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007 11-04-2010 07:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Brock (Post 7146056)
U spill lik a dpsht.

FYP

stevieray 11-04-2010 07:39 PM

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Originally Posted by ROR (Post 7145927)
Nah, I think we all know who's backing "his" boy, and it ain't Todd Haley. But at this point, you have to show solidarity unless Matt really, REALLY bombs-out. I have no problem with that, and the off season will be the final verdict on the matter.
Cool FrankenElvis BTW.



Man, that one really grinds my goat. I was so wrong about that little Llama.

that would imply that Haley is a foot shuffling porter when it comes to the most important position on the team. You really get that from Haley? dude does not BS around. GC claimed we were a damn good football team. Think Haley believes that ? Not from what I've heard.

I'm sticking to my original story..they knew that had to gut his team and FO, and knew it would take time, and Cassel is a part of the that process. They obviously think he has the makeup for what kind of team they are trying to build. I think it's foolish for us to thnk that Haley doesn't have a good grasp of where they are in year two in the rebuild. I think they expect greater things next season.

Sweet Daddy Hate 11-04-2010 07:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Guru (Post 7146059)
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Sweet Daddy Hate 11-04-2010 07:44 PM

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Originally Posted by stevieray (Post 7146063)
that would imply that Haley is a foot shuffling porter when it comes to the most important position on the team. You really get that from Haley? dude does not BS around. GC claimed we were a damn good football team. Think Haley believes that ? Not from what I've heard.

I'm sticking to my original story..they knew that had to gut his team and FO, and knew it would take time, and Cassel is a part of the that process. They obviously think he has the makeup for what kind of team they are trying to build. I think it's foolish for us to thnk that Haley doesn't have a good grasp of where they are in year two in the rebuild. I think they expect greater things next season.

Good points, but I'm just not sold on Haley and Weis being 100% behind the guy when the doors are closed during meetings.

DBOSHO 11-04-2010 07:50 PM

I want a real quarterback.

Hammock Parties 11-04-2010 07:58 PM

Inside the NFL aired a clip of Haley bitching about Cassel throwing that bomb to Bowe late.

I would guess he has less than 100 percent support on that team.

stevieray 11-04-2010 08:02 PM

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Originally Posted by ROR (Post 7146067)
Good points, but I'm just not sold on Haley and Weis being 100% behind the guy when the doors are closed during meetings.

I thought the mic'd up vid, including getting on his ass segments, show otherwise. Haley is a great motivator. I'm gonna give him the benefit of the doubt, till I see otherwise...remember, he re/evaluates every four games...if he feels the team isn't moving forward as a whole, he'll make the necessary adjustments.

Hammock Parties 11-04-2010 08:02 PM

Inside the NFL aired a clip of Haley bitching about Cassel throwing that bomb to Bowe late.

I would guess he has less than 100 percent support on that team.

thebrad84 11-04-2010 08:17 PM

Any one who has watched all 7 games this year and still thinks Cassel is any where close to being a good quarterback is completely ignorant of what a good quarterback is. He is not smart, he is not quick, he is not accurate, he is not elusive, he does not have good pocket presence, and he is not someone who knows how to audible to a play when the team shows their setup. He is, in fact, NOT GOOD AT ANYTHING that a GOOD quarterback should be. Thank you.

SenselessChiefsFan 11-04-2010 08:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Gif Horse (Post 7146078)
Inside the NFL aired a clip of Haley bitching about Cassel throwing that bomb to Bowe late.

I would guess he has less than 100 percent support on that team.

That's a stupid point, but typical of a fan.

On every missed play, Haley would gripe about anyone who made a mistake in execution. Doesn't mean that they don't have his support.

Marcellus 11-04-2010 08:20 PM

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Originally Posted by SensibleChiefsfan (Post 7146096)
That's a stupid point, but typical of a fan.

On every missed play, Haley would gripe about anyone who made a mistake in execution. Doesn't mean that they don't have his support.

Haley was really hating on Cassel when after that last drive he made sure, went out of his way in fact, to get Cassel's attention to come back over to him so he could give Cassel some props.

