I've often wondered if it hurts to be stupid.

Can you tell me if there's physical pain involved?

Thanks in advance!

Their line is not that good. Big Ben makes them look a lot better because they run quite a few spread sets and, more importantly, he's the hardest QB in the league to take down. Better than the Chiefs', but it's not good.

Didn't answer the point did you, moron?
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The "The Chiefs suck because of Cassel" crowd simply amazes me. They have deluded themselves into thinking if Roethlisburger or Manning or Brady were the qb that the Chiefs would be a decent team. Ok, morons,whatever
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Neither did you, moron.

:rolleyes:

The Steelers line sucks ass and has for years. Their running game has been stuck in neutral this season.

The Steelers are 15th in the league in rushing offense.

Dude.

Roethlisberger has had horrible offensive lines, but has excelled because he is impossible to tackle. He has taken a beating for most of his career.

Manning and Brady have the two quickest releases in the game. And you can't blitz them because they will hot read the shit out of you if you so much as leave an inch of open space. Brady had the same offensive line as Cassel, and it was like night and day.

Look, I've been as patient as anybody with Cassel and as tough as anybody on the supporting cast. But you're trying to act like the three best QBs in the game wouldn't do anything with this team? You're outside your mind.

Oh sweet pea, you know my laundry list goes deeper than Jack Wrassle.

But thanks for playing!

Anyone trying to say the Steelers OL is even close to being as bad as Chiefs OL is a total dumbass. How did Mendenhell just blow through the Broncos last night? How did they win the effen Super Bowl? This is like idiots comparing what Elway had in Denver to work with to this. Do you guys understand your team, the Chiefs, suck shit? And from what I've seen the coach does as well? And Pioli hasn't done so hot giving Cassel any help. The QB is the last person I would hang this season on but football morons will always focus solely on the quarterback.
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Refreshing. Glory be. Its not all Cassels fault.
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I'll ask again because you failed to answer: Is is painful to be stupid?

Physically speaking.

Are you out of your ****ing mind? First of all, no shit, Cassel is not Brady or Manning and nobody ever said he was. Those guys make a lot more than 60 million. second, if you think Brady or Manning win more than 5 games with this total shit team you are totally insane.
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While everything you said is true, they still went through similar phases as Cassels current one to get where they are now.

This also.

Big Ben has been sacked 45+ times in the last 3 seasons and is on pace to do it for the 4th season in a row.

No, the Steelers' line isn't as bad as the Chiefs'. But you're dead wrong if you think they're any good. And again, Brady has played behind the same offensive line as Cassel and is on pace to get sacked 25+ times less than Cassel.

I don't disagree that too much blame is being put on the QB. But you're trying to use three QBs who are in a class of their own to make your point is a horrible decision.

Since you can't answer with anything that has to do with football I'll just have to go along with others here that you are just a total ass hole.
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No no no don't you know it doesn't count because they were 22 and Cassel is 27????
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LMAO

So, uh, when should we expect Cassel to "get through his phase"?

I'm not the one bringing up the Bens and Mannings and Bradys. You guys are. "Well Ben has a rotten line and he....."
Again, NO SHIT Brady has been sacked less. He's Tom Brady.
Sorry. You dont win a Super Bowl with a bad offensive line.
And to compare the Steelers OL with the Chiefs OL is moronic.
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Because you're the dumbass acting like the best QBs in the game couldn't win games behind the Chiefs' o-line. I'm a Cassel supporter, and even I think that's horribly off.

Ideally you want your franchise QB to be young and groom him at a young age.. but Cassel isn't just going to skip that phase because hes 27. Some players are late bloomers, that doesn't mean they can't be anything special. Maybe hes just our answer at QB for five-ten years instead of ten-fifteen, oh well.

With this shit team how much better do you expect him to get? Name me any qb ever who got a whole lot done with such a bad team and please don't be stupid and try to say John Elway.

I think you guys are in some kind of denial how bad this team is. Its like, if you put it on all on the qb it gives you some hope.

The Chiefs are an awful football team. And if Pioli doesn't get them to .500 by the end of 2010 its on him.
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Sure they can win games. About 5. Because football isn't a one man sport.
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Seriously. Stop.

The 80s-early 90s Broncos were largely comprised of horse shit teams, but that's beside the point.

