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Titty Meat 12-02-2011 08:12 PM
Boss you keep talking about this weather thing like the kid has never played in Oregon, Washington, or Colorado. Can you give us examples of Qb's who's careers were ruined by weather?

tredadda 12-02-2011 08:13 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by whoman69 (Post 8162502)
Cassel and Orton have upside? I'm sure they'll be glad to hear it and so would we because its the first we've heard about it.
Which is exactly my point. They have no upside, so instead of wasting our time with these clowns, how bout we try our hand with either Barkley or RGIII?

tredadda 12-02-2011 08:14 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 8162503)
not sure I understand what you are talking about.

If you are round about talking to me, well...I have said a few times that I would take Barkley if we were sitting at #2 and I am one of the biggest Stanzi fans on this board.
Wasn't referring to you at all, just more of a general comment about some on here.

the Talking Can 12-02-2011 08:15 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 8162513)
So, you have nothing.

got it.
no, i've got you....LMAO


i remember when John Elway was down graded for playing in california....he had never thrown a ball in -45 degrees...Mel Kiper made a big stink about it on draft day


Kiper: "If you draft Elway, you better draft a pair of mittens too...."

BossChief 12-02-2011 08:17 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bo's Pelini (Post 8162520)
Boss you keep talking about this weather thing like the kid has never played in Oregon, Washington, or Colorado. Can you give us examples of Qb's who's careers were ruined by weather?
I never said anything remotely close to "it could ruin his career"....if I thought it could, I wouldnt say over and over that I would take him #2 overall.

All Im saying is that the weather takes something off passes thrown in cold weather and he already throws just an OK deep ball.

You guys are making a mountain out of a mohill.

FloridaMan88 12-02-2011 08:22 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 8161697)
:facepalm:

So, Barkley NEVER having played in a snow game in his life is of no concern to you?

Not even when roughly half his games in KC would be under these conditions?

JFC, if some of you want to just pick anybody and not talk objectively about their positives and negatives, to each their own...but some of us want to go in with our eyes open.
Roughly half his games in KC would be under snowy conditions?

Name the last real snow game in KC (not flurries... a legit SNOW game).

Barkley has experience playing in cold weather games... it was 30 degrees with a wind chill when Barkley dismantled Oregon's defense in Oregon a few weeks back.

This "Barkley can't play in cold weather" crap is complete bullshit.

Also it's not as if RGIII has a long history of playing in snowy conditions. He played high school and college football in Texas.

Chiefnj2 12-02-2011 08:23 PM
I love it when the Planet rallies behind a QB and defends the player as if they have no faults - it's so Sanchez and Clausen.

BossChief 12-02-2011 08:24 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by the Talking Can (Post 8162527)
no, i've got you....LMAO


i remember when John Elway was down graded for playing in california....he had never thrown a ball in -45 degrees...Mel Kiper made a big stink about it on draft day


Kiper: "If you draft Elway, you better draft a pair of mittens too...."
:facepalm:

Yeah, one thing Elway lacked was arm strength to overcome that factor.

Same goes for Aaron Rogers.

Or Brett Favre.

Or Matt Stafford.

Funny that those are the only examples people have brought up in this topic...all of them had full blown howlitzers.

Look, I dont know how many times I have to say this...Im not saying it could totally ruin his chances at being successful in the midwest, Im just saying that its one of the factors that will likely be looked into if he is to be drafted in the top 5 by a team in the states where weather is a big factor.

the Talking Can 12-02-2011 08:26 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chiefnj2 (Post 8162536)
I love it when the Planet rallies behind a QB and defends the player as if they have no faults - it's so Sanchez and Clausen.

i love reading idiots talking about how playing in California means a QB can't handle cold weather....

it ranks right up there with not liking a QB because of his haircut...you know, wind resistance or something...

the Talking Can 12-02-2011 08:27 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 8162538)
:facepalm:

Yeah, one thing Elway lacked was arm strength to overcome that factor.

Same goes for Aaron Rogers.

Or Brett Favre.

Or Matt Stafford.

Funny that those are the only examples people have brought up in this topic...all of them had full blown howlitzers.

Look, I dont know how many times I have to say this...Im not saying it could totally ruin his chances at being successful in the midwest, Im just saying that its one of the factors that will likely be looked into if he is to be drafted in the top 5 by a team in the states where weather is a big factor.
it's not one of the top 100000000000000000000 factors....good grief

just ****ing stop....please

'Hamas' Jenkins 12-02-2011 08:28 PM
This thread has taken a turn for the bizarre, and I disagree with Boss's analysis, but I'll give him credit for at least offering to critique a player.