Marcellus 11-04-2010 08:22 PM

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Originally Posted by thebrad84 (Post 7146095)
Any one who has watched all 7 games this year and still thinks Cassel is any where close to being a good quarterback is completely ignorant of what a good quarterback is. He is not smart, he is not quick, he is not accurate, he is not elusive, he does not have good pocket presence, and he is not someone who knows how to audible to a play when the team shows their setup. He is, in fact, NOT GOOD AT ANYTHING that a GOOD quarterback should be. Thank you.

He is a game manager right now for sure.

What he isn't doing is taking sacks and turning the ball over.

Last year he was as prone to taking a sack and fumbling as he was throwing an INT.

He has made huge strides in that area.

thebrad84 11-04-2010 08:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Marcellus (Post 7146103)
He is a game manager right now for sure.

What he isn't doing is taking sacks and turning the ball over.

Last year he was as prone to taking a sack and fumbling as he was throwing an INT.

He has made huge strides in that area.

Very much agree, however that doesn't make him a good quarterback or any where near good. All that says is Weis really studied the offense during the off season and has done a great job of game planning around Cassel holding on to the ball and throwing inaccurate on most past attempts. Your attributing his "better play" to the wrong person, IMO.

Marcellus 11-04-2010 08:34 PM

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Originally Posted by thebrad84 (Post 7146108)
Very much agree, however that doesn't make him a good quarterback or any where near good. All that says is Weis really studied the offense during the off season and has done a great job of game planning around Cassel holding on to the ball and throwing inaccurate on most past attempts. Your attributing his "better play" to the wrong person, IMO.

Better coaching, better play, whatever. Last year he was killing us, this year he is holding us back.

Hopefully, pray to sweet baby Jesus, he can step it up a couple notches down the stretch because, well, he is what we got.

I won't argue he isn't very good, I do think he WANTS to be good.

I wanted to be an astronaut when I was a kid.

I do believe the coaches know the limitations and are trying to get the most out of the hand they have right now and how far that gets us, I don't know.

Mr. Flopnuts 11-04-2010 08:36 PM

Anyone have any of the clips where Haley was talking about negative plays, and talking shit on the quarterback?

Hammock Parties 11-04-2010 08:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Flopnuts (Post 7146120)
Anyone have any of the clips where Haley was talking about negative plays, and talking shit on the quarterback?

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Mr. Flopnuts 11-04-2010 08:49 PM

Perfect. Thanks brother.

-King- 11-04-2010 08:56 PM

Wow, at no point did he "talk shit" on Cassel.

Hammock Parties 11-04-2010 08:57 PM

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Originally Posted by KcChiefsKing (Post 7146162)
Wow, at no point did he "talk shit" on Cassel.

He pretty much called him out for blowing a chance at a TD.

And he was yelling it.

Marcellus 11-04-2010 09:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Gif Horse (Post 7146165)
He pretty much called him out for blowing a chance at a TD.

And he was yelling it.

Come on man, there is plenty of unshown video of Haley getting pissed about every big play that wasn't made by either side of the ball.

He bitches about any play that isn't made offense or defense, running or passing and you know it.

stevieray 11-04-2010 09:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Gif Horse (Post 7146165)
And he was yelling it.

this made me chuckle.

007 11-04-2010 10:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Gif Horse (Post 7146165)
He pretty much called him out for blowing a chance at a TD.

And he was yelling it.

Meh. He was just emphatically stating facts. Bet he does that a lot.

Baby Lee 11-05-2010 05:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Gif Horse (Post 7145676)
OK, so it's not fair to judge a quarterback based on the majority of the game, just one possession.

In brutally painful [in more ways than one] fairness, that was often how Elway was judged. So many of his legendary comebacks were a function of him playing like dogshit for 3 1/2 quarters, then pulling a brilliant drive out of his ass at the last second.

