And who's fault is that?

Remember on MNF when we took ourselves out of FG range because we ran a sprint-draw play on two consecutive plays and lost a shit-ton of yards?

The O is predictable because Weis is allowing it to become predictable.

If JC is in the game, you can predict with 90% certainty that it's a draw or pitch.

That wasn't the case last year.

I wonder if he'd reply on air if someone texted him "NICK....your and idiot"

Nick Wright's a drafturbator?

DJ had under performed for years...he was deservedly on the verge of being cut

Bowe was a clown who cared more about showboating than working


Are you saying either thing is true of Charles?

what I saw was a player who dominated the league at his position for 8 games and then was made a backup to a player with half his speed and half his yards per carry....

I'd honestly like to know what you think Charles had done to deserve this?

Regardless of what extrapolations you want to take from this incident, two things are clear:

1) Charles should be getting more touches than Jones because he's a clearly superior player
2) Maurice Carthon is a ****ing tool.

Stupid fan call #1.

Yep.

We already have a QB that can't complete passes above 60%. Why would you want another?

soooo, if Charles is in, the other team knows exactly what is going to happen....sooo, we want Charles in more??:D

I'd like to know why people think that Michael Vick is the answer to this team's problems.

Better than Cassel doesn't mean you are good enough.

ROFL

Yeah.

Look, Charles wants in the game. He wants the ball. He wants a big pay day. That's a real good thing. Carthon's a prick ... that's a bad thing. There isn't much more to this deal than that.

Now, you can choose to debate whether a player should nut it up and make the most of his opportunities or listen to the KC media construct a "big story" out of nothing atypical in the league, that's your choice. Personally, I have no interest in arguing over the amount of whining that takes place in the NFL. I'm not sure it's a measurable statistic.

I'd hate to see Charles play for Belichick ... damn, he'd probably go through a dozen crying towels a week.

Meanwhile, Charles will get his touches this year.

FAX

No ... I'm not comparing "players", Mr. the Talking Can.

I'm comparing the media's approach to the stories. Remember how everybody was talking about DJ last year being demoted ... along with Bowe? And how Haley was losing the team as a result?

FAX

To me, Vick looks much, much better than Cassel.

I havent been pleased with Weis' playcalling, but until Cassel sacks up and plays like starting QB, I will always blame him.

ChiefsPlanet's Very Own Wallace H. Hartley Equivalent.

JFC first Petro and now Nick Wright...:facepalm:

Nah we can't talk about how the team is 2-0 with a real possibility of being 3-0 heading into their bye week...we have to stir shit.

Sports radio in K.C. is such a ****ing joke.

ah...

How someone like JC who is averaging over 6 yards a carry is playing second fiddle is beyond me.

I know everyone wants to win a Super Bowl yesterday, but you aren't doing it with Vick as your QB. We don't get to pass "Go" until we get a franchise QB.

He does. But is that really good enough?

ratings baby, ratings.

Maybe I'm the only one that sees it this way but I think they wanted to give Jones a majority of the carries in hopes of being 2-1, 3-0, or something like that heading into the bye and then they would ride Charles in the second half of the year...didn't want to burn him out.

A calculated gamble perhaps.

As for what Charles has done to deserve this? I have no idea. I don't know that he's done anything. None of us know.

The whole "use of Charles" thing is a mystery to me. I thought he'd have more touches in Cleveland and posted comments to that effect after the game. There's something going on behind the scenes on this deal that I don't understand.

Still, I can't see a guy who averages 5 yards a touch not getting his opportunities. What I do know is that I won't base my opinions on Nick Wright's vacuous blathering and speculation, though.

FAX

We are going to use charles more and people are going talk about how "right" they were, when it was apart of the plan all along. Don't need to unleash the big dog just yet.

Very possible. Never really thought of it like that. But, if that is what they were doing, I would of thought that they would have covered that with both the players (Charles/Jones).....maybe not though.

I'm not a huge Vick fan or anything, but I'll answer that this way. With Vick playing the Eagles could conceivably win a playoff game, with Kolb they won't make the playoffs.

Controversy sells. It sure would be nice to know where the info is coming from.

Probably Croyle LMAO.

This is reeruned. Re-****ing-tarded. That is all.

Coaches aren't looking 5 games down the road, they are trying to win today. This isn't a part of some grand strategy.

It's the front office who usually executes "visionary" thinking. That's why most coaches prefer to play vets. It helps them that day.

I sure hope so. These guys certainly tend to fall in love with under-performing players (O'C, Goff, etc.).

We all saw in preseason that TJ was starting and everyone said "Oh, it's just preseason". Now, two weeks into the season, TJ is STILL starting and seeing more touches than Charles. Something's amiss.