It's the ultimate team sport, and Cassel plays the key position. He must be a prime mover, not just another part.

What do I expect? A hell of a lot more than what he's shown, which has been limited at best.

And this team will not be .500 by the end of next season, so I think you're setting yourself up for disappointment. But, incidentally, who is responsible for the construction of the current roster?

You seriously have no idea how bad your football team is. They are like an expansion team. And you expect a qb to single handidly make them, what, 8-8??
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I ask again; what was the Casshole sales-pitch against drafting a rookie?

You're preaching to the choir. Few people have complained about the supporting cast and the shitty situation Cassel has had to deal with than I have.

But in Tom Brady, you're talking about a quarterback who takes 20-30 sacks less behind the same exact o-line as Cassel, AND was a pro bowl, Super Bowl QB throwing to receivers like Jabar Gaffney and Reche Caldwell. You're talking about a QB like Big Ben, who takes the biggest beating of any QB in the league and has thrived despite an o-line that gives up 45+ sacks. And you're talking about Peyton Manning, the best QB in the game who runs his own offense and gets rid of the ball and recognizes blitzes better than any QB in the game. You say they could only win 5 games all season. All three of those QBs would have easily beat Oakland, Washington, Dallas, and Jacksonville with our supporting cast.

I like Cassel and am willing to wait. But when you undermine the credibility of three QBs that are hands down the best in the game, you're going 100 steps too far.

Let me guess, since you expected a Super Bowl this year I suppose you think its 100 percent Pioli. Yeah, it was Pioli who made all those draft picks the last 10 years. No, I'm not thrilled with his not addressing the offense more. But you have to give the GM at least a couple of years for Petes sake. But did you take in what I said, if they aren't .500 by the end of next season then its fair to get all over the guy.
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I don't know, I wasn't part of that. I was going solely from what I saw last year and what I've seen this year the rare occassions his dumbass coach let him air it out.
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Fine. Its all Cassels fault for not being Peyton Manning. If he was Peyton Manning, which he should be for making all that money, the Chiefs would be a playoff team. Its all Matt Cassels fault. There. I'm an idiot Chiefs fan now.
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Good lord man, really? This is what you throw back to this board as answers?

Christ, you're the dumbass that keeps saying Peyton Manning couldn't win more than 5 games with the Chiefs. Stop skirting around your idiotic Chiefs comment.

As much as you're on this board, I'm not sure how you're still making these types of statements.

Feel free to hang out exclusively with your ultra-evolved, highly football-intelligent Patriot fans.

I really wish you could get it through your pea-sized brain to realize it wasn't about "drafting a rookie." It was about drafting Mark Sanchez. Many, myself included, simply didn't think he was worth the pick. I still believe that.

This thread and all of the zombies statements remind me of one of my favorite sayings:

"never argue with an idiot, they will just drag you down to their level and beat you with experience."

Of course you do.

I was not a Sanchez supporter one bit, but I bet he ends up a much better qb than Cassel. I hope this ends up being dead wrong.

This team has about a billion more problems before QB

I can understand your position. I mean, what was there to like?

here we go:

I wasn't on board because of the bust factor of him only having such a small sample to go off in college, he also played on a very talented team.

This is also why I didn't like the Cassel acquisition in the first place.

To be honest, I wanted to sign Jeff Garcia and wait till next year to draft a QB. I hoped Gailey would stick and that we would draft Bradford this year with our first.

I was torn about our first rounder and taking Jackson to force the 3-4 was disapointing, but change was in order. Drastic change.

I would have rather drafted Orakpo and Mauluga with our top two and go with that plan at qb, than do what we did. No, that isnt saying that is what I wanted to do, just that it would have been better than what we did IMHO.

Orakpo(yeah I said it)
Dorsey
Tank
Hali

DJ
Rey
Williams

Flowers
Morgan
Pollard
Carr


is better than

Dorsey
Edwards
Jackson

Hali
Williams
Mays
Vrabel

Flowers
Morgan
Brown
Carr


...easily IMHO and that would have been a failure of a draft, but at least would have made us better immediately and long term as well. At least that defense could pressure opposing qbs and play good rush defense.

Pair that to an upgraded mobile qb that has good leadership and veteran presence and spend some money on Jason Brown and use some picks between rounds 3-5 on olinemen and another receiver to pair with Bowe and keep Tony G.

