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No defense trumps noise.

The other funny thing is this is only the 2nd time the Ravens have ever played at Arrowhead. That is hard to believe. They played in Arrowhead in 2006 against Herm's first team with Steve McNair at QB and won 20-10.

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Originally Posted by grey redstar (Post 7316653)

To each his own...I'm sure that upsets him.

Sorry I just think he should be behind bars...no ill will towards you. I've been to several Ravens games and like the stadium, but just can't stand Ray.

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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 7316671)

Martyocrity trumps noise.

It didn't help much today either.

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Originally Posted by tk13 (Post 7316685)

It is weird. But since they do divisional round-robin scheduling I guess anything can happen.

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Originally Posted by WVChiefFan (Post 7316693)

Sorry I just think he should be behind bars...no ill will towards you. I've been to several Ravens games and like the stadium, but just can't stand Ray.

Well its easy to have the wrong impression from that stupid shit he was involved in, but the fact is he as not involved in the actual violence. He was just a dumbass for trying to be "The Man", and letting his sycophant's "friends" hang out. He was complete ass for running and hiding, but has been a solid citizen ever since.

If we can score on Balt., we win easily.

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Originally Posted by grey redstar (Post 7316724)

I'm only an hour and a half from Baltimore, so I heard all about the crap he was involved in and that's why I don't like him....I was never convinced he wasn't involved. I also hate how the NFL tries to hard too pump him up as a role model too and that irks me, but none of that really matters....back to the subject!

I really think this will be a good close game...of course I'm hoping for the Chiefs to blow the Ravens out though! What I can dream. :harumph:

In this thread...

People overblowing the strength of the Ravens while underestimating ours and calling it being realistic.

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Originally Posted by BCD (Post 7316743)

If we can score on Balt., we win easily.

Don't know what you mean by "score", but they actually play better coming from behind. It forces Cameron to open up the playbook.

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Originally Posted by grey redstar (Post 7316764)

Don't know what you mean by "score",

You don't?

Do you know the metric that they use to determine winners and losers in the game of football?

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Originally Posted by KCtotheSB (Post 7315602)

Do Jim Nantz and Phil Simms know where Kansas City is on a map?

Jim Nance used to work for KC news

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Originally Posted by |Zach| (Post 7316759)

In this thread...

People overblowing the strength of the Ravens while underestimating ours and calling it being realistic.

I like this....:thumb:

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Originally Posted by |Zach| (Post 7316774)

You don't?

Do you know the metric that they use to determine winners and losers in the game of football?

Alright...do you mean score a touchdown or turn the game into a shootout?

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Originally Posted by grey redstar (Post 7316790)

Alright...do you mean score a touchdown or turn the game into a shootout?

If we score.

The idea I believe he was trying to convey was that he isn't worried about our ability to play well enough on defense but is worried about our ability on offense.

If we score...we win. Not a single touchdown...but generally.

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Originally Posted by grey redstar (Post 7316648)

Oher is good for next week, but I think Reed got his bell rung.

Just read it's a rib injury.

I like our chances of keeping this a low scoring game with our defense against their offense but I'm not convinced we can put up 17 on their defense. I think that's the magic number we have to get to for a victory.

If the line wakes up from the dead and Cassel has ome time to throw the ball, we have a great shot. If not, we are hosed.

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Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 7316899)

I think that's the magic number we have to get to for a victory.

Chiefs are 7-2 in the playoffs when they have scored 17 or more points.

anybody else going to the game? I'll be there baby!!!

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Originally Posted by Jayhawkerman2001 (Post 7317029)

anybody else going to the game? I'll be there baby!!!

Hell yeah I'll be there

Excellent post from a Ravens fan.

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We don't have bad receivers. I think Housh and Mason are being overrated by non-Ravens fans, but they're still fairly solid. The issue, of course, is that they're all the same. Not only are they all possession receivers, but really, none of them are even all that close to being a deep threat. I've hardly ever seen our receivers burn anybody this year, and that takes away one of Flacco's best assets, the deep ball. I mean, it literally takes it away for the most part. Sending Boldin on all of those routes may help underneath, but it takes him out of the game.

I think this also could explain why Flacco is putting up such good numbers, but the perception of him and the performance of the offense is down. It may also indirectly explain our poor red zone performance. Flacco has the nice stats, the YPA and the passer rating. That SHOULD make the Ravens offense strong despite struggles in the running game. The problem is how it's getting done, without big plays. If you drive down the field for 80 yards on 10 passes but stall in the red zone, it doesn't do much other than kill the clock and get you a few points. It's basically forced to be a conservative offense without a running game. That severely limits what you can do.

