nothing better than a KU loss......

And hey, at least I'm not a ****ing bandwagoner like everybody else in this ****ing fanbase.

The expectations have to be lowered considerably, though. It might come down to the Thanksgiving game against MU for bowl eligibility.

Yeah and if Banks didn't drop an easy six and didn't get tripped up you could have said the same about the Cats in the first half. Only difference is the Cats actually did do something with their chances. Doesn't matter now. Game, set, match. Look at that beautiful Wabash Cannonball! Order is restored in the Sunflower Showdown. Hope KU enjoyed their time while it while it lasted. Put Mangino down for another sub .500 Big 12 season. You gotta think at some point that guy is got to be on the hot seat. One Big 12 winning record season in what 8 years? That's gonna be one big hot seat.
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No question KSU earned this win...but reesing hurt them big time

Should be a fun game

No bowl game for KU... even if KU beats Neb. & Mizzou too many teams in the Big XII & nationally will have 7+ wins.

But he did, and KU had the lead before Reesing's stupid ass play.

Mangino won this team an Orange Bowl 2 years ago...he's not going anywhere for a long time.

Are you some kind of reerun? You don't think 7 wins in the Big 12 will get you a bowl game?

I would save your bragging until you actually beat Baylor. Looking a bit tight there right now.

Could be Reesing's last game if they lose that one.

basketball time

Nice game, good luck to KSU and KU in all their remaining games.

IMO KU has to win out to get to a bowl. Too many teams will end up with 7+ wins and KU ain't "sexy" enough to take an at large spot left by a conference not being able to fill all of their slots.

This no 6-6 will go bowling, unless they are conference champs, and IMO they will be a few 7-4 teams from BCS conferences who will not go bowling.

I never said anything about MU, I said KU is out of it.

BTW, MU is up 27-16 since you are concerned.

Actually it's feasible that the Big 12 gets enough teams eligible to have all the tie ins taken and still have a team not get a bowl. IMO KU is the odd team out.

If their AD can get them into a BCS a couple of years ago when they shouldn't have, he can get them a bowl game this year.

What in the hell happened to KU's offense? And Todd Reesing? And our running game? And the disciplined, hard-nosed football that we once knew and loved under Mangino?

Argh. So frustrating that this team continues to shoot itself in the foot week after week. Take care of the ball and we're probably 7-1.

That being said, I'm with this team to the end. They've brought me a lot of joy as a long-suffering Jayhawk football fan. This season is definitely taxing considering the expectations that were placed on this team, though. :(

To the 'Fieldhouse

Unfortunately for KU, this may be their last chance a being a good team for a few years. I don't see a ton of talent coming up in the most important position: QB.

I love KU basketball, no doubt, but I sat through many heartbreaking and downright ugly games during the Terry Allen years. I'm no flake.

Rock Chalk.

Netraul observation but as someone who dismissed Synder as a PR stunt I have to admit he has done a great job~

As a cynical KSU fan, I have to agree. I am very suprised of the results so far.

Well when you've been a perennial loser I don't think one aberration of a season sustains your job forever. Dude has one winning season in the Big 12. Hey I at least give you credit for being a loyal fan when the rest of the bandwagon KU fans are silent and absent today even if you are unrealistic, but alot of die hard fans can be and I've been there myself a time or two. Just not to the level of stupidity that you've taken it to today. Hey basketball season is under way and KU is for real in that. I'm already bracing myself for the scrotum licking that's on its way when the KU bandwagoners show back up for basketball season.
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There were a shitload of bandwagon KSU fans, too.

KU has had more then one winning season, FWIW.


As a KSU fan, I am glad that the Cats are doing well, but please don't skew the facts of other teams.

This year...YES. The big 12 already has 10 teams with 5+ wins (everyone but Baylor and Colo). The Big 12 only has 8 spots (9 if ther get 2 teams in the BCS - AIN'T GONNA HAPPEN THIS YEAR).

If 9 teams end up w/7 wins (I now its a small probability but could happen), a 7-win Big 12 team could be odd-man out.

