Considering the absolute shit show I became last night on a legal substance; I don't see a gatdamn reason why somebody shouldn't be able to smoke a bowl if they want to.

I'd like to keep 6th meal "cool" and off the Taco Bell ad campaigns.

Bingo.

Is it bad:?
Yes but not as bad as many others. Really no worse than tobacco and alchohol which are both legal.

Should it be legalized?
Yes so we can tax it instead of spending billions to keep it out of the country

Is it a gateway drug?
If I believed that I wouldn't have voted for legalization

Do only bad people smoke it?
Mostly harmless

Legalize but only tax it at the same rate as the sales tax on groceries.

:rockon:

since I'm moving back to Boston, that would rock! no tax on groceries there :thumb:

Never say never :D
laws are laxing up all over the USA and it would seem Canada as well every day :thumb:

has anybody tried K2?

it's legal (not for long) synthetic weed. They spray chemicals on it though, I don't trust it like I trust weed. It's not nearly as good of a high IMO, but it does the job for something that's legal and they don't test for it in drug tests.

Ever wonder why murderers, child molesters and other "real" criminals have to be let out early? Who are they making room for?

I understand some people have a need to control others and denying them a useful substance is a great avenue for that need. I tend to think though that they might possibly change their mind the first time they see a loved one or themselves suffer with cancer treatments that could have been helped if not for the fact it was illegal.

IMO, if I want to tell a consenting adult what to do to their own body in the privacy of their home, I better be willing for that same person to tell me what to do to my body in the privacy of my home. If not, I believe that would make me a hypocrit and a fraud.

I also believe we should only lock up people who deny rights to others. If I rob a bank after eating cashews, then I should be locked up for robbing the bank but that doesn't mean eating cashews should get the blame and thus be "illegal". That's just silly. Like drinking booze and driving. The driving part is what hurts others, not the drinking.

I do believe you are right. It's about money. And jobs. And even though I've never tried it doesn't mean I don't have an opinion. Because indeed I do have an opinion. See how that works?

I voted for legalization in this poll, but I categorize marijuana as a gateway drug. But so are tobacco and alcohol, IMO.

My gateway drug was marijuana. All the other stuff came later, and I did it all — in part — because I had such an enjoyable experience with marijuana.

I think it should be legal. I think while you're smoking it it doesn't seem all that bad, but I think it does affect your level of motivation and ambition.

yep one hit. TASTES LIKE SHITTTTTT!!!!!!

legalize it. Tax it. Farmers win, economy wins, dealers lose. What's not to like about that?

how can weed be a gateway drug??? I drank a beer and smoked a cig years before I smoked my first joint. Hell I was poppin sudafed at 8 years old for allergies.

Smoking it is bad for you; using a vaporizer is not.

I don't use it but I have no problem with people who do. If it were legalized and I had a vaporizer, I would probably partake every once in a while... like when I have the urge to play certain video games or see certain movies (Alice in Wonderland) :D

if it were legal how would anyone make money? Pot smokers arent goin to pay for pot in the long run.

This is a good point - some would pay extra for the good stuff, but the average person's going to get some seeds and grow it in his backyard/closet/wherever. The government would still have to make growing it illegal, which wouldn't make any logical sense beyond them just wanting to screw us.

There are too many forces aligned against legalization that would lose too much money. The government, the drug companies, the beer industry, and organized crime would all take it right in the ass, and those are just the ones I can think of off the top of my head.

Not to mention the prison industry.

Why not?

Yeah, just like all the cigarette/cigar smokers and tobacco chewers who grow they're own, right?

First time I smoked a cigarette I stuck the thing filter first in the stem of my bong. (There's an indication of the sort of clear thinking that marijuana use generates.)

It's possible.

Wouldn't that fall under government?

Marijuana is much, much easier to grow than tobacco.

There's quite a bit more processing involved in creating usable tobacco.

Sort of, but it's also a billion dollar private sector business.

ummm cause dirt,water, & sunshine makes weeds grow.

I don't know much about it, but curing tobacco is the big part of growing it that makes it next to impossible for the average Joe IIRC.

I didn't realize that. I just assumed they were run by the government. I guess I should have known better. :shake:

Basically you grow it, dry it and smoke it. Unless they added steps in the past 25 years or so that I'm unaware of.

