I recall him being compared to Percy Harvin and DeSean Jackson as well.

I watched this guy get shit on in the open field by both Ray Lewis and Ed Reed. He's not ready to run in between NFL tackles.

sadly, he will never live up to that 36 spot.

:rolleyes: Yeah, because those 2 guys are lousy players who never hit anyone.

:popcorn:

He got trucked by two future hall of fame, all-decade players? BUST!

Everybody here has the dane syndrome, where they are so sure of a player after 16 games that they know the players ceiling.

This should have ended this thread on the first page.

How the **** does a Bob Gretz report translate to "definitely" anything? I've not been happy with the use of Dex, but he is a player with a lot of talent that I hope we are able to exploit. Whatever they are, Haley obviously has plans for him. This discussion should be tabled until at least week five or six. Anything sooner is almost as speculative as the report this thread is based on.

Instead we will get at least 20 more threads between now and then either blindly defending or brutally bashing that one pick. I guess that's just Chiefsplanet.

Actually nobody gave him that many games.

And it was never limited to dane.

You watched that? Hey, guys. This guy has first hand evidence that a rookie RB/WR got beat down by two HoFers. How can he ever live up to a high second round pick if he can't immediately clown two of the best defensive players of the last decade??

McCluster got run down by a guy who outweighed him by 80 lbs.

http://i54.tinypic.com/4r54zk.jpg

Run down? WTH are you talking about?

He doesn't have a clue and isn't worth your time.

LMAO The Dex hate is hilarious.

That's some mighty fine elusiveness there, Dex.

Wait, you're characterizing that as getting run down from behind? The guy comes in unblocked with the angle, with a guy (who is that Demorrio Williams?) staggering along behind with an awesome "aw shit I done ****ed up" gait.

And "Slash and Dash" is just sad.

I dunno, McCluster couldn't put a move on the guy? He just sort of kept running and let the guy pull him down. Where's the speed?

Heh. Run down. Looks like Selvie took a good angle and made a nice open-field tackle.

I didn't say "behind," I said run down.

It's not quite as bad as I imagined but McCluster shows 0 elusiveness on that play...and 0 speed.

Yep, no reason the scatback should attempt to put a move on a 250-pound linebacker at all.

Well hopefully once Dex is moved to RB, nobody on the opposing defense will take any good angles or anything.

Had Copper made the right block, Dex could have gotten into the open field.

Its also nice to see 2 linemen tag-teaming one defender.

*That runs a 4.93 40.

Dex was looking to the blocks being set up to the outside and this dude flew through untouched. Maybe Barry Sanders could have salvaged that busted ass play. MAYBE. This play is a terrible argument against McCluster.

LMAO

One play doesn't really matter anyway. I could put together a lowlight reel of this guy getting caught in the open field. Again...and again...and again.

The better question is WTF was Copper going?

Dont you think its possible that Dex never saw Selvie?

Sometimes defenders make plays. It's shocking I know.

If you're looking for highlights to showcase the holes in McCluster's game, that's the wrong one. That's a missed block and an easy play for Selvie. McCluster had no chance. Dante Hall wouldn't have gotten out of that one. Or any other returner you want to name.

(Of course, if it had been Dante Hall, it would have been Gary Stills (IIRC) blocking Selvie and not Williams, so he might have gotten a return out of it after all. Although out of fairness to Williams, maybe somebody else missed an assignment off camera.)

Team game, man.

Yeah, his field vision sucks.

Heavier players should never be able to tackle lighter players. /ChiefsPlanet.

Yep.

This was just the example that came to my head.

A 170 pound scatback that is supposedly "elusive" should never get pulled down in the open field by a LB that outweighs him by 80 pounds and runs a 4.93 40.

:facepalm:

Good god that song to the video was just awful!

I'd expect that from others, but am shocked you'd say something this ridiculous.

Open field tackles are FAR from easy in this league. Guys miss open field tackles easier than this every week.

This isn't like the clip where Dex catches the ball and Samuel or Reed is RIGHT THERE. That's having no chance.

Bottom line, Dex shows no speed and no field vision on the play. Open field against a guy 80 pounds heavier who runs a 4.93? Dex should win that matchup every time.

LMAO WTF do you think 'run down' means?

How many players get 'run down' head-on?

What about the play where he scores vs the Niners?

It's not ridiculous. It was a good defensive play. It happens. And you can hype Selvie's 40 time all you want, but that was a good burst of speed he showed there through the hole.

clay could probably find a hundred other McCluster highlights to outline exactly how elusive he was not last year. God knows there were plenty of them, the number of times he was taken down. He just happened to pick the wrong one.

Its entirely possible you are over-reacting to this.

I dont know what Dex will be. The potential is there. We'll see. You guys, however, are looking for anything and everything to prove he'll bust.

Yeah, I'm giving the guy the benefit of the doubt, he's a 2nd yr player.

Do you realize that in the game of football there are 20 other players on the field that may have some affect on where that scatback can move?

In your NFL a 140lb elusive person would never get tackled because all defenders would outweigh him by 50 plus pounds.

This...

He's going to get broke the **** up.

You keep using the word bust.

I haven't used it. DJ'sLeftNut said it well earlier, and most of you guys chose to overlook it.

So far, he's proven the people that hated the pick right.

He has time to prove those of us wrong, as well.

But as of 4/27/2011, it's been a pretty piss-poor pick, considering.

Been my concern all along.

And precisely why I don't want to see him spending too much time at RB and getting wailed-on by LBs.

You mean that 16 games is not enough to evaluate the full potential of a player and his NFL career?

Players can get better in year 2 and beyond?

I say just cut his ass now and lets not waste the time.


For the record, he needs make an impact this year or yea, bad pick.

