Ya think ?

I just hope there's air conditioning.

I hope somebody can take a picture of this asshole's face when the supposed Rapture happens.

Do people in rural areas of the globe whom have never heard of Jesus go to hell too?

To the ship

No, they become our slaves.

Lincoln's gonna be pissed.

Well said Church Lady.

No. They do not. But a good question.

The book of Romans dives into this subject.

http://powertochange.com/students/neverheard/

explains it with the verses.

So ignorance of the law *is* an excuse.

Logically then, wouldn't eradicating the word of god be the compassionate thing to do? If the goal is to avoid hell, and people who don't hear the word are not condemned, wouldn't making sure no one hears it guarantee that no one is sent to hell? The people who did it would surely go to hell, but their sacrifice would keep future generations in the safety of blissful ignorance for the rest of history.

Yeah, heathens definitely get a better deal than devout Chrsitians. It's pretty easy to "respond to God" when the fact is staring you right in the face, lol. Not much faith is required out of you at that point.

Where's the LOLcopter when I need it :) ROFL LOL

Rep

Maybe, but obviously anyone that knows anything about authentic Christianity understands the goal is not to go to Heaven or avoid Hell.

Absolutely not

"The Bible tells us that even people who don’t have that law nonetheless have their own “law” — their own moral standard within their hearts (Romans 2:14-15). For example, if in his heart Nick believes it is wrong for others to talk behind his back, then that is a law within his heart. Therefore, when Nick talks behind someone else’s back, he has disobeyed the moral standard within his heart, thus proving he is a sinner."

Where did you get that? Text just states simply that you're not doomed if you come from a place where nobody has heard of Jesus. Didn't say "okay you're in"

True dat.

So then why does religion constantly pound the concept of heaven and hell down your throat?

You just made a very valid point on why I have such a hard time "finding my faith". SO many religions and Chruches/people have twisted and contorted it. They put the fear in you.

They WANT you to be afraid of hell. How else do they expect many of these people to keep their faith?

A lot of them wouldn't if not for the fear of damnation.

So how about this hypothetical situation?

A baby is born to a jungle tribe that has no religion and no contact with outsiders. This baby grows to be the nicest, most kindhearted individual possible. This person has done no wrong or broken any moral rule of the tribe. Basically lead the most wholesome life possible, but devoid of religion.

Is this person denied entrance to heaven and forced to endure the rapture simply because of the geographical limitations of their own birthplace? If so, how can you deem that as fair judgment?

You're either in or your out. There is only two places to go. Unless your Catholic.

They're not. According to the bible, they cannot deny Jesus if they don't know he exists. You go to hell for denying the love of our lord.

Or Mormon then you have three to choose from~
Edit: four counting hell~

So Osama went to heaven because killing us was his moral standard?

Before this conversation goes to D.C I'll go ahead and answer most of these questions for everyone:

1. The lord works in mysterious ways
2. God's time is not our time.

There. If you have a question that no one can seem to answer, I'm sure one of those two answers will suffice.

So they would go to heaven? With all those people they don't know or understand?

Ignorance really is bliss?

I don't know, but it's really a fairly modern emphasis in the history of Christianity and extremely over simplies things to the point of a childrens fairy tale. Maybe it's too much work these days for people to tackle the real purpose of Christianity which is bringing Heaven to Earth. It's much simpler to say a prayer and think you are good to go. Thinking salvation in Christ is primarily about going to Heaven or Hell it like going to a Chiefs game for the half time show. It's a part of it, but not the real meat and potatoes of it.

Yep. Pretty ****ed eh?

I asked my HS teacher, a philosophy major, his view on God/Religion. His answer has pretty much stuck with me my entire life now.

His Answer: The biggest issue he has with it is that religion does not reward good behavior and morality. The whole schtick with the bible is to teach good morals and to love your neighbor and the lord. Those are the teachings of Jesus Christ.

But loving the lord trumps all. You can be a person of outstanding Charector. You can be a person who never "sins". You never told a lie, committed adultry or murder. You're the model human being.

But if you don't follow/love the Christian God, none of that matters. The bible teaches you to be a good person. You can be the best person in the world. But if you don't love their god, you're going to hell.

So, ima be the best person I can be. But i'm not going to sit here and throw money at a church, or stress myself to follow every teaching to a "T". I'm not going to sit here and study the bible and put my faith in man. If god does exist, he'll know that i was a person of high morality. If he lets me in, great. If not, at least I'll know I lived a good life.

You're right. But that's the state of religion right now. And I don't mean to say all religion either. I'm sure there are Churches out there that aren't the devil.

I can only speak of what I've experienced. And from what I've experienced, Chrurches/religion are the devil.

Yes, and SATAN will remind you of that every time he pokes your ass with his infinitely hot poker thingy.

This was referring to people who know nothing of God or the Bible, No?

