I dont know where anywhere in this thread where I've claimed I'm some expert in MMA. You said those words, not me. All I simply said was how I thought Lesnar was going to handle this upcoming fight......he will handle it just like he's handled his other fights, he will take it to the ground. Anyone who knows anything about Lesnar will tell you that. You don't have to be some expert to know this fight is going to go to the ground because Brock sure as shit isn't going to want to stand w/ Carwin. He will use his size, power/strength and athleticism to his advantages because that's what he relies on in his fights....this one being no different. If you wanna lable me as me trying to pass off as an MMA expert then whatever man. I'm no MMA expert and either are you by any means.

i have every UFC from the beginning, i also have evey pride FC, most kotc, and quite a few strikeforce ( not to mention quite a few other promotions) i've seen most every fight more than once.


some people have followed the sport longer, i would think that would make them more knowledgeable than someone that heard about chuck liddell and started watching.

like i said chuck was a BIG thing in the ufc and dana thought he would walk right through the middleweight tourney. hell dana even BET on him to win it.

guess what? it didnt happen.


IMO arona, shogun, wandy, or rampage would have beaten him at that time.


it's funny that this sport blew up after forrest v bonner. that fight was exciting right?

well guess what?
those types of fights were the norm in pride with the card penalties. one card you lose 10 percent of your purse, and IIRC 2 was 20 %. that gave the fighters incentive to actually fight rather than lay and hope to get a decision

This thread turned into a big suckfest.

Awesome, nothing like the Old days of Pride. I liked watching K-1 a lot also. Used to like watching my man Ernesto hoost and Jerome Lebanner.

Your mom sucks........................ Im just kidding ya.

Yeah....well......I know more about MMA than you...And Sean Carvin is going to kick Jock Le'stat's ass!


Booya Biatch!

Yup. When Michael McDonald was fighting I didn't miss much K-1. That dude was nails.

And the old days of Pride, to me, are still the best days of MMA and UFC will never be able to touch it. When Wandy was walking through people and was 225 pounds (I could give a crap if he was on roids at the time). Crocop was at his peak, Fedor, Randleman, Coleman, Page, Shogun, dude Pride was the shit.

The majority of people that I know that follow MMA now started following after the first season of TUF and that Griffin/Bonnar fight. They have no idea about the history of it all. That's one reason Forrest has such a following and people still think, moronically, that he's a top 205 fighter.

Silva made Griffin look pathetic. God that was funny. He just toyed w/ his ass the whole time.

Agreed I have stayed out of the mix as I am pretty new to MMA. I grew up boxing and wrestling. I used to spar with some guys that were into martial arts but we kick boxed. They taught me self defense moves to end confrontations but it would not be allowed in competition. I wish this type of fighting exsited when I was young but I am too old to play such rough games now. It is kind of funny because while watching they talk about guillotines, rear naked choke holds and triangles back in my day we just called it choking a guy out or cutting his air. It is a pretty cool sport and I enjoy watching it~

Yup. In the amateur ranks I see guys get caught over and over again by the simple rear naked choke. Yeah it happens at the elite level but it's like the main thing you see a guy tap out from at the lower levels. Without fail.

On Spike they show all kinds of fights, reruns and such. These guys nowdays are on a whole different level than what we were doing~

watch the "best of pride" on spike. it has some of the best fights ever

I have watched several of them. On a side note has Ken Shamrock ever won a fight? He has gotten his ass kicked in every fight I have seen him in.

yep he has won.:D i thought it was funny last night that they showed chuck beating mezger in pride, then said he went on to knock out overeem, then real quick like said and then got TKO'd by rampage BUT came back to the UFC and became the dominant 205er.ROFL

Liddell is a likeable guy and hits a ton. He also has been knocked out too many times. A fighter can only get shut off like that a few times and they seem to lose their chin. I like the guy but think he is way overrated~

i use to win but he needs to retire those roids arent gonna help his old ass win

For whatever reason Ken gave Bas fits. And Bas was a bad mother chicken.