For all the bitching about "drafturbators" there are far, far more chickenshit mother****ers who do nothing but go with the prevailing wind and bash whoever it is convenient to bash, whether it's a poster, the GM, the QB, et. al.

Fritz88's worthless ass comes to mind.

FloridaMan88 12-02-2011 08:31 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 8162545)
This thread has taken a turn for the bizarre, and I disagree with Boss's analysis, but I'll give him credit for at least offering to critique a player.
The "critique" you are having a wet dream over is completely baseless and full of bullshit.

"Half of the home games in KC would be in snowy conditions"? Name the last legit snow game in KC.

Also the same cold weather concerns could be applied to RGIII who has played both his high school and collegiate football in the state of Texas. Last I checked Texas wasn't Alaska.

DeezNutz 12-02-2011 08:32 PM
http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showp...&postcount=163

'Hamas' Jenkins 12-02-2011 08:35 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by KCChiefsfan88 (Post 8162550)
The "critique" you are having a wet dream over is completely baseless and full of bullshit.

"Half of the home games in KC would be in snowy conditions"? Name the last legit snow game in KC.

Also the same cold weather concerns could be applied to RGIII who has played both his high school and collegiate football in the state of Texas. Last I checked Texas wasn't Alaska.
What the **** are you talking about? Did I give that form of analysis one ounce of credibility or indicate an agreement with it at all?

What grade did you flunk out of? Jesus.

BossChief 12-02-2011 08:35 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by the Talking Can (Post 8162544)
it's not one of the top 100000000000000000000 factors....good grief

just ****ing stop....please
I make one comment and stand by it and all of a sudden Im a moron and and idiot.

Go **** yourself and your inability to talk about any of the faults (or even possible faults) of players you have fallen in love with.

If Im so wrong, surely you can back your side of this with something...anything other than personal insults....or maybe you CANT.

Like I said, you guys are making a mountain out of a mohill.

Titty Meat 12-02-2011 08:36 PM
I get bashed all the time i'll gladly fall on the sword for Barkley. That's my QB http://static.bbmp3.com/smilies/sadto.gif

DeezNutz 12-02-2011 08:37 PM
He either has the arm strength or he doesn't. He's either a pussy or he isn't.

If he's so much of a ****ing chickenshit that he can't play in cold weather, there would be numerous other pieces of evidence of his deadly disease of pussitis; it wouldn't be isolated.

FloridaMan88 12-02-2011 08:39 PM
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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 8162562)
What the **** are you talking about? Did I give that form of analysis one ounce of credibility or indicate an agreement with it at all?

What grade did you flunk out of? Jesus.
Did you forget what you posted?

YOUR words:

Quote:
This thread has taken a turn for the bizarre, and I disagree with Boss's analysis, but I'll give him credit for at least offering to critique a player
You are giving credit for a critique that is completely baseless and full of bullshit.

You obviously give credit rather easily. Do you give credit to Palko for trying to be a QB?

the Talking Can 12-02-2011 08:40 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 8162563)
I make one comment and stand by it and all of a sudden Im a moron and and idiot.

Go **** yourself and your inability to talk about any of the faults (or even possible faults) of players you have fallen in love with.

If Im so wrong, surely you can back your side of this with something...anything other than personal insults....or maybe you CANT.

Like I said, you guys are making a mountain out of a mohill.
i'm making fun of you for offering up one of the dumbest ways to criticize a player in human ****ing history...

stop it

don't ever say it again....EVER...it is that ****ing stupid

as for Barkley's weaknesses, anyone can google and find scouting reports that list his stengths and weaknesses....and guess what, none of them mention his inability to throw a football in -50 degree weather...

RealSNR 12-02-2011 08:40 PM
I don't like Kellen Moore because of all the traveling Boise State has to do. That's a lot of flying. What if one of the planes broke in two in mid-air?

'Hamas' Jenkins 12-02-2011 08:41 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by KCChiefsfan88 (Post 8162571)
Did you forget what you posted?

YOUR words:



You are giving credit for a critique that is completely baseless and full of bullshit.

You obviously give credit rather easily. Do you give credit to Palko for trying to be a QB?
I'll give him credit for offering. Note the verb, dumbass. Having the courage to state an opinion, regardless of its merit, and not hiding behind results.

An example: you are stupid as ****.