And I wish Mo Carthon would go **** himself. I hated that hire the day it was announced and STILL hate it.

well if he can truly be an effective passer now, then yes he can be that good. teams used to have to just worry about his legs while in ATL, because he was horribly inaccurate. There was never a question about his arm strength, the guy has a hand cannon. But now it seems that he's gotten a lot better with his passing, he's still the fastest QB in the league and is a great athlete. I think Reid is reeruned for not starting him over Kolb. If he can run for 6-7 yds or so (maybe more) when things break down, then yes he's a huge threat.

I dont know if Jamaal Charles actually updates it, but Jamaal Charles wrote on his facebook fan page "Thomas Jones=Spoiled" on Monday.

why is Mike Vick the answer you ask?

because of players like Charles and McCluster...

do you remember what he did for Dunn? Duckett?

Seriously...

Charles and Vick tandem would be like THE SUPER VERSION of Vince Young and Chris Johnson...

We would break every single season rushing record and it wouldn't be close...

Vick/Charles/McCluster and Jones? Holy shit...

I mean...our pass would be like a change up to that crazy ass ground attack. Think of the possibilities?

If our defense develops into a top tier unit which I think it can...

Vick, in my eyes, has three more top tier years...or at least he could...and we could be a Super Bowl contender...

I mean...Vick looks every bit as good as he ever did right now...people forget...he WON GAMES...he was a WINNER in the NFL...I think Jim Mora was TERRIBLE for him...

They tried to turn him into a pocket passer...it made no sense. Vick was really blossoming with Dan Reeves before his injury...and now he's had a complete reality check...he's fighting for that one last chance...

and damn, he looks GOOD this year...

and team him with our dynamic backfield...

I'm not saying we could beat the Colts...but damn...we'd be a top 3 AFC team I think...or we'd have that potential...

and all it takes is a good bounce or two when you're a top team.

Link?

LMAOLMAOLMAOLMAOLMAOLMAOLMAO:LOL::LOL::LOL::LOL:
http://www.facebook.com/pages/Jamaal...s/197232568024

It's not just in KC. Here in Baltimore they are talking about benching Joe Flacco for Marc Bulger LMAO

Talk radio is designed to stir up crap

or maybe we could offer them Cassel for Flacco

Wow, if that's really Jamaal Charles, that is ****ed up.

Thanks for the link.

Jamaal Charles likes referring to himself as Jamaal Charles.

FWIW, that page is obviously fake.

like that is real lol

wow dude

how gullable are you?!

that's not him...haha

Maybe if the team was 0-2 and Charles wasn't getting carries I could see Haley losing the team.. not now.

Gameplan for Cleveland called for Jones (as per Haley). Probably due to the 3-4 defense which is best to attack between the tackles were Jones is stronger. Also not many draw plays called which seems to be Charles' bread and butter.

Unfortunately, 49ers are 3-4 also but much more aggressive. Hard to know what the gameplan will be but I hope Charles see's more plays to slow down the blitz.

;)

If he can get all the other radio guys to start talking about they will get all the sheep in line and demand that Charles plays more.

Then the coaching staff will cave in to public demand (like they did with LJ) and look foolish again.

I have seen this before.

LMAOLMAOLMAO This is the funniest shit Dane has ever done/said.

I don't think it's him....unless he really talks like "if jamaal would have started at the first of the season he would have made the pro bowl and been just as good as chris johnson".



"Jimmy gonna slam dunk"....."Jimmy is angry with Kramer"......"Jimmy is going to punch Kramer".....



EDIT: **** me I'm slow.....

Impossible. Haley, Pioli, Weis and Carthon are all bumbling idiots.

well played Dane.:clap:

Well that hour was one big waste of time. At least it confirmed to me that both Nick Wright and 610 suck.

So Charles was yelled at during a game? Then he was reportedly sulking after the game? OH NOES!!!! Obviously it means he wants out. And if he goes, the whole team will stop following Haley and go wherever Charles goes.

Again, we learned at 2pm today what we already knew. Nick Wright is and idiot.

I'm not exactly a teenager that spends all my time on Facebook, which is why I qualified my statement.

almost as funny as that one time the Chargers were going to storm into Arrowhead on MNF season opener and win by 30+

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that facebook page is as real as hootie's gambling skill...

Did Nick Wright actually speak to JC? Or is this another interpretation of video by a slack jawed sports radio wonk....

this is out of Charles character. He doesn't even seem the type to demand a bj.

burn!!!!!!

it took me 20 seconds, max, to have enough common sense to realize that wasn't Jamaal Charles...

so excuse me if I tend to give someone of your genious a little credit here and there

Take an Ativan, because you are tripping balls.