That puts the offense at
Garcia/Thigpen/Croyle
Cox
LJ/Charles/Battle/Kolby

Albert/Taylor
Waters/draft pick
Brown/Wade Smith
Rudy/draft pick
Taucher/fa

Tony G/Cottam/fa
Bowe
draft pick

We might have a chance at winning a few with that lineup.

What do I know.

I'm down with going the route of Sanchez/Garcia. I think that would have been a good combination of stop-gap/mentor, and building for the future. I do but I don't understand the concept of throwing these guys out on the field in their rookie years like Detroit and NYJ have done. It wouldn't have killed either of those guys to sit this year, especially Stafford. But what's done is done.
You can't look at what Mark has done and not be impressed. Even with the bumps in the road, the NFL learning-curve, and the lumps he's taken, the kid absolutely refuses to roll over and wilt.
As to the rest of our 09 draft and direction of the team, you should ask Hamas to re-post his board; it'll make you ****ing cringe and bang your head at how awesome and complete it is.

I see eye to eye with Hamas more than any other poster on the board on most issues since I have been here. We dont agree on everything, but I respect his opinion more than most on here, that is for sure! I am also sure he watches more college ball than me so his opinion on matters reguarding the players in the draft should hold a lot more weight than mine would if I doubled how much I watch college ball outside of a few teams.

You could definitely say take out Orakpo from my "bad example" and place Sanchez on the bench behind Garcia. I could see that. I wouldnt be against it 100% But it would be handcuffing us to him no matter what and I think that if we kept gailey, we also kept the "Arrowspread" and that Bradford would be a much better fit than Sanchez would be to it. JMO I may be wrong.

We need/ed a pass rusher and Orakpo was the best one out there and would have at least fit a need is all I am really saying.

Its really disappointing/disturbing to think how many different directions we could have gone other than the one we did.

Well here's the thing, and I believe this to be true; Pioli was less interested in a build or "rebuild" than he was in trying to introduce a paradigm-shift to the operation as a whole.
Unfortunately, many things were underplayed, unnoticed, and quite frankly neglected as a result.
These guys are in a ****ing hole and desperately trying to get out of it.
Not because they suck, not because they have no talent or the proper mentoring necessary to begin the new jobs and task that they've undertaken, but because their first consensus as a partnership was the Wrong Call.
Fortunately, we're in a good place cap-wise to start turning it around. But the reality is; this year is lost, and the upcoming off season is where it truly begins for the "new face" of this franchise.
On many fronts.

People here and elsewhere complain about "lack of patience". To accuse a Chiefs fan of having "no patience" is to call the Earth flat; it's an absolute ****ing joke.
Are you ****ing kidding me?!?!?
If Chiefs fans were a Monastic Order, we'd more than likely be named "Disciples of Job" for ****'s sake.
But that doesn't mean we have to sit idly by and just "hope that people know what they're doing", and that everything is going to be alright.

Besides, where's the fun in that?

I submit that this fan base needs to get a little tougher and darker; the festive era of 60's Chiefs are over and we're dealing with guys who are more or less straight-up east coast.
It's time for the Chiefs Nation to grow eyes in the back and sleep with one eye open.

milkman this is just soo wrong. i have watched it 20 times and he never slows down

Not reading all 14 pages of this, so if this has been said, who cares.

I wish everyone would get of everyone else's back.

This is a play that needs to be giffed.

i agree. there are so many people wrong about this. the pass was a rainbow. that part is right. BUT chambers never slowed down to catch it.


the rainbow part doesnt bother me so much because a lot of qbs throw the ball with that type of trajectory. but the pass was spot on the money

oh and paging clay, clay we need some giffin action page 14

No. But I do expect to see signs of improvement from game to game. 7 games of the same ol' same ol'. At what point can we start to question his abilities? I would say now. Not bashing yet... but most definately question.

Another 3 quarter performance like we have seen these first 7 weeks screams for a QB change in quarter number 4 IMO.

Maybe. Jury is still out on that one.

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-h...-yard-TD-catch

The last 7 seconds with the goal cam view is the best.

THANK YOU. the only time he stopped was at the line of scrimmage, looks to me like he thought the ball was going elsewhere and slowed up then saw it was out and had to get back on his horse. he was running FULL SPEED when that ball hit his hands

Great point.... other than the completely different offenses.