But I think it's pretty clear that 'clutch' Cassel is no 'clutch' Elway, if for nothing else than the fact that Elway's comebacks resulted in amazing touchdown passes, not just getting just enough yards for an iffy FG [that'd be the Brady way, albeit he did so in the playoffs and SB, not against 0-7 cellar dwellers].

milkman 11-05-2010 05:27 AM

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Originally Posted by RedThat (Post 7145634)
Of course. He came through in the clutch didn't he?

Did he, really?
At the end of regulation when he needed to make plays not simply to win, but to ensure that the game isn't lost, he didn't make plays.

At the end of OT, with a minute and 23 seconds left, if he fails to make plays, the Chiefs would have to punt the ball away to the Bills with little to no time left on the clock, and the game almost assuredly ends in a tie.

It's a no lose situation.

He didn't make plays when he had to make plays to when there was still an chance to lose.

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Originally Posted by RedThat (Post 7145669)
Nope just saying quarterback play should be judged from a broader scale and not a narrow scale. He came through when it mattered most.

No.

No he didn't.

It mattered most at the end of regulation.


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Originally Posted by Reerun_KC (Post 7145800)
Great, now I have to listen to you bitch relentless everytime I post... Why are you obsessed with me? Its kind of creepy if you really want to know...

I haven't seen an obsession, but if he were obsessed, I imagine it wuold be the result of your moronic hypocrisy.

Norman Einstein 11-05-2010 05:54 AM

For those fans in KC that can't stand Cassel. I invite you to find another team to be a fan of.

1. We are currently leading the West.
2. We hung in the games we lost, they were not blowouts. The Houston game only got away late and it only got away due to some egregious calls by the "officials".
3. In the last game the breaks were with us instead of against us, would you rather have it the other way?
4. Cassel is currently rated as the #10 QB in the NFL.
5. Cassel only has 3 interceptions on the season so far.

Granted he isn't a Joe Montana or Roger Staubach, but he is a decent QB.

Quarterback Rating Leaders - Qualified
RK PLAYER TEAM ATT COMP PCT YDS YDS/A LONG TD INT SACK RATE YDS/G
1 Vince Young, QB TEN 122 72 59.0 998 8.18 71 9 2 10 103.1 143
2 Peyton Manning, QB IND 299 197 65.9 2184 7.30 73 15 2 7 101.4 312
3 Philip Rivers, QB SD 306 198 64.7 2649 8.66 59 15 7 21 98.9 331
4 David Garrard, QB JAC 149 101 67.8 1098 7.37 42 13 7 15 98.8 157
5 Tom Brady, QB NE 225 147 65.3 1602 7.12 65 12 4 12 96.6 229
6 Tony Romo, QB DAL 213 148 69.5 1605 7.54 69 11 7 7 94.9 268
7 Kyle Orton, QB DEN 316 195 61.7 2509 7.94 71 12 5 21 92.7 314
8 Drew Brees, QB NO 331 234 70.7 2334 7.05 80 16 11 13 92.6 292
9 Ryan Fitzpatrick, QB BUF 176 105 59.7 1200 6.82 45 12 5 11 91.1 240
10 Matt Cassel, QB KC 179 105 58.7 1196 6.68 53 10 3 8 90.4 171
RK PLAYER TEAM ATT COMP PCT YDS YDS/A LONG TD INT SACK RATE YDS/G
11 Matt Ryan, QB ATL 252 156 61.9 1714 6.80 46 12 5 13 89.6 245
12 Matt Schaub, QB HOU 235 149 63.4 1739 7.40 50 10 6 19 89.3 248
13 Seneca Wallace, QB CLE 100 63 63.0 693 6.93 65 4 2 6 88.5 139
14 Eli Manning, QB NYG 239 157 65.7 1785 7.47 54 14 11 12 88.3 255
15 Josh Freeman, QB TB 224 135 60.3 1533 6.84 53 8 3 14 87.1 219
16 Kevin Kolb, QB PHI 153 97 63.4 1035 6.77 83 6 4 10 85.3 207
17 Aaron Rodgers, QB GB 269 165 61.3 2011 7.48 86 12 9 16 85.3 251
18 Joe Flacco, QB BAL 236 140 59.3 1651 7.00 58 10 6 10 84.2 236
19 Jay Cutler, QB CHI 181 111 61.3 1483 8.19 89 7 7 27 84.1 247
20 Carson Palmer, QB CIN 282 168 59.6 1855 6.58 78 12 7 10 83.0 265
RK PLAYER TEAM ATT COMP PCT YDS YDS/A LONG TD INT SACK RATE YDS/G
21 Jason Campbell, QB OAK 138 78 56.5 1023 7.41 69 6 4 15 82.5 171
22 Chad Henne, QB MIA 243 154 63.4 1669 6.87 46 8 7 10 82.5 238
23 Shaun Hill, QB DET 208 127 61.1 1309 6.29 75 9 7 8 79.6 218
24 Mark Sanchez, QB NYJ 215 114 53.0 1356 6.31 67 9 4 11 78.8 194
25 Donovan McNabb, QB WSH 277 159 57.4 1971 7.12 62 7 8 22 76.0 246
26 Sam Bradford, QB STL 292 171 58.6 1674 5.73 49 11 8 17 75.9 209
27 Alex Smith, QB SF 242 143 59.1 1554 6.42 53 9 9 13 75.0 222
28 Matt Hasselbeck, QB SEA 236 135 57.2 1411 5.98 52 6 7 22 70.8 202
29 Brett Favre, QB MIN 211 126 59.7 1450 6.87 37 7 11 14 69.8 207
30 Derek Anderson, QB ARI 155 83 53.5 980 6.32 37 4 7 10 62.8 140
RK PLAYER TEAM ATT COMP PCT YDS YDS/A LONG TD INT SACK RATE YDS/G
31 Matt Moore, QB CAR 137 76 55.5 844 6.16 39 5 10 12 55.7 169