I have seen that Bas guy fight, if your talking about the funny talking guy. He has a bar fight video LMAO He was a bad ass at one time~

Bas had no ground game. If you go by his own account, he didn't know how to sprawl for most of his career. He would just fall onto his back like a turtle and rope escape or try for leglocks. Plus, Pancrase had the no-striking-on-the-ground gentlemen's agreement when he fought there.

I believe Carwin has all the tools to beat Lesnar. He's freakishly huge and strong in his own right. He was a successful wrestler in college although not on the same level as Lesnar and he has much better stand up.

FWIW I truly believe also that Cain Velasquez will soon be the heavyweight champion and will remain there for an extended period.

Silva won't be able to play with Chael like that, he'll still win but he's going to really have to fight this time.

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Yep thats the guy~

He's awesome. Hilarious commentator too. No filter on that guy.

Yes he is and I think I would take a pass if confronted by him :)

HAH! Darn right you would. Bas is still a bad dude, don't fool yourself. He almost beat the shit out of Brian Urlacher a while back. He beat the shit out of 4 navy guys one night in Japan while he was bouncing at this bar.

His stand up is second to none. He still has the best leg kicks and liver strikes ever. I love the kind of fighter Bas was.

Bas improved his ground game but yeah it was always his weakest link.

I have know idea, which is why I'm going to invest in the fight on PPV.

Lesner all the way with GnP, unless Carwin gets lucky in the first 30secs with a knockout punch.. After that Carwin onlys has a very slim chance each round to try and get lucky..

Not really. That's a pretty piss poor take.

Yeah, that's the best time to bite the bullet. Unlike say, A. Silva vs. Demian Maia.

Yet, I paid for that one too. (of course) :facepalm:

I was going to get it, but since Wand dropped out and now Sexyama is balking at fighting Leben. Not worth the $ for just one fight.

Of course it's a piss poor take.......he predicted Lesnar to win and you don't agree with it.

I dont think so dude. I think it's a pretty realistic take.

Because he's basically saying that Carwin, who has finished everyone he's faced in the 1st round, has to depend on a lucky punch to win. That's ****ing stupid. Carwin got lucky 12 other times???????? Second, this is the first time that Lesnar will be facing someone his own size. I don't buy into the theory that Brock is going to be able to take down Carwin "at will" and hold him down. Not when a 220 pound Randy Couture was able to get up fairly easily from under Brock.

But a 255 Frank Mir could not. Im not saying his punch will be lucky, but he's going to be hard pressed to get a good shot in. Lesnar doesn't wanna box with Carwin. We all know why. He isn't stupid.

Lesnar will want to take Carwin to the mat ASAP. I don't think he'll be able to do it right off that bat; i think the better portion of the first round will be fought standing against the cage. But, eventually, he'll get him down. And Carwin will probably have a hard time getting out of it.

I hope I am wrong. Im rooting for Carwin.

And Frank Mir doesn't have the pedigree in wrestling that Carwin does either. It's a stupid comparison. And Mir was 245 pounds for that fight. Not 255. And Carwin is 275.

Lesnar doesn't want to stand with Carwin because he's a 1 dimensional fighter.

Isn't 275 over the limit?

I think Carwin has the best chance to beat Brock. the obvious applies..He's got the power, but hes' got to watch and avoid Lesnar's bullrush and subsequent gnp....he's just so damn big...but something keeps pulling me towards Carwin with the upset...I believe he's stronger than people think.

pretty exciting.

that was in the early 2000s
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this was back in the day when chuck was feared in the ufc
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and i almost brought up the bad ass mother ****er bas rutten in this thread yesterday, im glad someone did. como should watch him too
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Before my time as I have said I am rather new to watching MMA. He kicked that Tito guys ass and that makes me like him. I watch a lot of reruns but know little about the fighters~

He cuts weight to make the weigh in.