The passing game is good at that kind of thing, getting first downs. But when you have to get several of them just to score a touchdown, your luck is going to run out at some point. It certainly makes sense as a way of explaining the second half struggles. When asked to describe the Ravens' second half offense, you don't think of nightmarish incompetence, you probably just think "bleh" and try to remember what we did. It's just utterly forgettable and once we fail to get one of those first downs, the drive is over. No turnovers, no displays of hapless incompetence, just our offense running in a manner that doesn't support the odds and typically falters.

That's the thing that can happen when you have a bunch of possession receivers who don't excel at getting separation. Reading the thread about regretting the Housh for Clayton swap, I think that point is spot on. Harbaugh (whose drafting and FA philosophy I generally love) and Oz got a little greedy here and didn't think about the big picture. Blind talent accumulation doesn't work if the pieces don't go well together.

So that's pretty much it. The offense needs big plays. Certainly a better running game would help a ton, as Rice rarely busts anything out thanks to the OL (please move Oher to RT, I really don't think LT makes that much more of a difference). But speaking about the passing game, teams just don't respect our big play potential. The Ravens have a growing number of needs in the 2011 draft, but a deep threat would make the top of my list, with the possible exception of LT (which I'd lean towards).

Now, what does this mean for the rest of the offense? How much are they to blame? I absolutely think our run blocking may still be the biggest problem with the offense as a whole. The Ravens had a second year Flacco nursing an injury, terrible receivers, and pass protection that wasn't as great as everyone thinks it was. Yet they ranked close to ten spots higher. Why? Because the run blocking went from one of the best to one of the worst this year with so many players out of position. Our passing game is much more viable when there is good run blocking, because you actually run a real, efficient conservative offense. I think Rice lost a bit of his shiftiness as well, but that's not a huge deal.

Now...Cam and Flacco. I definitely don't think it's Flacco. He's running in an offense that may suit his strengths but doesn't have the type of talent that needs to play to it. Without that deep capability, a big part of Flacco's game is taken away for the most part. He still gets a few big ones out there, but there just isn't enough versatility to work with. I'm also becoming increasingly reluctant to blame Cam. People talk about us not establishing an identity, that's because we can't.

The running game is too weak and the passing game is too one dimensional (based on talent). Now, I don't think he has some secret element that will ruin us if we fire him and a fresh mind with new ideas could be just what we need, but I don't think he has the perfect opportunity to run an explosive offense that we think he does.

RAVENS AT CHIEFS

Strength vs. strength: Kansas City HB Jamaal Charles vs. Baltimore DE Terrell Suggs and OLB Jarrett Johnson

Charles has played amazing football this year. By the time our grades are done for the week (and the season), he’ll likely ending up with the best rush rating for a tailback we’ve had in our three years. Although he still puts up good numbers rushing down the middle, they have been ridiculously good when running to the sides. However in this game, when he runs to the side, he will be met by ether Terrell Suggs or Jarrett Johnson, who both typically play every snap on opposite sides of the field and are spectacular run defenders. It’s worth noting that in the three games Charles played against our top-graded run defenses (Oakland and San Francisco), Charles carried 36 times for 237 yards and a 6.58 yard-per-carry average.

Mismatch: Baltimore LT Michael Oher vs. Kansas City ROLB Tamba Hali

Oher isn’t a bad left tackle, but he’s no particular standout and suffers in comparison with some of his teammates on the Raven line. He’s been whistled for 14 penalties in his first 15 games, and is average as a pass blocker. He will be lined up against Hali, who has provided 5.8 pressures a game this year heading into Week 17 — just a remarkable number, the most of anyone we’ve seen since we started in 2008. He regressed a little midseason, but in recent weeks went back to playing like an All-Pro. It’s also worth noting that Oher sprained his knee against the Bengals, which could make this even more of a mismatch.

Baltimore is ranked 25th in pass protection according to Football Outsiders.

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Originally Posted by |Zach| (Post 7316810)

Exactly. :thumb:

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Originally Posted by ClayWhit (Post 7315478)

The Chiefs lose. I guarantee it.

They'll blow in the playoffs.

I hate to say it, but yeah, if we thought last Sunday sucked, this Sunday is just going to blow.

You know it's a bad sign when there are only 4 games this weekend, and the talking heads on NFLN gloss over our game everytime it is mentioned.

5-10 Minute spread on the Colts vs Jets game
5-10 Minute spread on the New Orleans vs Seattle game
"Chiefs play Ravens" <snicker>
5-10 Minute spread on the Eagles vs Greenbay game

I really want to see this team win a game in the post season, but if the line can't handle the Raiders sorry ass rush, then there is no way they will handle the Ravens. And to be honest, game planning hasn't been a strong suit. There is a way to beat the Ravens, but I doubt we see many screens or quick slants on Sunday. It will be R2P2 and we will be embarassed on national television.