milkman 11-05-2010 05:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Baby Lee (Post 7146605)
In brutally painful [in more ways than one] fairness, that was often how Elway was judged. So many of his legendary comebacks were a function of him playing like dogshit for 3 1/2 quarters, then pulling a brilliant drive out of his ass at the last second.

But I think it's pretty clear that 'clutch' Cassel is no 'clutch' Elway, if for nothing else than the fact that Elway's comebacks resulted in amazing touchdown passes, not just getting just enough yards for an iffy FG [that'd be the Brady way, albeit he did so in the playoffs and SB, not against 0-7 cellar dwellers].

I never really understood Dan Reeves game managment.

He had crap at RB through the years, and yet, he tried to play the game like he had crap at QB and a good running game.

Dan Reeves had more to do with Elway playing like dogshit for 3 1/2 qtrs than Elway, and when cruch time came. Elway bailed Reeves' ass out.

milkman 11-05-2010 06:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Norman Einstein (Post 7146617)
For those fans in KC that can't stand Cassel. I invite you to find another team to be a fan of.

1. We are currently leading the West.
2. We hung in the games we lost, they were not blowouts. The Houston game only got away late and it only got away due to some egregious calls by the "officials".
3. In the last game the breaks were with us instead of against us, would you rather have it the other way?
4. Cassel is currently rated as the #10 QB in the NFL.
5. Cassel only has 3 interceptions on the season so far.

Granted he isn't a Joe Montana or Roger Staubach, but he is a decent QB.