Okay, so if someone knows nothing of God or the Bible and they are evil by nature and kill and cuss and rape and pillage and etc, they go to heaven?

No. He was referring to someone being of outstanding morality but not loving God. Doesn't matter what you do in life. If you don't love God, you're going to hell.

Duh.

How can you accept Christ in your heart if you don't know he exists? They get a free pass. Bible says so. Murder and Rape does not keep you out of heaven.

All you have to do is repent "And thou shall be saved".

It's denying God's love that sends you to hell.

Lava bath vs. Ass full of red hot coals.... I'm so indecisive...

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I'm what most would call a Christian, and I don't think you would burn in hell for leading a good life.
The overbearing nature of the general message that is taught by organized religion drives away so many people. I haven't been to church, a whole lot, or in along time, but I can tell you that there are some that are not filled with extremists.

I don't think someone has to throw money at a church or worry about following every teaching to a T to show they love God.

Particularly the following every teaching to a T part. If you're referring to basically obeying the commandments, remember that none of us do. We're all sinners. That's the whole point. The commandments are not there to be something we beat ourselves up over because we fail. They're there to help us realize we need Jesus to save us.

No.
You think that people who kill, rape, and pillage(Cuss? really?) don't know that what they are doing is wrong. **** yeah they do. Just because they enjoy it, doesn't mean they should do it, or that they don't know it's wrong.

It's in the bible. It's pretty cut and dry. You don't love god, you're not going to heaven. No way around it.

Is it TRULY suppose to be that way or is the Church trying to make you believe in THEIR God so you can go to THEIR church? I don't know. But those are the rules.

The Vatican ain't pimped the **** out like the Russian dude's house in the direct TV commercial, because they told people that they get close to God without them.

Doesn't matter. They're still allowed into heaven. It's in Jesus' teachings. Repent.

Repent Repent Repent, Love God and all will be forgiven. And if you don't know Christ, you can't possible have a relationship with him. That's what the entire new testimant is about. Being a good person and building your relationship with Christ.

And how can someone who has no understanding of Christian fundamentals know that that's Wrong?

What about sacrafices? The Mayans didn't think that what they were doing was wrong. They thought they were honoring their Gods.

What about sacrifices to false gods?

edit: what Depenising said...

Leave a perfectly good "Everyone knows this isn't really about religion thread" for a few hours and BAM, you come back to a kettle of heresy stew with a side order of middle finger in God's face.

Let's keep this out of DC long enough for us to laugh at those who predicted the 5.21.11 date, at least.

I actually think this thread just got a whole lot more interesting. Hasn't gotten ugly. Just people asking questions.

IMO you can only say so much about some guy who whiffed on a date in 94 now back again saying this is it.

But to each his own.

I'm all about the discussion. The topic being Jesus is just a bonus.

My question is, of the religious people in this thread, who seriously thinks the rapture is coming this Saturday? I guess I could make a pole.

It would be the most lopsided poll in the history of CP.

Do it. You'll be a record holder.

I'm basically staying out of this one. If I'm going to do my thing I'll keep it 98% to DC

Good. Not because I don't value your opinions but because once you start posting, Jenson will jump in and then the trolls from DC will come out and it'll just be a ****ing mess.

"I prefer Heaven for the climate and Hell for the company." --- Mark Twain

Well ? Two days left ?

Are we there yet?

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I'll be in my shed, ahhhh.........preparing :bong:


Besides as the JW's always said, "No one knows the exact time, but were in the last days, the light is getting brighter, there's a new thought, this old system is doomed, paradise on earth is at hand....."

That's what is misunderstood heavily.

You think that just because you get down on your knees, and tell God more lies about how you repent your sins that you are automatically forgiven?
God doesn't say lie about repenting....

He says REPENT!! The only people who truly repent, are people who are sorry for what they have done, and what they've become.
And they will be forgiven. People make mistakes. HUGE mistakes. Everone deserves a 2nd chance.

re·pent1    
[ri-pent] Show IPA
–verb (used without object)
1.
to feel sorry, self-reproachful, or contrite for past conduct; regret or be conscience-stricken about a past action, attitude, etc. (often followed by of ): He repented after his thoughtless act.
2.
to feel such sorrow for sin or fault as to be disposed to change one's life for the better; be penitent.

Penitence, can be gained, and lost.

:spock:

Are we there yet?

I need to know if I should set up my scopes for Saturday night viewing. Its a lot of work and if the world is ending or there's gonna be 20% of the people that disappear I may need to check see if they left any better scopes laying about.

"the fatalistic despair that this world is too broken ever to be fixed."

Are you ****ing kidding me? This is the most awesome time to live in all of history! Other than to move forward a few years, there is no time in history that has ever been this awesome.

We are all very very lucky to live in this time. Even after tomorrow.

Pop Culture Signs That Doomsday Is Upon Us

10 crazy reasons the end of days might actually be here.