Bullshit. Ive been to the heart of drug culture and never got caught up in any of that shit. Those who do are lookin for it anyway.

well you gotta sex it, trim it,and learn to tie it up. Other than that.....

About a month ago I made about a hundred pot cookies and sold them at $5 each (they were very potent - spent a lot of time making the butter properly). Every penny of the $500 I made went to the Haitian fund where the Canadian government matched my donation. :D

Prisons are overcrowded all over the US for minor shit like selling pot. If anything legalizing pot would help the prison systems.

500 profit?

My pot doesn't cost me anything. That's as far as I'll go on that subject.

The legal & social repercussions is the crux. never gonna happen.

i wouldnt have even gone that far.:spock:

it doesn't matter if they're overcrowded or not, somebody is being paid to warehouse these people.

There may be more home grown pot than home grown tobacco but there wouldn't be that much of it. It's easy to grow tomatoes and other vegetables, but I see a lot of people buying them in the grocery store, even in my semi-rural area where gardening is common. Convenience sells.

I'll agree with you to the extent that you wouldn't be able to heavily tax it because at some point the tax burden will incentivize a black market and/or home growing. There might be some price adjustment in the market, but if the tax burden isn't excessive, there's no reason to think that pot gardening would be any more prevalent than vegetable gardening, IMO.

Most of the adults I know that are still smoking pot are losers. Some of them may have the outward appearance of success, but they have problems that aren't as apparent.

Not saying it's directly related to the use of pot. Just saying I rarely come across an adult user that I otherwise admire.

What part of IT'S A WEED don't you get? It's a weed. It grows naturally, everywhere, easily, on it's own. You don't have water it three times a day or sprinkle it with Miracle Grow.

You just didn't want it bad enough, you lightweight you. :D

If you want anything other than ditch weed then it's not that simple. Just because it grows easily doesn't mean it grows well. Growing top notch to decent weed takes time and effort. Once you start considering selective breeding and the intricacies of what growing medium works best for whatever strain then it becomes more than just throw the seed in the ground and wait a few months.

I understand there are higher, more complex levels. But the crap that grows out behind the shed will still get you high.

I pretty much agree with this. I can't imagine a majority of people suddenly wanting to grow it themselves. Some will, of course, but the convenience of getting it at a store far outweighs the effort it would take to grow at home.

Not to mention the fact that growing it in plain sight would undoubtedly tempt passers-by who would rather not pay for it at all.

for about 20 minutes and then it will give you a massive headache.

Worked fine back in high school.

If it were legal, it really isn't that hard to grow good outdoor. Genetics is the most important thing with outdoor. The reason cultivation is so complicated now is that people have gone indoor in order to increase yields and shorten growth cycles.

I answered two of the questions.

I said it was a bad drug. By this I mean it is often mind altering and escapist, like alcohol. Sometimes that's a good thing, though. For instance, if you are like Pam here or others suffering from physical pain. You should have the ability to smoke pot in order to ease that. For those of us not suffering, but still just want to smoke pot because it makes them feel better, I think the costs aren't as drastic as the economic benefits (stopping the costly punishments, taxes). Thus I'm not opposed to legalizing it.

The people that reguarly smoked pot in my high school were complete losers, though, and most have made nothing of their potential and today wallow in simple pleasures like X-Box games and cheap beer. I have tried it on more than one occassion, and it did nothing for me, thank God.

Employers have drug tests (though this is a touchy subject for good reason: random drug tests, drug tests for no reason, and other potential issues are serious concerns and invasions of privacy in many cases). What is true is that employers should be able to expect that their employees aren't drunk or high on the job. Those who work for a good company will probably not smoke pot, if they wish to move ahead or not get fired. Those who want to work hard and achieve economic and social success in life will stay away from it, just like they mostly stay away from other dangers now. I don't see a drastic social change coming from legalizing pot, like society becoming less productive. Perhaps it can reinforce the increasing inequality in America, but that is a social crisis that is much deeper than the issue of drugs, and can be dealt with regardless of legalization.

couldnt make money if youre a drug abuser.

You didn't take the concept far enough- only apply it to "victimless crimes".

Man, the thing about weed is..... Wait, what were we talking about?