He went 8-6-1 his only full year starting with Reeves.

His first year under Mora he went 11-4.

He also ran for more yards under Mora per season than he did for Reeves.

as real as gochief's girlfriend.

Or when he said Mathews would have 220 yards.

Then after the game I called him out and he called me a dumbass and said that he had actually said 120.

Then I posted the quote and somehow he "missed" my post.

Because he's 5'10" and 190 lbs. Defenses are solid, fresh and ahead of the offenses this time of year. Because he's coming off a shoulder injury. Because you don't piss away a guy with that much talent in a rebuild mode, which the Chiefs are.

I'm pretty sure that the Chiefs coaching staff understands that Jones is on the wrong side of 30, especially for a running back, and understand Charles' talents but frailty (to a certain degree).

I'm sure that they also understand the limitations of Cassel and the offensive line. There's no way that they can't. They are also trying to work in McCluster and Moeaki to the offense while integrating both backs.

Last season it was Charles and nobody else. This year there are three new players who have the potential to contribute. If you want a balanced offensive team, it can't be just one guy or you end up with the Barry Sanders Lions.

They want to use Charles. They don't want to overuse him. Charles does have the talent to be the featured back and carry for 30 times a game. But that doesn't help the team in the long run, especially in this day and age of the NFL.

If Carthon did actually try to dress down Charles in an effort to try and motivate him, it's then on Weis and Haley to make sure that the perceived slight is addressed and everyone moves on. That's why you have a hierarchy in coaching, business, whatever. I'm sure this is already a non-issue in the locker room seeing how Charles has been the consummate team player and Haley seems to have a better finger on the pulse of the team.

Look, I'm happy we're 2-0. Ecstatic. But 2 wins where the offense was that ugly, will not lead to the playoffs. I know we have a ways to go till we're a legitimate contender, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't be doing everything we can to win a superbowl with the players we have.

Bottom line is we would likely be 0-2 if we had nice weather on Monday night and played even an average team in week 2. If our offense was more effective, though, we would have not only won those games, but they wouldn't have been close. Jamaal Charles is clearly the key to igniting our offense and making life easier on our inadequate QB.

I'm talking about 2002...

I remember thinking wow...Vick is going to be SPECIAL!

and then he got injured the following year and they fired Reeves...and he never developed under Mora like I expected....

Anyways...

You team him with someone as dynamic as a Jamaal Charles or Chris Johnson and HOLY SHIT...

That might be the next best thing to a Philip Rivers...something that WON'T be available next season...

Vick has shown he can win football games...he may not put up the prettiest stat lines but he's such a mess for opposing teams to gameplan for...

Give him a good defense and a great rushing attack and he could win 12-13 games..no doubt...

and once you get in the playoffs and have that home crowd...who knows?

Whitlocks ratings must not have been enough.

Bullshit man. Bullshit.

That's the NFL.

It takes a bounce or two, or convenient weather...etc. etc. etc. to win every single week.

We're due for the bounces to go our way for once.

Jamaal Charles is really happy for you, Thomas Jones, Imma let you finish but Jamaal Charles had one of the best seasons of all time.

Mike Florio, who I don't give a shit about, has the Chiefs as #12 in the power rankings this week.

Dubbed them the "Overachiefers."

Fox Sports has them at 10.

You're right, sometimes that's how teams win. I am happy to get those wins when we can. But I want a team that also wins due to being better than the other team. I think the proper use of Charles would help a lot with that.

You would honestly think Philip Rivers played every game of his life indoors with the way people want to make this rain out to be the only reason the Chiefs won.

Yep. We win 10 games in 3 years and now fans want to score style points in all wins.

I agree with the notion that we "stole" a victory from San Diego...even though we shelled up in the 2nd half and basically decided Rivers was going to beat us, or our defense was going to beat Rivers.

However...

We are clearly a superior team to Cleveland...they got a gift TD on an illegal contact call...and we made one big mistake on a great playcall...

but other than that...our offense outplayed their offense...and our defense outplayed their defense...

and we were on the road.

The Mathews fumble was a HUGE momentum shift...just like the Charles run and the McCluster punt return...

we play that game 10 times...I think we win 3.5 times. I can't decide between 3 or 4 so I went with 3.5.

I am fairly sure JC's sped will be the only way we get any rushing yards against SF. That defense is fast.

ESPN has them at 20 behind two 0-2 teams. :rolleyes:

That's bullshit, and you know it.

No one gives a shit about "style points," but they do worry about being able to win this way consistently.

Contrary to popular belief, I'm happy as hell we're 2-0. But I'm not naive enough to think we can expect to win behind defense and special teams every ****ing week.

well put