OTWP brought it up.

Anyway, here's some more stellar elusiveness. On a play designed for McCluster to make a guy miss, no less...

http://i.imgur.com/Hq5z4.gif

Who here has said he can't get better?

I'll wait.

How about those of you that hated the pick on draft day because he was listed as a RB - and have since rationalized the pick because he was going to play the slot - but continue to rationalize the pick now that he's being moved to RB full time - help Marcellus out.

I think Pestilence ought to explain how he got "definitely moving to running back" out of the snipped he posted.

hinted =! definitely moving

Very misleading title that skewed the tenor of the conversation from the start.

It's called an angle. You know, sometimes defenders are trained to take proper angles to compensate for lack of speed.

I'm sure you can find plenty of plays of Charles that look just look just like that. But he's not fast or elusive or anything......

This thread is becoming comical.

GC, you're trying way to hard to be a hater.

We all know where this is leading.

Any time Dex gets taken down in the open field, it was a good defensive play.

Any time a defender slips, takes a bad angle, etc - Dex is elusive.

It's no use. The train has left the station.

I don't remember which game it was but JC did get "ran down" by a safety in the open field.

JC = Suckage

Now THAT is a bad play by Dex. Much better example.

Just stop. You can find plays like that for any player. It does not prove shit.

I'm going to blow into a shoe in honor of DMC. Blow out a shoe, I mean.

OTWP wanted to see the play, I posted it. I don't agree that it's an awful play but Dex certainly shows he's nothing special there. He just keeps running...no attempt to cut back whatsoever and avoid the man.

I wonder if this is the precursor to us moving up in the first round and picking Julio Jones?

Getting the constituency prepared for the coming of Jesus as a receiver, so to speak.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_JGdhsJ5zeK...ulio+Jones.jpg

No.

It was a bad play by Dex. But if we had the kinda time GC has, we can find bad plays by just about any player. It's moot.

The burden of proof is not on McCluster haters. He did basically nothing last year.

That play is a good example of how he's nothing special in the open field, though. Happened all year long.

Well, it was a pretty good defensive play, wasn't it?

But this time Dex had the chance to make a move and it was obviously the wrong one.

And that looked like that hurt.

Which is related to my injury fears with him: half the time when he gets hit, it's of the cringe-inducing variety. He just seems to nailed way too often. Injury waiting to happen.

I don't think it's a BAD play as much as it is a guy not being able to be special.

Dex catches the ball and tries his best to elude the defender one-on-one. He just can't do it. Because he's not that talented.

Ever think that maybe we need more than a handful of games.

You could make the same EXACT case for Charles & a handful of players in his rookie year.

Not gonna happen. That would be AWESOME, though.

LMAO

I love that people keep bringing up Charles in comparison with McCluster...

No one will say shit about McCluster if he gains 2,000 yards from scrimmage...

Hell...500 ought to be enough.

Not happening.

It would at that.

Sell it out Scotty!

Just a guess, but if some of you ****ing flip-floppers (not necessarily you, Dtox, i have no idea what your stance on this was on draft day) didn't:

a) Hate the pick because he was listed as a RB

b) Rationalize the pick because he was moved to the slot

c) Make ridiculous claims that he's the next Wes Welker/DeSean Jackson/Percy Harvin.

d) Continue defending the pick when he's moved back to RB - which everyone hated originally. OOOH! Slash and dash!


Then maybe, this wouldn't keep popping back up.

Bottom line, SO FAR, Dexter nor the coaching staff have done anything to prove the people that hated the pick and have stuck to their opinion wrong.

If he played for any of our division rivals, most, if not all of you would be laughing at what a shitty pick it was.

No.

I don't think McCluster is going to magically get quicker, faster or bigger over the offseason.

And they're giving up on him as a WR so we don't really need to explore the idea that he might learn to run routes better.

Pretty sad really. He did nothing to justify being picked after the first game of the season, last year.

Explain?

It was a perfect example in that you can put it up next to his 'elusiveness' in the college clips. There are plays he made in college where he did that little spin and got some grocery sacker to drop his jock. "WOW! What a playmaker!!"

He tried it at the NFL level and a legitimate player (not even a very good player) put him on his ass.

It's not dispositive for its result, but for the manner in which it got there. It wasn't him slipping on a cut or mis-reading a running lane. It was him in the open field making the exact kind of move that wowed the folks that were slobbing his knob a year ago and getting his shit pushed in for it.

His game doesn't translate to the NFL and that clip does a lot to show why.

Lets see.....I can see plenty of elusiveness right here...this is w/o even trying to find good clips...

http://www.nfl.com/videos/auto/09000...rd-punt-return

That's great, cherry pick one of the two impact plays he made last year.

"grocery sacker" is a great derogatory term for shitty players....must use in future!

Wouldn't that probably give us the smallest running back duo in the league.
That also makes WR a bigger need. Not much but a bigger need.

I aint cherry picking shit.

It's simply the first one i found when typing his name in.

Unlike you....

He's talented, he's just not overly talented in relation to the other 21 players on the field during a NFL game.

He stood out in college, where there might have been a handful of guys that have NFL-level talent. The rest are selling insurance in ****ing Mobile or Gulfport.

I just don't think he's the "special" player others do. Not in a class with Hester, DeSean Jackson, Harvin, etc. He's just another guy.

IMO, he'll be even less special as a full-time RB.

And nobody wants to talk about the play vs the Niners or the punt return that was the game winning TD? The potential is certainly there was it worth taking a gadget player in round 2? Probably not. But he's not really a busy just yet.

YOU CANT CHERRY PICK!

He is a gadget player, it doesn't really matter what position they list him at... His role will probably be about the same