I hope we play our cards right.

it is time to play to win.

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Originally Posted by ChiefsNow (Post 7319697)

it is time to play to win.

The game?

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Originally Posted by ROR (Post 7319716)

The game?

It was just a Metawhore

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Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 7316899)

I think we can come out and throw on the Baltimore secondary, which would open up things for Charles on the ground.

It all comes down to the line.

As Bwana discussed in the post immediately following yours, if they show up, the Chiefs can move the ball and score.

You wanna know how awesome the Ravens are?

If the Bengals don't miss a chipshot FG and drop a TD pass that gets caught for an INT, they score 10 more points easy and beat the Ravens. IN Baltimore.

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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 7319863)

I agree.

We absolutely can throw on Baltimore.

IF we can block Ngata, Gregg, Suggs and Lewis on the blitz.

That's a HUGE if.

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Originally Posted by ClayWhit (Post 7319975)

You wanna know how awesome the Ravens are?

If the Bengals don't miss a chipshot FG and drop a TD pass that gets caught for an INT, they score 10 more points easy and beat the Ravens. IN Baltimore.

But theyre alot better than us. We're gonna get creamed, right?

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 7319986)

I agree.

We absolutely can throw on Baltimore.

IF we can block Ngata, Gregg, Suggs and Lewis on the blitz.

That's a HUGE if.

It's imperative that Cassel and the receivers (read Bowe) read the blitz pre snap and make adjustments.

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Originally Posted by kaplin42 (Post 7319645)

Converting the Vegas ML into probabilities, a ML of Baltimore -145 / Chiefs +125 corresponds to a 42.5% of a Chiefs win. Seems about right to me. A little bit less than a coin flip. Us winning hardly even qualifies as an upset.

**** the "Baltimore as a juggernaut" storyline. It's a joke.

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I really want to see this team win a game in the post season, but if the line can't handle the Raiders sorry ass rush, then there is no way they will handle the Ravens. And to be honest, game planning hasn't been a strong suit. There is a way to beat the Ravens, but I doubt we see many screens or quick slants on Sunday. It will be R2P2 and we will be embarassed on national television.

^^^THIS

If we see Thomas Jones on first down nearly every posession, I'm going to cry.

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Originally Posted by ClayWhit (Post 7315478)

The Chiefs lose. I guarantee it.

They'll blow in the playoffs.

http://i52.tinypic.com/2alvsz.gif

Reading the Ravens boards, they are surprisingly pessimistic about this game. They really seem to hate on their offensive playcalling in particular.

A good 95% of people don't think the Chiefs have a chance in this game. We'll see.

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Originally Posted by Vanilla Thunder (Post 7320420)

A good 95% of people don't think the Chiefs have a chance in this game. We'll see.

I am almost in that camp myself.

I hesitate to believe that the Chiefs will win a playoff game while I am still walking this veil of tears.

However, if Haley can get it done, he will deserve all praise and glory. I like the idea of kicking the Ravens' ass and using their tailfeathers to decorate my headband.

FAX

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Originally Posted by warispeace (Post 7320210)

Reading the Ravens boards, they are surprisingly pessimistic about this game. They really seem to hate on their offensive playcalling in particular.

How is that surprising? Every single fan base is out of perspective and negative.

Time to unleash Charles.

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Originally Posted by PGM (Post 7321135)

Time to unleash Charles.

I hope so. I really hope he starts and TJ only comes in when Charles is tired. It's playoff time.

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Originally Posted by |Zach| (Post 7320492)

How is that surprising? Every single fan base is out of perspective and negative.

Damn I thought CP was "special".

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Originally Posted by Vanilla Thunder (Post 7321157)

http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/201101...iefs#tab:watch

We're either going to upset, or it's Oakland Pt. II

Let us pray for upset.

If I understand the overwhelming media bable correctly
The Seahawks have a better chance of beating the Saints

some of u r so negative,stupid way to be,odds r u all r the same in ur everyday life/sad

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Originally Posted by eric007 (Post 7321294)

some of u r so negative,stupid way to be,odds r u all r the same in ur everyday life/sad

Can anyone decode this babble for me?

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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 7321344)

Can anyone decode this babble for me?

ROFL

Football Outsiders still like Chiefs

http://espn.go.com/blog/afcwest

What's all this? I read somewhere that the season is over.

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Originally Posted by ClevelandBronco (Post 7321447)

What's all this? I read somewhere that the season is over.

Just for the Donkeys, Chargers and Raiders. We're still playing.

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Originally Posted by Vanilla Thunder (Post 7321456)

Just for the Donkeys, Chargers and Raiders. We're still playing.

Couldn't finish on time, eh?