I'll give credit to Palko for trying to be a QB, just like I won't give credit to you for being a flip-flopping mother****er who was sucking Pioli's teats dry before he came here only to instantly turn on him, because you don't have the gumption to admit it.

BossChief 12-02-2011 08:42 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by KCChiefsfan88 (Post 8162550)
The "critique" you are having a wet dream over is completely baseless and full of bullshit.

"Half of the home games in KC would be in snowy conditions"? Name the last legit snow game in KC.

Also the same cold weather concerns could be applied to RGIII who has played both his high school and collegiate football in the state of Texas. Last I checked Texas wasn't Alaska.
you are one of the dumbest posters on this whole board.

Can you even read?

Seriously.

Hamas just sadi that he disagreed with me and you come back and say he is having a wet dream about my critique of Barkley?

You are a walking, talking advertisement for anal sex and condoms.

RealSNR 12-02-2011 08:42 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bo's Pelini (Post 8162565)
I get bashed all the time i'll gladly fall on the sword for Barkley. That's my QB http://static.bbmp3.com/smilies/sadto.gif
Just how safe are the USC QBs we draft everyday? :eek:

the Talking Can 12-02-2011 08:42 PM
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2012 NFL Draft Prospect Scouting Report:
Matt Barkley, QB, USC
Although USC is trying to regain their spot amongst college football's elite, Southern Cal continues to put out high quality prospects year after year, particularly at the quarterback position. Matt Barkley follows that trend as one of the top quarterback prospects in the nation.

Barkley's strengths show in his work ethic, leadership, and commitment to the game. He displays a calm demeanor on the field, very polished technique, and does a great job reading through his progressions.

Arm strength is a slight concern. At the next level, he'll need to improve his ability to drive the ball and put some velocity on medium routes. Athletically average, not particularly mobile but can make up for that by remaining steady in the pocket. Not afraid to hang tough and let the play develop. Accuracy is above average and can put a nice touch on short passes. Sometimes does not put enough air on deep passes, leaving wide receivers unable to make late adjustments to the ball.
http://www.fftoolbox.com/nfl_draft/p...ospect_id=2372


this guy is pretty bad though...he mentions arm strength but not the much more concerning inability to drink hot chocolate

the Talking Can 12-02-2011 08:47 PM
http://www.nfldraftblogger.com/2011/...outing-report/

this article links to 5 scouting reports of Barkley

all mention arm strength as an issue

guess what....none of them mention his fear of cold weather that has apparently forced him to play only in California....

DeezNutz 12-02-2011 08:47 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 8162577)
You are a walking, talking advertisement for anal sex and condoms.
Combine the two, just to be safe.

BossChief 12-02-2011 08:48 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by the Talking Can (Post 8162589)
http://www.nfldraftblogger.com/2011/...outing-report/

this article links to 5 scouting reports of Barkley

all mention arm strength as an issue

guess what....none of them mention his fear of cold weather that has apparently forced him to play only in California....
You aren't this stupid

NOBODY ever said it was a mental thing I was talking about.

Hammock Parties 12-02-2011 08:51 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 8162577)

You are a walking, talking advertisement for anal sex and condoms.
http://i41.tinypic.com/214cfly.jpg

the Talking Can 12-02-2011 08:51 PM
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Strengths: Smart, Saavy and Poised QB – Displays excellent leadership qualities – Tireless worker has shown improvement each year as USC – Tough Kid – Very Accurate, rarely misses an open receiver – Throws the receiver open – Can make all the throws necessary to succeed at NFL level – Displays good touch on both deep and short passes – Throws the deep and short out passes at an elite level – Understands defenses and has gotten much better at progressing through his reads – Very good to great pocket presence and awareness, doesn’t get rattled – Not overly fast but is utilized as rollout and bootleg QB often, where he possesses great accuracy – in the pocket – Keeps his eyes downfield – Honorable mention all-academic Pac 10 team as a sophmore

Weaknesses: Height is somewhat of a concern – Doesn’t have elite arm strength – Has had some of the best weapons placed around him, it remains to be seen if he can succeed with average/below average receivers- Needs to get stronger.

Last Updated: November 23, 2011
http://www.nepatriotsdraft.com/2011/...ng-report.html

his agent has done a damn good job of intimidating scouts....none of them mention that he can't play football unless the stadium lights are replaced with space heaters...

Chiefnj2 12-02-2011 08:52 PM
I don't think there is any correlation, in and of itself, between a player who plays in a warm weather college and playing in adverse weather in the NFL.

