Gross. I hate blacks.

He did beat out Grossman 4-5 times. LMAO

How does that make sense?

Orton's a free agent after the season. Cassel's out for the season. Unless they claim Orton & sign an extension (PLEASE GOD NO), this has nothing to do with Cassel. It's more of a "we have no faith in Palko" thing (which they should have known all along, but that's another argument).

Only good thing would be that maybe King Neckbeard comes in & plays well, showing Pioli that Casshole isn't anywhere near a franchise QB...

From a stats standpoint they are about the same guy.

Fans dictated that move and they didn't want to pay him.

Elway thought the Donks would be a lost cause with Tebow and it backfired on him.
Elway wanted that pick

that is my point.

LMAO.... fans don't dictate moves bud...

How does having a guy like Palko make sense in the first place? Logical sense? IMO, the only reason they didn't sign a vet backup is because they didn't wanna hurt Cassel's fragile ego.

They do there

i'm hearing the Texans may have a problem fitting him under the salary cap, not the case for the Chiefs or Bears tho.

I don't really want Orton here next year, but I wouldn't mind being able to watch real football for the next 6 weeks.

I would also like to see Baldwin continue to develop.

I'm sorry, but captain popgun and his ultimate frisby delivery is not going to help in the development of Jonathan Baldwin.

Orton could help us continue to develop Baldwin and allow our WR corps to continue to build chemistry, not to mention give Albert, Asomoah and I'm sure Hudson (and yes, even Lilja) a much better quarterback to block for, which would allow them to gel a little bit more for next season as well. Those guys learn nothing about playing as a unit when they're blocking for a mad scrambler that wants to throw checkdowns all day. If anything, they'd pick up bad habits for 2012.

I'm sorry, but folks that are loudly against an Orton look are just shouting for the sake of doing so. I've been as vocal a 'draft a QB guy' as any, but Orton doesn't preclude that. Further, Orton would allow us to actually get something out of the last 1/2 of this season whereas Palko would just be marking time.

And yeah, I'd love to see us get Stanzi the PT, but it's not going to happen for whatever reason. The options are pretty obviously Orton or Palko. When those are your choices...you really don't have any choices. It's Orton in a landslide.

Sucking is relative, when it comes to QBs that Suck, and his suck is not even close the the level suckage that Palko is destined to display. For the rest of the team's sake, just do this.

Exactly!

You mean you don't like 7 yard jump passes?

How the hell does Orton help Baldwin grow? The guy got beat out by Rex Grossman and Tim Tebow. Check his stats they are the same as Cassel's.

Hunt is done writing checks for this season.

Goodbye, Tyler.

Kyle Orton is the shit we have to eat in the state we are in.

The Chicago Tribune and Fox Sports' Jay Glazer both report the Bears do indeed plan to put in a claim for Orton

I'm not saying having Palko anywhere near an NFL roster makes sense. And I tend to agree on your reasoning.

I just don't see how bringing Orton in would have anything to do with the front office's faith in Cassel, unless they were to sign Orton to a contract extension. If Cassel were healthy & we were having this discussion, I could see it. Since he's on IR, I see it as a "we don't like Palko" rather than anything to do with Casshole.

The shouts are so loud because they are more concerned at how the Donk fans will laugh if he fails...

Most of the fans here would rather lose than take what they perceive as other teams trash

yeah, they just better hope the Chiefs don't spoil it.

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Current NFL waiver order: IND, CAR, STL, MIN, (WAS, ARI), (JAC, MIA), KC, CLE, (PHI, SD), SEA, TB, TEN, BUF, NYJ, DEN (coin toss)...

Hell washington may take him

He actually took the job from Grossman before a mediocre start and an injury gave it back to Grossman.

And no, he didn't get beat out by Tebow either; that was based on draft status and 'politics' (much as Cassel being the starter was, or Tyson Jackson, or any number of other examples in the NFL).

Orton is actually a pretty accurate, pretty willing downfield passer. Look what he did for the development of Brandon Lloyd.

Orton's a competent NFL quarterback. He's not great, but he's competent. That's enough to help the progression of a rookie WR a great deal.

You're not really this thick are you? Do you truly believe that only Tom Brady or Aaron Rodgers would help develop Baldwin? Kyle Orton had a 2-1 TD/INT ratio and threw for about 3,700 yds/season w/ a completion% over 60% and a passer rating of 87 in his 2 seasons as a Broncos starter. That's definitely an adquate NFL quarterback and it can go a long way in the development of a raw rookie wideout like Baldwin.

Oh wait, I'm talking to Billay here. Yeah, you're just stupid enough to believe the shit you're shoveling. Nevermind.