I just can't vote on the bad drug thing. No drugs are good unles you need them. That being said it's still just an herb.

Good luck with that. I guess it's to your credit, and it might be a source of pride for your parents, that you know so little about pot.

you ever grown pot big?

Really, that's a ****ing boomerang post.

You think you've just managed a solid back hand on a person and then.....oh....oh hell...........I'm the reerun.

Sorry, Cheech. Didn't know you were The Pot Guy. LMAO

Is Dave home mahn?

I just want to say your poll sucks. There's too many overlapping answers and the Gaz option is it's only saving grace.

Rain Man, rain upon him with great vengeance and furious anger.

Why do you ask? If I haven't, it could just as easily be because it's not as easy as you "throw it in the ground and it will get you high" types make it out to be as that I don't know what I'm talking about. :shrug:

Do you think "grow[ing] pot big" is a requirement to know just how likely ditch weed is to get you high? I don't have to be a rocket scientist to know that you're not going to find the parts you need to build a space shuttle in a junkyard.

It would be... if I weren't right. Are you big into getting high on ditchweed or something, Rausch?

The genetics of the plant play a bigger part in the potency than any other variable. If you're starting with a ditch weed seed, it doesn't matter how well tended it is.

I'M RIGHT ABOUT EVERYTHING!!!!! :deevee: I'M SMARTER THAN ALL OF YOU!!!! :deevee: I'M THE KING OF TEH INTERWEBS!!!! :deevee:

ROFL

I don't have any issue with that. That's kind of my point. I don't need to know the ins-and-outs of "grow[ing] pot big" to know that the typical weed out behind the shed isn't going to be very good at getting you high.

I sure as hell wouldn't grow it.

It's hard enough for kids to have the drive to accomplish shit without that being around and I can't keep freaking Christmas presents hidden from them. I'm quite sure they'd notice the skunk living in my basement.

I'd like for them to look at it like I'd hope they'd look at drinking. Some people do it. Some people don't. Some people do it way too ****ing much.

I'll lie about all drugs I did until they're adults. I'll apologize for lying then.

Dont remember anything bein said about 'ditch weed'. I was thinking more along the lines of a marketable product that will get the trick done. Now im no pot scientist who could sit here and tell you about strains and chemical compounds. But i can assure you there has been many a fine bush planted out back that has more than done the trick w/ minimal work.


And as far as growing good dope,it is easy. So easy infact stoopid
hippies have been doin it for years.

It must seem that way to you. Sorry.

Let me guess - in high school, you were a narc, right?

Something about the way Frazod said "crap that grows out behind the shed" instead of "carefully selected, high quality strain that grows out behind the shed" gave me the impression that he was talking about ditch weed. Perhaps it's just a communication breakdown.

you can take mexican brick seeds and in one generation produce a better product. no doubt.

I used to smoke pot from time to time.

I haven't touched a joint in 3 years, so you want to know my take on it? Not a positive one I'll put it to you that way. I quit smoking up because of the negative side effects marijuana has on the brain. I found that it can do two of the following things: a) it causes short-term memory loss and b) causes paranoia which in turn creates more feelings of anxiety and stress in your life.

*With that being said, I don't like marijuana for those reasons. I vote bad drug.

The short term memory thing is funny. It's never about IMPORTANT THINGS. :p It's more like what were we just talking about?

Never had the paranoia thing.

weak minds breed the paranoid side effects.

so you're trying to say Im weak?

Not at all.

I was responding to "I guess it's to your credit, and it might be a source of pride for your parents, that you know so little about pot."

I suppose your drug use is a great source of pride for your family...

The inability to roll with a chemical compound that you know is gonna alter your state of mind makes you weak,if you cant handle it,yes.

not all clans have the same taboo feelings about chemical use. Ive often wondered what the % of people born after 1950 that havent used pot would be.

He'd better hope none of his neocon buddies find out. They'll kick him out of the clubhouse.

My parents don't know whether I became The Pot Guy from using or from book learnin'. They're just happy I'm smarter than frazod, which I suppose isn't really saying much. :p

(Of course, I'm just kidding about being "The Pot Guy". There are plenty of things I don't know about pot.)

But how can one roll with a chemical compound that has the ability to control and alter your state of mind though?

Thats the question.