I do think that Barkley (a) has only a slightly above average arm, and (b) doesn't throw a real pretty ball. By that I mean you often see some wobble, especially on longer throws. I think that those two things might lead him to problems playing in colder and windy weather. And, whether people want to admit it or not, USC has always gotten top recruits who had top notch coaching for years. They don't seem to progress as much in the NFL from their college days. Even though he has a young team around him, they are very talented and USC plays a relatively easy schedule. All are concerns.

All that being said, is he a 1st round QB - yes. Top 20, yes. Top 10, I'm not positive. Should KC pass him for RGIII, yes. Pass him for a tackle or LB, no.

the Talking Can 12-02-2011 08:56 PM
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This Matt Barkley Scouting. Enjoy. All of our other scouting reports
Measurables:
6’2 220 pounds
Stats
2010:
62.6 completion percentage. 7.40 yards per pass attempt, 26 tds and 12 INT.

PROS: Will come in and be a leader of an NFL locker room, great personality, strong arm, improved accuracy, good athlete, former top HS prospect, hard worker, three-year starter at one of the country’s most prestigious football universities, Pac 10 academic All Conference honorable mention, runs a pro-style offense at USC. Strong arm, plays in a pro style offense. Good feel in the pocket. Durable, has yet to miss a start. Plus at reading coverages, will continue to improve going through his progressions. Has excellent ball placement…has some wheels…good size…can throw the ball on the run

CONS: Slightly shorter than guys like Peyton Manning, Cam Newton, Andrew Luck, etc., but that shouldn’t affect him at all, case of Jay Cutler syndrome first two years adjusting to college game, numbers haven’t blown anyone away until 2011. Is he clutch? He hasn’t been able to win some big games in the fourth quarter, holds onto the ball a little long. Inconsistent accuracy

Player Comparison: Drew Brees, QB, New Orleans Saints

I’m still working out all of the player comparisons as I watch the players more, but his big arm ability to make all the throws, play mostly in from the pocket, but also a guy who can throw pretty well on the run. They are similar in their ability to get rid of the ball quickly when they recognize a pre-snap coverage. Barkley is a little taller than Brees and a better prospect coming out of College (Brees has become an excellent pro though), Brees is more accurate.

Thoughts? There are probably better comparisons out there.
http://nflmocks.com/2011/10/01/matt-...report-qb-usc/


at this point, i am embarrassed by the state of QB scouting...i can only hope Pioli's Weather Based Player Analysis saves us from making a franchise destroying error...

in New England, they would bring in snow machines for pre-draft workouts...

Hammock Parties 12-02-2011 08:57 PM
Talking Can is ripping this thread up. LMAO

the Talking Can 12-02-2011 09:02 PM
i googled 'matt barkley snow' and found this:

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With the Denver Broncos two and a half behind league leader Indianapolis Colts in the Suck For Luck Sweepstakes, Donkey fans might want to head up to Boulder, Colorado tonight to see their future quarterback, Matt Barkley.

The USC Trojans head to Boulder, Colorado for a scrimmage game against Jon Embree and his rebuilding Buffaloes.

While we suspect the game will not be close, Barkley will have an opportunity for the Orange Crush fans get their Barkley on.

The competition is still fierce with other two-win teams in the NFL but the Broncos have a legitimate chance to get Matt Barkley, bringing him from the sun and sand to the Mile High snow.
http://www.sportspadre.com/tag/matt-barkley/

LMAO


what a ****ing maroon...he doesn't know that snow is Barkley's kryptonite....HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

the Talking Can 12-02-2011 09:05 PM
i rest my case...he won't even vacation in cold weather


Quote:
But last Christmas, USC quarterback Barkley was neither on the couch at home nor on the field preparing for a game.

Instead, he was in Nigeria visiting kids like the 14-year-old boy named Abraham, who was living at Transition House, an orphanage in Jos, Nigeria.
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/htm..._kelley08.html

where is the farthest, hottest place away from winter? ****ing Nigeria folks....

the Talking Can 12-02-2011 09:06 PM
The NFL Combine has QBs throw inside a meat locker.

the Talking Can 12-02-2011 09:09 PM
Kansas City should be scouting QBs in Canada.

DeezNutz 12-02-2011 09:13 PM
His worst collegiate game came after he consumed an Icee, according to one anonymous NFL scout.

the Talking Can 12-02-2011 09:13 PM
when asked why he passed over Rodgers in the 2005 draft, Peterson said, "Snow, you stupid son of a bitch..."