Quarterback Rating Leaders - Qualified
RK PLAYER TEAM ATT COMP PCT YDS YDS/A LONG TD INT SACK RATE YDS/G
1 Vince Young, QB TEN 122 72 59.0 998 8.18 71 9 2 10 103.1 143
2 Peyton Manning, QB IND 299 197 65.9 2184 7.30 73 15 2 7 101.4 312
3 Philip Rivers, QB SD 306 198 64.7 2649 8.66 59 15 7 21 98.9 331
4 David Garrard, QB JAC 149 101 67.8 1098 7.37 42 13 7 15 98.8 157
5 Tom Brady, QB NE 225 147 65.3 1602 7.12 65 12 4 12 96.6 229
6 Tony Romo, QB DAL 213 148 69.5 1605 7.54 69 11 7 7 94.9 268
7 Kyle Orton, QB DEN 316 195 61.7 2509 7.94 71 12 5 21 92.7 314
8 Drew Brees, QB NO 331 234 70.7 2334 7.05 80 16 11 13 92.6 292
9 Ryan Fitzpatrick, QB BUF 176 105 59.7 1200 6.82 45 12 5 11 91.1 240
10 Matt Cassel, QB KC 179 105 58.7 1196 6.68 53 10 3 8 90.4 171
RK PLAYER TEAM ATT COMP PCT YDS YDS/A LONG TD INT SACK RATE YDS/G
11 Matt Ryan, QB ATL 252 156 61.9 1714 6.80 46 12 5 13 89.6 245
12 Matt Schaub, QB HOU 235 149 63.4 1739 7.40 50 10 6 19 89.3 248
13 Seneca Wallace, QB CLE 100 63 63.0 693 6.93 65 4 2 6 88.5 139
14 Eli Manning, QB NYG 239 157 65.7 1785 7.47 54 14 11 12 88.3 255
15 Josh Freeman, QB TB 224 135 60.3 1533 6.84 53 8 3 14 87.1 219
16 Kevin Kolb, QB PHI 153 97 63.4 1035 6.77 83 6 4 10 85.3 207
17 Aaron Rodgers, QB GB 269 165 61.3 2011 7.48 86 12 9 16 85.3 251
18 Joe Flacco, QB BAL 236 140 59.3 1651 7.00 58 10 6 10 84.2 236
19 Jay Cutler, QB CHI 181 111 61.3 1483 8.19 89 7 7 27 84.1 247
20 Carson Palmer, QB CIN 282 168 59.6 1855 6.58 78 12 7 10 83.0 265
RK PLAYER TEAM ATT COMP PCT YDS YDS/A LONG TD INT SACK RATE YDS/G
21 Jason Campbell, QB OAK 138 78 56.5 1023 7.41 69 6 4 15 82.5 171
22 Chad Henne, QB MIA 243 154 63.4 1669 6.87 46 8 7 10 82.5 238
23 Shaun Hill, QB DET 208 127 61.1 1309 6.29 75 9 7 8 79.6 218
24 Mark Sanchez, QB NYJ 215 114 53.0 1356 6.31 67 9 4 11 78.8 194
25 Donovan McNabb, QB WSH 277 159 57.4 1971 7.12 62 7 8 22 76.0 246
26 Sam Bradford, QB STL 292 171 58.6 1674 5.73 49 11 8 17 75.9 209
27 Alex Smith, QB SF 242 143 59.1 1554 6.42 53 9 9 13 75.0 222
28 Matt Hasselbeck, QB SEA 236 135 57.2 1411 5.98 52 6 7 22 70.8 202
29 Brett Favre, QB MIN 211 126 59.7 1450 6.87 37 7 11 14 69.8 207
30 Derek Anderson, QB ARI 155 83 53.5 980 6.32 37 4 7 10 62.8 140
RK PLAYER TEAM ATT COMP PCT YDS YDS/A LONG TD INT SACK RATE YDS/G
31 Matt Moore, QB CAR 137 76 55.5 844 6.16 39 5 10 12 55.7 169

I invite you to go **** yourself with a rusty chain saw.

Hammock Parties 11-05-2010 06:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Norman Einstein (Post 7146617)
4. Cassel is currently rated as the #10 QB in the NFL.

:rolleyes:

So tired of this.

At the end of the first half against Buffalo - a pathetic first half - his QB rating was 95.3.

QB rating is a bunch of shit.

The only reason his QB rating looks good is his TD/INT ratio.

That's a product of Moeaki and Bowe making 4 highlight reel plays for TDs and Weis putting Cassel on a leash to limit his picks.

TimeForWasp 11-05-2010 07:09 AM

I hate Collinsworthless I can't remember a time that he has ever said a good thing about the chiefs or any player on the chiefs team unless it is totally obvious. He obviously hates the chiefs and I obviously hate him.