6 wins will not get a Big 12 team to a bowl game this year,

I've heard it said here before, but Reesing's sr. season is looking a LOT like Chase Daniel's. There almost has to be something amiss with him...some nagging injury. I loathe kU, but I know Reesing is a much better QB than he's been showing.

Snyder is a hell of a coach; what he did to pull KSU out of the depths of suckitude was nothing short of amazing. This season he's really coaching up a rag-tag squad that has a few very good pieces but not much else. Credit to him for that.

Now, if anyone sees KU's once-prolific offense, let me know where it went...

Agreed about the parallels to Daniel's senior year.

According to Mangino, Reesing has been struggling with a groin injury since the CU game. He's definitely not scrambling as well and he's throwing balls in the dirt a lot, not to mention the turnovers. I've never seen him like this and if it is indeed mostly due to his injury, he should be pulled for Pick. Give the new kid some experience since the season is essentially over anyways.

Chase didn't look this bad, and he still put up a 72% completion rate, 4,335 yards and 39 TDs, which is still amazing numbers. Reesing currently only has a 64% completion rate, only has 2,400 yds and 16 TDs. And his team will not win 10 games and the Big 12 North.

When Snyder had those mediocre years his team didn't have good athletes on the offensive line even though they were highly ranked by stupid rivals.com.

Now, let's see how many KU oral commitments he plucks away in the next 3 months.

MU is going to blow their lead if they don't get their shit together

You do realize that KU hasn't been a perennial loser at all compared to what they were before Mangino came here, right? They won an Orange Bowl and have been in several bowl games, which is all anybody asks for. What the hell are you expecting exactly?

KU had 7 wins last year and easily got into a bowl game. Stop making yourself look stupid.

27-26 now, evidently.

Not reading back very far, but since I see people talking about basketball, I'm assuming KU lost?

Even if your opinion was valid, there are 3 games remaining, and KU is facing 2 teams that they will be in competition with for those spots. Which is why I said the final game would likely be important for their bowl eligibility.

Wow, are you always this slow?

I'd say quit making yourself look like an asshole, but I know you can't help it.

Congrats Cat fans. What a disapointing season this is turning into.
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Notorious I appreciate you seeming to be a good person, a level headed fair guy, and a K State fan but I was being objective and wasn't skewing any facts. You may need to check your facts bud. KU has had one winning Big 12 season under Mangino. It was 2007 and they went 7-1. Given that FACT I think it's fair to talk about him being on the hot seat and calling that season an aberration. Given their previous record before 2007 and then failing to have a winning conference record the subsequent year the 2007 season much like the Royals in 2003 would be the most appropriately defined as an aberration. That is a non-bias factual observation.
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Using logic equates to being an asshole now?

7 win (and even 6 win) teams in the Big 12 generally make bowl games...I didn't think that was too difficult to understand.

They go back to having an easy schedule next year. They'll be alright for that reason most of all.

Maybe you should look at what the KU program was like before Mangino came here.

At the bottom of the conference? How's that different than this year?

Agree, comparing Reesing's senior season so far to Daniel's senior season is laughable.

Daniel had more passing yards, more TDs, and a better completion rate his senior year than he did in his junior year, and he led his team to another Big 12 North title.

Meanwhile, Reesing is on pace to have less yards, a worst completion percentage, less TDs, and more INTs than last year, all while leading ku to a complete collapse of a season when they were predicted to win the North.

It may be time for Lew to bring in his own guy.
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I believe the big 12 did not have enough teams gain bowl eligibility last year (thanks to K-State losing to Fresno State on the last weekend) so whether KU had 6 or 7 wins was moot as the Big XII could not fill all of its slots.

That appears not to be the case this year as the Big 12 has 10 teams with 5+ wins. The only rule about bowl selection is that no 6 win teams may be selected before all 7+ win teams have received bowl invites. My point is that there may be more Big 12 teams with 7+ wins than bowls with Big XII ties. (The bowls have contracts with confrences.)

I know the chances of this happening is small and for it to happen, certain games would have to break a certain way. (K-State for example would need to lose to Mizzou but beat Neb. Neb. would need to beat OU & Colo. but lose to K-State.