BossChief 12-02-2011 09:13 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by the Talking Can (Post 8162644)
The NFL Combine has QBs throw inside a meat locker.
ROFL

ok

that was funny

Can I change my goalposts to "cold AND windy"?

RealSNR 12-02-2011 10:15 PM
Word has it that earlier in the season Matt Kalil was listening to Miles Davis' Art of the Cool before a game, and Barkley made Kalil turn it off because it made him nervous.

The game? A loss to Arizona State

Titty Meat 12-02-2011 10:32 PM
Talking Can is on some other shit.

RealSNR 12-02-2011 10:35 PM
If Boss Chief were Frankie, we would be having another conversation about 159 IQs right now

BossChief 12-02-2011 10:37 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by SNR (Post 8162860)
If Boss Chief were Frankie, we would be having another conversation about 159 IQs right now
OK, THATS ENOUGH

ROFL

FloridaMan88 12-02-2011 10:48 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 8162576)
I'll give him credit for offering. Note the verb, dumbass. Having the courage to state an opinion, regardless of its merit, and not hiding behind results.

An example: you are stupid as ****.

I'll give credit to Palko for trying to be a QB, just like I won't give credit to you for being a flip-flopping mother****er who was sucking Pioli's teats dry before he came here only to instantly turn on him, because you don't have the gumption to admit it.
You are a gutless fraud.

You give credit for offering a shitty opinion?

LMAOLMAOLMAO

FloridaMan88 12-02-2011 10:50 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 8162577)
you are one of the dumbest posters on this whole board.

Can you even read?

Seriously.

Hamas just sadi that he disagreed with me and you come back and say he is having a wet dream about my critique of Barkley?

You are a walking, talking advertisement for anal sex and condoms.
And yet you can't back up your claims that Barkley would fail in KC because "half of his games in KC would be in snowy conditions".

You fail on so many levels with your baseless claim it is beyond funny.

Almost as funny as Hamas head up your fat ass.

FloridaMan88 12-02-2011 10:52 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 8162576)
I'll give credit to Palko for trying to be a QB.
LMAOLMAOLMAOLMAOLMAO

Seriously??

You should permanently brand DUMBSHIT on your forehead with a comment like that.

BossChief 12-02-2011 10:53 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by KCChiefsfan88 (Post 8162884)
And yet you can't back up your claims that Barkley would fail in KC because "half of his games in KC would be in snowy conditions".

You fail on so many levels with your baseless claim it is beyond funny.

Almost as funny as Hamas head up your fat ass.
Literally, every single comment or claim in this post is either the result of illiteracy or reerunation.

Wrap it up, folks.

FloridaMan88 12-02-2011 10:55 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 8162889)
Literally, every single comment or claim in this post is either the result of illiteracy or reerunation.

Wrap it up, folks.
And again ZERO GAME to back-up your claim that Barkley would fail in KC because he "can't play in the snow" and "half of his games in KC would be in snowy conditions".

You fail... DUMBSHIT.

BossChief 12-02-2011 11:00 PM
I never said that he would fail because of it, you dimwit.

I have said at least 5 times that I would draft him #2 overall if we had the opportunity.

I never said he "cant play in the snow" either, idiot.

I said he hasn't...that's it.

"half his games would be in snowy conditions" I thought most would be able to pickup what I meant by that...I guess I overestimated some of the guys here.

Snowy conditions = winter football.

Frozen ball
windy

stuff Barkley hasnt had to deal with (very much, if at all) while playing on the west coast.

'Hamas' Jenkins 12-02-2011 11:22 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by KCChiefsfan88 (Post 8162888)
LMAOLMAOLMAOLMAOLMAO

Seriously??

You should permanently brand DUMBSHIT on your forehead with a comment like that.
I tell you what, how about we put up a permaban wager:

You tell me how tries to play QB equals "is a good QB". Present your case to the jury. Persuade them and I'll kick off. Fail and leave.

Fair enough?

RealSNR 12-03-2011 12:23 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 8162928)
I tell you what, how about we put up a permaban wager:

You tell me how tries to play QB equals "is a good QB". Present your case to the jury. Persuade them and I'll kick off. Fail and leave.

Fair enough?
I would retract that bet if I were you. I hear this guy is one of the jurors

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_kx5e3Gvgzp...ew.vermeil.jpg

BossChief 12-03-2011 12:25 AM
Could you guys imagine Dick Vermiel coming back in as the coach with this defense and tools already in place on offense?