TEX 11-05-2010 07:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Norman Einstein (Post 7146617)
For those fans in KC that can't stand Cassel. I invite you to find another team to be a fan of.

1. We are currently leading the West.
2. We hung in the games we lost, they were not blowouts. The Houston game only got away late and it only got away due to some egregious calls by the "officials".
3. In the last game the breaks were with us instead of against us, would you rather have it the other way?
4. Cassel is currently rated as the #10 QB in the NFL.
5. Cassel only has 3 interceptions on the season so far.

Granted he isn't a Joe Montana or Roger Staubach, but he is a decent QB.

I never really understood this type of logic. Where does it say that if one does not like a cartain player on a team, that one should find another team to root for?

I absolutely HATED Elvis Grbac - but KC was my favorite team even when he was the QB. Felt the same with with Todd Blackledge & Bill Kenney. Point is if ya don't like the QB, you don't have to root for another team.

BTW - I am a fan of Matt Cassel (So far) I feel that he can grow with the team. Time will tell.

HotRoute 11-05-2010 08:33 AM

sure matt cassel isnt going to put up huge numbers, but we are winning games and that is what matters. Id rather have a guy like him, instead of a kyle orton type, who has a ton of yards and stats but not many wins to go with them. The most important stats in the NFL are Wins and loses IMHO

Fish 11-05-2010 08:43 AM

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Originally Posted by KC111110 (Post 7146855)
sure matt cassel isnt going to put up huge numbers, but we are winning games and that is what matters. Id rather have a guy like him, instead of a kyle orton type, who has a ton of yards and stats but not many wins to go with them. The most important stats in the NFL are Wins and loses IMHO

What? You don't think we'd have as many wins as we do if we had a QB who could put up much better stats than Cassel?

What kind of logic is that?

milkman 11-05-2010 08:47 AM

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Originally Posted by KC111110 (Post 7146855)
sure matt cassel isnt going to put up huge numbers, but we are winning games and that is what matters. Id rather have a guy like him, instead of a kyle orton type, who has a ton of yards and stats but not many wins to go with them. The most important stats in the NFL are Wins and loses IMHO

At the end of the day, football is still a team game.

Orton is putting huge stats on a crap team, a team that can't run the ball. or stop anyone on defense.

Orton, on this Chiefs team, this team would be 6-1 with a win at Indy, and possibly 7-0, with a completion on 3rd an 2 against the Texans.

Chiefnj2 11-05-2010 08:48 AM

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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 7146898)

Orton, on this Chiefs team, this team would be 6-1 with a win at Indy,.

Orton is going to throw it and catch it too?

HotRoute 11-05-2010 08:49 AM

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Originally Posted by KC Fish (Post 7146890)
What? You don't think we'd have as many wins as we do if we had a QB who could put up much better stats than Cassel?

What kind of logic is that?

My point is i would rather have wins than yardage. That is my logic. Im not saying we wouldnt have more wins if cassel had ortens numbers, but i wouldnt make that sacrafice if it meant we would be 2-6 right now

milkman 11-05-2010 08:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2 (Post 7146901)
Orton is going to throw it and catch it too?

If he threw it to himself, sure.

I'm certain he'd be more accurate on that throw than Cassel, like every other.

suds79 11-05-2010 08:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2 (Post 7146901)
Orton is going to throw it and catch it too?

Oh no. I feel another "Matt needs more weapons" take coming on.

Look Matt is working out just fine for us this year. He's not throwing picks and doing his job. Great! Maybe we can eek out a playoff win.

But he's not a top tier QB required to win a SB. We're all in agreement there right?

So long term he's simply not the answer.

Pablo 11-05-2010 09:07 AM

If you have watched every game Matt Cassel has QB'ed and you've come away thinking "This guy is a legit NFL QB"; then you need to take up another hobby.