Yeah I'm sure their 1-4 conference record is purely a product of their schedule. Less talent and a rookie QB next year......to the ship! Ah derr
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So you are suggesting they fire him 2 years after going to the Orange Bowl? Even though, their recruiting has gotten much better, and they've been winning more games than ever before. Do you have any idea how nonsensical that is?

"History Awaits."

When you don't have to face OU and UT in the same season, the schedule gets easier, yeah. I didn't think that was too tough to understand.

You jumping off the bandwagon too, eh?

He's got 1 winning conference record in 8 attempts. That shouldn't be acceptable.

They haven't even gotten to Texas yet. They couldn't beat Colorado, what makes you think they'll beat A&M and OSU?

Umm...according to whose standards? This is a basketball school and it always will be a basketball school. There are no expectations for success of the football program. Nobody gives a shit.

I never said they would. You keep trying to paint me as some kind of homer for some reason.

I beg to differ. The last 3 times KU beat KSU every single KU fan on the planet made sure to let KSU fan know that it was important.


A few hours after dropping one to KSU, KU fan says they don't give a shit.


I am calling massive bullshit on this one.

Oh give me a ****ing break, you beakers couldn't keep your pieholes shut when you were having your dream season in 2007.

It's human nature that any fan acts this way in this situation.


They were out of their element with a good football team, cared enough to talk shit when things were going right, but when the bottom falls out,"Who gives a shit, we are a basketball school."

LOL give us a ****ing break.

Aaaand there it is.

The way I see it, Nebraska is still a slight favorite to win the North. It'll come down to the game in Lincoln. But with a win next week, KSU becomes bowl eligible. That's the real goal.

Would have never thought that before the season. Good to see, though.

Still fully expect to lose both games. Have no expectations.

I would be lying if I said I don't have expectations

I expect them to show up and play hard, but I don't expect wins. Not yet anyway.


We have to remember that Snyder brought in two excellent Coordianators.

That is where successful football is achieved if you don't have 5 and 4 star recruits to work with.

KSU became bowl eligible today, beating Neb. gives them 7 wins.

No they didn't. They played two FCS teams. They are theoretically only 5-4.

That's called bandwagon jumping.

They've never given a shit. If people gave a shit, people would have been been filling up the stadiums before 2007. But they weren't. Now the KU football program will go back to the hole where it came from unless they give them something to cheer about next year. I don't expect a full crowd next week.

Are you suggesting that KU isn't a basketball school? Or that KU's football program has actual standards of success?

Which one?

Completely agree. Which is why if the Big 12 gets 9 teams eligible, KU will be the odd team out. Especially after the stadium is 1/4 Nebraska fans next week.

I give a shit, you asshole. That's why I'm still here defending them. I'm just telling you the general sentiment about the football program in Lawrence. It hasn't changed.

And I'm saying...wait until 3 weeks from now and see what ****ing happens. KU may not even get to 6 wins.

WARM. UP. THE. TRACTOR.

Good game, gents.

You have yet to explain to me what rational reason there is to fire Mangino.

Not being able to field a team capable of going .500 in league play?

I'm a hardcore KU football fan but still acknowledge the fact that KU is and always will be a basketball-first university, not only because of success, but heritage - which holds the most weight.

It's the opposite with a school like Texas, for example. Texas is and always will be a football-first school regardless of the success of their basketball program. Now that I think of it, a better comparison may be OU.

Either way, I'll continue to root equally hard for both the football and basketball teams. One may breed a lot more success, but hey, they're both KU so they both matter to me.

Also, if KU could do BIG Brother KSU a small solid and just go ahead and beat NU next week, I'd allow you to sit at my Thanksgiving table.

Thanks,

Will

2 years after an Orange Bowl we're just going to fire the guy? Even though he's provided several winning seasons in a row and improved recruiting significantly from where it was when he got here? How is that not a ****ed up idea?

Was going to cross that bridge after the game next week. Just thinking the thought made me gag.

And what do you think about this ridiculous idea of firing Mangino?