FYP

This is more about training Stanzi, than it is anything else. Put Orton on the roster, suck up renting his ass, get the Denver playbook, get the knowledge from playing AFCW opponents, and let him go, next season. In the right place, this guy can do things.

If Chicago wants him, great. If they take him, maybe Zorn and his wife can meet Orton and his wife for dinner. And a lot of drinks.

Orton had guys that made circus catches like Marshall and Lloyd. He could just throw it to them. I don't know why Cassel didn't do this with Baldwin and Bowe more often. I know that's not important and it's sad that we are discussing having a QB that simply just knows how to throw the ball up to guys, but that's the situation we're in sadly lol.

The way Hollywood has been scripting the Broncos the last few years, it seems inevitable that Orton becomes a Chief.

Tebow vs. Orton, week 17, playoffs on the line. Roll 'em!

Orton would give us a better QB but we are still not winning the next 4. Signing gives us a slight chance at beating the Raiders or Broncos but thats about it. Still we need a veteran QB on the roster that could start for us if need to. Palko is just fodder and Stanzi is just a 5th round pick.

Good point. Cassel, nor Palko, have any touch on the ball. Stanzi does. Orton, sure as shit, does, too.

This.

Does anyone think Bowe is going to want to stay here if he's repeatedly thrown to by a reeruned monkey? You know he's going to get progressively more upset every week that they shuffle Palko out there to throw him the ball.

Why so defensive? Oh wait it's DJ the know it all who gets his beef curtains in a knot whenever someone disagrees with his bullshit opinions.

Elway has openly stated that Tebow isn't the guy so if Orton was worth a **** he'd still be the starter on the team.

A guy who doesn't even know the playbook with 5 weeks left is going to coming in here and really help out Baldwin? LMAO

We should do everything in our power to acquire an average at best QB so we don't have to risk drafting one in the first round. It makes perfect sense.

He had 7 catches for 87 yards.

He's going to be fine, and will be franchised.

:thumb:ROFL

It doesn't matter Bowe will be tagged at the end of the season and Orton is only here for 5 games before he would become a free agent.

Yeah....he'll be franchised. And then he'll pull the usual bullshit where he refuses to sign the tag.

Orton is not going to will this team to the playoffs. What he's going to do is give this team the ability to accurately see what they have on offense.

seriously if Bowe has to finish this season with a stain like Palko and a 5th rounder like Stanzi and then has to chance either a rookie QB question mark and/or Cassel again next season he absolutely will test FA or want a lot of money from the Chiefs to make it attractive for him to stay, because the QB options certainly are not.

no reason a guy like him wants to be around any of those god awful QB scenarios

I don't think Stanzi is the future. As such, I fully support Orton as a stop-gap over any of the brokedicks we have as a stop-gap.

Exactly. Rent his ass, and drive on.

And who would you rather have as a veteran QB here next year? Orton or Cassel?

I would rather this team resign Orton to a 1-2 year deal while drafting a QB in the 1st round.

Oh, I agree we should sign Orton.

But we won't.

Cassel will be the starter next season. Bowe has a good thing going with him. Everyone will be happy, Charles, Berry and Moeaki will be back and we'll have a mediocre season and everyone keeps their jobs!

I hope neither Orton nor Cassel were here, but if I had to choose between the two, I think it'd have to be Orton. :Lin:

Yes. But, remember last week's drop? Any, last nite? Bowe will treated right. Cobblepot's not that stupid.

I don't care if Stanzi is just a 5th rounder. He has the intangables to play QB in the Pros. With out opportunity he can't prove or disprove his value or show that maybe he should have been picked higher in the draft. He wouldn't be the first 5th rounder to make fame in the NFL if he does. It's an "if" but with out opportunity or taking risk then nothing is gained.

How about cutting Cassel, draft a QB in the first round, re-up Orton to be the UHAUL until the 1st rounder is ready?

How so? He'll have a month to know the playbook and get adjusted to everything. That's not much time.

Apart from this being completely opposite of what I said, you're absolutely right.

It's easy to deconstruct arguments you've made up from whole cloth, isn't it?

I'd rather solidify our spot in the draft and then sign Jason Campbell as the veteran backup for a year or two.

:thumb: / Carl Peterson

It's easy to pretend like you know everything from your dorm room isn't it?

You would be better off signing fatass Jameatloaf than play Palko

This. Bring him in, let him mentor the new guy that I really hope we get (maybe Jones or Landry).

Aren't those guys the same...guy?

Stanzi should be the starter the last 6 games period.

Yeah....and Thomas Jones should be cut. Neither one of these things is going to happen though.