He is far and away the weakest link on our entire team. I like his personality. I think he's tough. I root for the guy; but you can paint a turd and it's still just a pretty piece of shit.

crazycoffey 11-05-2010 09:17 AM

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Originally Posted by KcChiefsKing (Post 7145806)
Cassel can make more throws that the ones they're asking of him. If this is the most he can do...then why start him? I'm sure Croyle can do more then. And if Croyle can't do more, then we have the worst QB situation in history.

In my memory of Croyle, he was more accurate and has the stronger arm. The question is size/health and has he the knowledge of the playbook. If it's marginally close, I don't know why he couldn't do everything that Cassel is doing, and more. -just my .02

crazycoffey 11-05-2010 09:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Norman Einstein (Post 7146617)
For those fans in KC that can't stand Cassel. I invite you to find another team to be a fan of.


How about I keep my own opinion, still root for the chiefs and hope like hell the coaches figure out Cassel isn't the best option for MY CHIEF TEAM! So **** off

Chiefnj2 11-05-2010 09:20 AM

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Originally Posted by CrazyCoffey (Post 7146972)
In my memory of Croyle, he was more accurate and has the stronger arm. The question is size/health and has he the knowledge of the playbook. If it's marginally close, I don't know why he couldn't do everything that Cassel is doing, and more. -just my .02

I don't think Croyle is very accurate. In fact, in short passes (which the team is stressing right now) the guy lacks any touch whatsoever.

Fish 11-05-2010 09:29 AM

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Originally Posted by KC111110 (Post 7146905)
My point is i would rather have wins than yardage. That is my logic. Im not saying we wouldnt have more wins if cassel had ortens numbers, but i wouldnt make that sacrafice if it meant we would be 2-6 right now

But it's not an either-or decision. Believe it or not, it's possible to have both wins and yardage.

To think that an increase in passing yards would somehow mean we'd be 2-6 is just incomprehensible to me. If Cassel were carrying this team, you might have a point. But our running game is putting up more yards per game than our passing game at the moment. Think about that for a second. We're averaging more running yards per game than passing yards.

ForeverChiefs58 11-05-2010 09:41 AM

Everything you need to know about Cassel

http://i56.tinypic.com/8xswup.jpg

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HotRoute 11-05-2010 09:56 AM

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Originally Posted by KC Fish (Post 7147022)
But it's not an either-or decision. Believe it or not, it's possible to have both wins and yardage.

To think that an increase in passing yards would somehow mean we'd be 2-6 is just incomprehensible to me. If Cassel were carrying this team, you might have a point. But our running game is putting up more yards per game than our passing game at the moment. Think about that for a second. We're averaging more running yards per game than passing yards.

As long as we play to our strengths we have a good chance, great run game and great defenses is a winning formula, cassel is obviously not the answer but he is the starter. When the offseason comes around that's when we can start looking at other options, but as far as croyle goes I don't see him as a better option, IMO

Fish 11-05-2010 10:06 AM

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Originally Posted by KC111110 (Post 7147088)
As long as we play to our strengths we have a good chance, great run game and great defenses is a winning formula, cassel is obviously not the answer but he is the starter. When the offseason comes around that's when we can start looking at other options, but as far as croyle goes I don't see him as a better option, IMO

What does that have to do with the wins and yardage discussion?

And just because Cassel is the starter, that doesn't mean we all have to shrug and just accept it, and love him for the sake of team affiliation. I love this team and the progress they've made. But that doesn't mean I have to like the turd chucker behind center.

HotRoute 11-05-2010 10:14 AM

Turd chucker....lol, ya I'm not his biggest fan either but I don't see croyle coming in and winning more games than cassel would, and since he's the only other option I think we are stuck with cassel for now. In the offseason it's another story

Sweet Daddy Hate 11-05-2010 10:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by milkman (Post 7146623)
I invite you to go **** yourself with a rusty chain saw.

ROFL

crazycoffey 11-05-2010 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2 (Post 7146988)
I don't think Croyle is very accurate. In fact, in short passes (which the team is stressing right now) the guy lacks any touch whatsoever.

Just as accurate as Cassel, if he has the playbook, he's might be worth the try.


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