Why do you belittle other people just because you "think" you know more about MMA? You are a true ****stick! Truth is the fight can go either way easily. You have no inside knowledge or to tell the truth seem to have a one track mind and shout it at the top of your prepubescent lungs as gospel. Is Lesnar an asshole? Yes he is. But just because you say Carwin and Fedor are better than him doesn't make it so. I suppose St. Pierre excites you?

I didn't belittle anyone for thinking Lesnar could win, I belittled people for thinking that Carwin would need something like a lucky punch to win. And you can go eat a bag of dicks you pussy. I care more about that turd I flushed down the toilet this morning than what the **** you think. Clear enough?

Why yes it is you little POS yes it is. I think less highly of you ROFL!!!! You are indeed what I thought you were :)

ROFL whatever man. Half of your reeruned posts in this thread have been NOTHING but your pathetic attempts to belittle people.

Either you don't read your own posts, or you're delusional as hell...one of the two.

I hope Brock gets his brains beat out. Its hard to say who will actually win though.

But Carwin has won all his fights by knock out, that says something, but Brock is huge. I really am pulling for carwin though.

MadMax,
Bro.............WHAT IS UP WITH THAT LONG ASS HAIR?
Are you serious with that shit?

Are you still in here trying to talk about MMA? Maybe you should find out when Oversteem is fighting next because I've never seen that guy fight.

Here are some of the betting lines. I would still give this fight a 50/50. I think Brock would normally kill the guy, but with a year off, there could be some ring rust.

Brock Lesnar vs. Shane Carwin
Sportsbook.com Odds

• Lesnar (-200)
• Carwin (+160)

Betus.com Odds

• Lesnar (-200)
• Carwin (+160)

Normally kill him based on what exactly?

His size and power. :shrug: As it stands right now, the year off could hurt him tonight. See Rampage Jackson.

Fedor fights Werdum tonight on Showtime for those interested.

These guys are the same size. Power wise, Carwin hits harder.

This is why I bust balls because people comment on this shit don't have a clue. In fact Carwin is still at 275 right now and Brock said he's actually 265.

So tell me again, he would kill him based on what? Size wise, it's even. Power wise it depends on what you're talking about. Both are great wrestlers, but Carwin is the only one with respectable stand up between the two.

So I want to know what it is Lesnar would kill Carwin with?

Well the guy you are trying to bust balls on right now IS A MMA fighter!

ROFL

Dude, you either need to lay the **** off the coffee, or get a prescription of Prozac. Like many things in life, it's a matter of opinion. If this fight, or any other MMA fight for that matter, were a forgone conclusion, there wouldn't be people paying to watch.

So? I train with MMA fighters every week. So the **** what?

You said it was because of size and power. Well Carwin is bigger. So you're betting on the smaller guy?

Him and I got off to a rocky start, but get along now. He seems to take things a little personal. I did get a chuckle out of him telling you about MMA :) This came around after my fighting days.

Ok keyboard badass you are a badass in real life to. Why don't you do everyone a favor and just kick Lesnars ass yourself :rolleyes:

Why don't you post something dumber?

Carwin may have a few extra pounds at this point in time, but I would give the power edge to Lesner. As I stated before, ring rust could very well come into play for Lesner. It should be a good fight, which is why I'm buying it.

look guy you come off as a tool to anyone who disagrees with you. Carwin may just destroy Lesnar. But you dismissing Lesnar as a joke who does not stand a chance and going off on anyone who disagrees is pretty dumb. If your boy Carwin gets it done you can post the I told you so posts. I have said I am new to MMA but that does not mean I am not allowed to take a GUESS on who will win. Because That is all everybody is doing experts included taking a guess. Till these fellas strap leather and start trading nobody knows the outcome~

And there you have it, a A lot like the NFL. Any given day.........