Cassel is doing what the plays dictate.

When the Chiefs went to the 2 minute offense, and Cassel could call his own plays.... he started throwing downfield.

Haley calls the games much more conservatively than Herm Edwards did.

His steps got choppy in order to not outrun that ball.

He had to slow down.

Even with the completion, this is one time in basically 7 games where he has even completed a long ball. High school QB's hit more than that with far less time on the field to develop "timing" than these guys have.

we will have to disagree here.
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Looks to me like and out-n-up route, that is why it appears he stops at the beginning of the route. You can see the corner bite on the out because of the tendency of our offense to focus on short passes. Good play call.

He has to adjust to the ball in the air, but doesnt seem to slow down much. People were saying he had to basically stop to catch it, that is just crazy.

I wonder how they compare to Trent in his first season.

"Making shit up" is fairly common around these parts though.
Perish the thought that you could give Cassel credit for the hookup with Chambers.

It doesn't help that we seem to drop about 3 catchable passes or more a game. No one knows how their hands actually work until 6 minutes left in the 4th quarter.

Bowe is starting to remind me of Willie Davis with smaller ears...

You can't mentor shit. Yeah, I'm sure CP would have embraced Jeff Garcia. I seem to remember at the time nothing but non stop ridicule of Jeff Garcia. And then I'm sure Chiefs fans would have enjoyed after watching Garcia for a year or two having Baby Jesus Sanchez come in and throw his 5 Interceptions and 112 yards. And I'm sure nobody would have been critical because "He's only 22!!!". Chiefs fans are patient like that.
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No no no nothing positive must ever be said about Cassel because it doesn't go along with the Mecca, OTWP,Milkman,Hamas,Dane NFL executives who speak as one voice for the Kansas City area.
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Oh brother, this is getting ****ing old about Bowe. His drops are the norm among #1 WR's. They are about the same as Andre Johnson, who everybody would love to have. Bowe comes up with the play when we need him to, end of story.

I'm starting to think that this fanbase hates good QBs and WRs b/c we've never had any worth a damn, and we're used to pimping mediocre to scrub level players at those positions.

Who are these great qbs the fanbase hates?
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Brady and Manning, for ex.

Yup. That pass to Sean Ryan on Sunday where the ball bounced off his chest is a prefect example of Bowe dropping yet another pass. There was another pass to a RB (I don't recall which) that would have netted a 1st that was muffed as well. I want to say Wade had a dropped pass as well but can't be sure.

The entire team has suspect hands.

Chambers is probably our most consistent WR and he has been with us for all of a week.

Who here hates Brady or Manning?
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HOLY SHIT HAMAS!!!!

HE HAD TO ****ING STOP TO MAKE THAT CATCH DIDNT HE?!?!?!?!?

****ing moron

Did you not see him slow his strides down so he wouldn't overrun that lollipop?

ROFL ROFL...

Look through the archives, son.

Well if anyone hates the play of Manning or Brady they are effen idiots.
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I saw a receiver tracking a ball, not one having to make some ridiculous adjustment that allowed the defender to catch up to the play.

Yeah, he slowed his stride... never broke stride.

Your argument was that he came nowhere near to hitting Chambers in stride... not that he had to make a small adjustment.

Heaven forbid that Cassel is not completely in sync with a guy that had been on the team for 4 ****ing days.

If you are going to argue a point, pick one where you don't have to embellish to prove it.

He actually sped up when he first looked back at the ball. All of the claims that he had to come to a virtual stop are plain BS. Some people didn't want Cassel and will never give him credit no matter what the circumstance.

some credit should go to Haley for the play call as well. The corner on the play bit on the out and the route was an out n up. Good play call to counter the opposing team jumping short routes all day.

I am not a big Haley fan at this point, but credit is due

Congratulations SAUTO; this by far and away your dumbest response to a post yet.

But by all means, keep working those super-awesome, kick-ass "original thoughts" of yours!
They're football gold. GOLD I SAY!ROFL

thats what i have said all along. IMO he didnt think the ball was coming his way and slowed his route. then when he ctually looked back he was like "oh shit!!!" and started running again to catch up to the ball.

can you even ****ing READ who you are ****ing quoting?