.
Good post.

Chief Faithful 09-29-2009 01:13 PM
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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 6122629)
No, that's not my contention at all.

But the numbers you posted are ridiculously skewed, and IMO, show nothing resembling improvement when it comes to discipline.

You're trying to show that the OL is more disciplined because they gave up more sacks, but don't take into consideration that the immobile Damon Huard was playing in the first two games (after Croyle's injury) and then the 3rd string Thigpen in the 3rd game.

The same argument can be made for the INT stats. They are horribly skewed.

Personally, I think this OL is WORSE than last year, and I have no idea how anyone can try to claim that this team ins more disciplined regardless of how you would like to define it.
I'm not contending the OL is more disciplined because they have given up fewer sacks. I am contending that the coaching is better and it shows on the field. The example about sacks was to offset you contention that the penalty stats were proof positive that the team is not more disciplined.


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