I haven't dismissed Lesnar as possibly winning at all. I said with heavyweights anything can happen. And Lesnar is a world class athlete. However if you're going to give an opinion and it's not an educated one, then don't argue about your opinion. If a guy says that Lesnar will win because of the size factor that doesn't make a damn bit of sense, seeing how Carwin and LEsnar are roughly the same size. Or that Carwin will need a lucky punch. People like this will get their comments taken apart because well, they are dumb.

Lesnar could easily come in and take it to the ground and do his usual lay on a guy for as long as it takes to tire him out routine and win. But I don't find it likely when you put it all together. Two guys, same size, similar backgrounds, the difference being that CArwin hits like a ****ing freight train and LEsnar has shit stand up ability. So if everything cancels everything out, what are you left with? If Carwin keeps it standing then this fight will be over early. Lesnar's only chance is to take CArwin down and control him there. And I don't see that happening without LESNAR landing a lucky punch.

The only thing I have said about Lesnar is I have never seen a guy that big as quick or with that type of agility. I think he will be a handful for any heavyweight because he has the speed and agility of a much lighter man. That sure as hell does not mean a guy with Carwins striking ability cannot give him a nap~

And I agreed with all of that. 100%. So I'm not sure what you're arguing with me about.

What I thought was silly was for dude to say that Carwin needed luck or that Lesnar would win due to size. When Carwin has finished everyone in the first round and is bigger than Lesnar. Neither takes on the fight made any sense.

Yeah I see the weight thing as a neutral factor. Both guys are similar size. Both guys are powerful guys. So I think it comes back to this.......

1. Brock wins IF he's THAT much better than Carwin on the ground. Meaning, Brock can truly hold Carwin down and go GnP on him. Some say he had no problem holding Herring and Mir down. But Neither of those guys have the wrestling background that Carwin does. Couture had no problem getting up from underneath Brock. Now, Couture is like a man amongst boys in terms of wrestling, but I don't think Carwin is a slouch obviously. So again, can Brock hold him down? Hard to say.

2. Carwin wins if he keeps it standing. Brock has no knockouts to his credit and his standup is about as amateur as one can get at that level. Lesnar's camp may be trying to work in a strategy where Brock does in fact stand up for a while. Long enough to get Carwin to believe he's going to stand, so that he can work the shoot. This is what I believe you will see happen. Brock will stand long enough to make Carwin believe that he's willing to do that, then he will work the shoot. If Carwin can work his sprawl and keep it on the feet, the match won't go on very long because Carwin will knock him out if it turns into a stand up match.

I think that covers about everything.

We are good, most seem to think Lesnar has the power advantage as far as bulldogging. As far as the weight it means a lot and it means nothing. It depends on many variables. There are guys who have to cut weight to make fights because they are dropping down to a lower class or they put on large amounts of weight between fights.

Roberto Duran is a case in point. He often would swell to 185 lbs or more and have to cut weight...a lot! to fight. He would have nothing but fat to lose. Lesnar holds 265 lbs and that appears to be his natural (in shape weight) I have no idea if Carwin holds 275 lbs natural or if he tends to fight weight like Duran. Weight and power are two different things~

I sent that before I was ready...please read the revised post :)

Carwin started the camp for the fight against Mir at 300 pounds. He started this camp at 275 and has stayed near that. That's from the horses mouth. :D

The only reason I gave you a hard time is that you seem very knowledgeable but tend to respond in anger. I understand someone saying something you feel is silly but you should lighten up IMO I have a huge advantage over you...I have to proof read! it gives me a chance to cool off :D

Fedor is weak sauce. The last top flight Heavy he fought was years ago. He's just a puppet for the Russian Mob. I think if Carwin lays his hands on Brock it's all over now baby blue. I'll take the engineer over Mr. Sable.

I think people think I'm angry..............;)

MMAcca.

LMAO

Took me a minute...

I watched some of Bas' old pan creas fights...he was a bad mother trucker!!! He narrated the videos & would call out when he was going to deliver things like liver shot knockouts.

Fedor lost. BJJ.

Anyone have a stream?