10. If Oprah Winfrey's ending her talk show, the whole world might as well end with it. Ahead of May 21, 2011, ABCNews.com put together a list of examples from pop culture that suggest Doomsday may indeed be upon us. Winfrey has held court as the queen of the daytime talk show for so long (25 years, to be specific) that it seems inconceiveable she'll end her reign on May 25. But maybe the big O knows something we don't ...

9. Think about the most famous people on TV these days. Jerry Seinfeld? Nope. Jennifer Aniston? Gone to the big screen. Instead, we have self-made reality TV stars like Bethenny Frankel and Kim Kardashian. Frankel recently made a reported $120 million by selling a line of low calorie cocktails to a major liquor distributor. Kim Kardashian reportely made $65 million in 2010. "Jersey Shore's" pouffy princess Nicole "Snooki" Polizzi got $32,000 to lecture to students at Rutgers University. Remember, these people got famous just by being themselves. Call it luck, call it talent, or call it a sign that the world's gone mad.

8. The comeback of leggings was disturbing enough. Jeggings, in all their acid wash and dark rinse glory, might be seen as one of the four horsemen of the apocalypse.

7. But they're not worse than denim diapers. Putting jeans on a baby's bare bottom? Have we all gone insane?

6. Worse still is the trend of people not wearing pants at all. Lady Gaga started it, shunning anything that even remotely obscures her upper thigh region in favor of skin-tight leotards. (When she wants to be modest, she puts on fishnets, as shown here.) Rihanna followed her lead. These days, the "S&M" singer favors spangled panty-like bottoms.

5. Italy actually let the cast of "The Jersey Shore" into their country. Why would they do that if it didn't think the end of the world would cut short Snooki and co.'s stay?

4. As the 1990s faded into the 2000s, it seemed one of the most disturbing epochs of music had finally come to an end -- the boy band era. But like a nightmare you just can't shake, it's back. New Kids on the Block and The Backstreet Boys are combining forces, touring this summer (assuming Doomsday doesn't destroy them, of course) to the delight of ... who, exactly?

3. In March, Charlie Sheen got fired from the hit show he once headlined, "Two and a Half Men." He launched a North American comedy tour in which he practically got booed off stage in city after city. And yet, according to Forbes, he made $40 million in the last 12 months, more than he's made ever before. It just doesn't make sense.

2. Maybe the world is about to end because humans seem to care more about their pets than they do about themselves. Time magazine reported in 2009 that annual spending on pets in the U.S. had reached $43 billion. After Doomsday does its work, perhaps cats and dogs will inherit whatever's left of earth.

1. Or maybe vampires will lord over the planet's remains. After all, they're so popular right now. "The Twilight Saga: The Official Illustrated Guide" isn't even a new novel in the series -- it's a guide to all of Stephenie Meyer's "Twilight" books -- and yet, last month, it was at the top of the young adult bestseller list. Vampires, if this is what we've come up with after more than 2,000 years of civilization, go ahead, take it, do what you will.

Oh hell yes, Dave, set it up. Should you survive, you may be able to catch the next big bang!

Why would this moron want to embarrass the shit out of himself like this??.....Again!?

DUDE...no!

I know...go back a few hundred years, HOLY SHIT!

Great he'll be on food stamps and welfare on Monday.

Well.. I guess it was fun knowing some of you. I can't believe I am going to spend my last hours on earth inside a ****ing Crate & Barrel.:doh!:

Too bad the end of the world is the day before the day after tomorrow and not the day after tomorrow.... I never thought I'd say this, but the Vancouver Canucks are going to the [slurp] (that's the sound the EOW makes, just fyi) [silence].

anyone going to spend their last day on earth ****ed up!?!! Imma get me some black tar heroin, snort all the cocaine on a line of strippers asses, pop some uppers, slam a bottle of jameson and pop a couple oxy's.

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If you go that route, you'll be dead in a few hours. You may want to spread that out a bit.

What time is the rapture? And which time zone? I just wanna be ready......

ESPECIALLY after tomorrow. Think of all the cool shit left to loot after all those people get raptured (or whatever it's called...)

Doesnt the war start after the rapture?

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I am so glad I'm agnostic and don't have these issues.

a drug an hour!11!!!!1!!

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Here you go.

Everybody sing!
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6pm eastern, I believe.

So we're 8 hours behind Jerusalem (if in CTZ). We should expect rapture to begin shortly before 4pm on Saturday then?

If you got some black tar on hand, the Oxy's are pointless.

I have it as 6:09pm in Jerusalem right now. So a time difference of 8 hours. That puts it at 5pm eastern on Saturday.

Not to nitpick, I'd just really like to narrow down when I can expect to die.

I'm a Christian and I don't see what issues I have.

Unless your time zones are off (I have no idea and I don't care to look it up) or math has somehow failed me, your estimation is correct.