Try again, sweetheart. I'm not gonna get into an employment dick measuring contest with you, but I'm also not at all worried about the possibility of losing it.

You're the one that lacked the reading comprehension to adequately rebut anything I said so instead resorted to making up scenarios I never suggested. Nice attempt at obfuscation, but you failed pretty miserably.

Go ahead and convince me that Baldwin isn't better off getting passes over the next several weeks from Orton than he is getting them from Tyler ****ing Palko.

Yup and when he sucks it leaves the door open for Cassel to get a contract extension

I'm surprised Pioli doesn't have it in ink already.

If you people dream of seeing no more Cassel, you better bring in a vet like Orton to prove it's his fault for the poor play.

I never said that was your take I choose not to engage your points because it's pointless in doing so with a guy who never thinks he's wrong.

I don't see how 1 month will help Baldwin out a lot i'm much more intrigued to learn about what we have in Ricky Stanzi he should be the starter. Either we have a guy who's capable to be a backup or a guy who needs another year at 3rd string next year.

BS. Agreed with the "this," but kicking a draft pick to the curb, is nonsense. Stanzi needs to ride the pine, until his number is called. And with the right ****ing plays, HALEY and MUIR!

Whoa, whoa, whoa...let's not get carried away here. :)

Yes which is why we don't need Orton. 40 years of bringing in serviceable at best QB's has led to our "next year" mentality. Orton will not be a long term solution for us so what does bringing him in this year do for us besides hurt our draft position. We need to draft high this year to get a QB that can actually be more than serviceable. All Orton does is jeopardize that with no real hope of taking us to the promised land. Remember he is being waived because he sucked so bad that Denver replaced him with TEBOW!

Clark says hold on everyone. That excess money is already spoken for by me and the missus. You have made it this far with 4 major injuries and noone signed. Deal with it

I Bet he goes back to the Bears an wins playoff game for them

Ok pop quiz

Who would be the best QB out of these 3 to prove to the coaching staff that Cassel is the problem

Orton (seasoned vet)
Palko (Todd Marijuanavich wanna be)
Stanzi (a 5th rounder who probably gets coffee for the staff during meetings)

R8ers. The voice of reason on a Chiefs message board.ROFL

We may wanna bring him in for a look.

But that's a two way street. He can choose where he wants to go, and KC may be far off the list because Haley is an asshole.

Yea it sounds stupid but they say he has a life mentor now who is guiding him in the right direction... I am afraid that dude will be back in the NFL one day and prove why he was liked by so many.

I am totally convinced it was the drugs and laziness that caused his downfall. If he ever learns to do without those two in his life, he could be a beast.

You guys mostly seen the shit side of him and that was the majority of his career but he had faint flashes of brilliant play at times.

He ruined the Raiders and I can't stand him but he has the tools and excellent footwork for a big man. His attitude and his refusal to play in the UFL or the CFL is why he has not gotten another shot anywhere I think...

Attitude.

And Johnny Carson says, in character: "WOOOoooooo!!!! Have we got a deal for you!! A used up, signature battle axe, endorsed by Carson Palmer! Guaranteed to last before the last three games of the season!"

That's what we get, for making the playoffs last year.

Does that give you any idea what the laughing stock is, that the AFCW has become?

(Leno will have some material, but we won't voice it! He'll just go with his old hometown, for his shitty monologues.)

Woah....I agree with R8ers all out. We need someone to show Cassel blows dick and it sure won't be Stanzi or Palko.

Alot of the people here are looking at it from an emotional stand point, I am looking at it as an objective football fan and just playing GM

If I thought my thoughts were read by anyone in the Chiefs organization when it comes to my brilliant mind, I would be quiet. LMAO

As insane as it sounds, I don't think Haley and/or Pioli want anyone to show that Cassel sucks.

It will take another Silver Thursday for Clark Hunt and his family to change. It ain't about winning for him, its about the bottom line. PROFIT

Raiders had a choice, start Boller and look like Palko for the rest of the year or try to do something about it....

Carson Palmer has taken command of the Raiders offense and has brought leadership to this team. How much is that worth?

You can hate on Carson, you can say he is old, you can say the Raiders overpaid but just think how Bowe and Baldwin would be feeling right now if they had a QB like Palmer throwing pinpoint accurate passes at them...

The Raiders made the move, the Raiders now sell out games, the Raiders are still winning with a injury riddled team... How can you argue with that? The goal is to win.

KC can...

Orton is not due that much only the balance of the season... 1.5 mil or less

What's the price of silver done, over the last three years?

Aren't the Chiefs keeping ticket prices flat/marking them down?

An economist told me, that it's all about expectations.

Or, expectorating, or, for this season, excreting.