I think we would be deep in the playoffs next year...even with Orton.

RealSNR 12-03-2011 12:31 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 8162995)
Could you guys imagine Dick Vermiel coming back in as the coach with this defense and tools already in place on offense?

I think we would be deep in the playoffs next year...even with Orton.
McCluster would still be a worthless gizmo midget trick player... but he'd be a worthless gizmo midget trick player that everybody was talking about!

FloridaMan88 12-03-2011 02:25 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 8162898)
Snowy conditions = winter football.

Frozen ball
windy

stuff Barkley hasnt had to deal with (very much, if at all) while playing on the west coast.
LMAOLMAOLMAO

Nice back track. Now "snowy conditions" really means "winter and windy football games".

So would you define the game in Oregon earlier this month, where kickoff temp was 40 degrees, with wind chills in the 30's as "winter weather"? Barkley was 26-34 with 4 TDs and 300+ yards passing leading USC to the win.

How about USC's game at Colorado on November 4th? Game time temp was 41 degrees. Barkley was "chilled" to the tune of 6 TD passes.

All of this info. is at USCTrojans.com for your viewing pleasure.

You should really do some research and have FACTS to back up your bullshit claims.

Of course you have no facts. You have no game. You are a dumbshit fraud.

Game OVER.

FloridaMan88 12-03-2011 02:29 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 8162928)
I tell you what, how about we put up a permaban wager:

You tell me how tries to play QB equals "is a good QB". Present your case to the jury. Persuade them and I'll kick off. Fail and leave.

Fair enough?
JFC you are a dumbshit. You can't even comprehend how you are being whored.

Your "giving credit to Palko for trying to be a QB" is a laughable joke, whether you meant that he is a good QB or not, is not the point.

Giving credit to an NFL QB for trying? Is this like the second grade where you get an "A for effort"? Also if Palko actually is "trying" with 0 TD passes and 8 turnovers in his two starts (both losses) then perhaps that effort isn't anything to get credit for.

Another epic fail on your part.

LMAO

BossChief 12-03-2011 02:36 AM
Those are nice days in KC during half the year.

Call me when its 0 and windy and you are playing against Ed Reed.

Im gonna say it AGAIN since you havent seemed to have been able to read it the last few time I posted it.

I DIDN'T SAY HE COULDN'T DO IT, JUST THAT HE DOESN'T HAVE THE EXPERIENCE IN THE SITUATIONS HE WOULD BE FACING HALF THE YEAR IN KC. ESPECIALLY IN THE PLAYOFFS.

I have also said probably 10 times now that I would take him with the #2 overall pick if we have it.

Fritz88 12-03-2011 04:08 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 8162545)
This thread has taken a turn for the bizarre, and I disagree with Boss's analysis, but I'll give him credit for at least offering to critique a player.

For all the bitching about "drafturbators" there are far, far more chickenshit mother****ers who do nothing but go with the prevailing wind and bash whoever it is convenient to bash, whether it's a poster, the GM, the QB, et. al.

Fritz88's worthless ass comes to mind.
So calling you a draftshitulator hurts your vagina?

And since when did you become so protective of Pioli and Cassel?

I do enjoy your anger bursts, so please have one. It might be the reason I enjoy getting on your sensitive nerves.
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notorious 12-03-2011 07:44 AM
40 degrees in Oregon is winter conditions. :facepalm:


JFC


I want Barkley bad, but let's not full reerun with statements like that.

whoman69 12-03-2011 08:49 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by KCChiefsfan88 (Post 8163133)
JFC you are a dumbshit. You can't even comprehend how you are being whored.

Your "giving credit to Palko for trying to be a QB" is a laughable joke, whether you meant that he is a good QB or not, is not the point.

Giving credit to an NFL QB for trying? Is this like the second grade where you get an "A for effort"? Also if Palko actually is "trying" with 0 TD passes and 8 turnovers in his two starts (both losses) then perhaps that effort isn't anything to get credit for.

Another epic fail on your part.

LMAO
Give him a trophy and invite him to have fun in the UFL next year.

Bacillus Anthracis 12-03-2011 10:14 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Nightfyre (Post 8161872)
I don't think Barkley has the arm strength to succeed at the next level. The way he spoke about the Heisman in that interview also leads me to believe hes not a super team-player.
I live in SoCal so I've been able to see the guy play a lot. The kid can make all the throws. He reminds of Chad Pennington but he can put more zip on the ball. Plus he plays in an NFL style of offense. The transition to the pro game for him would probably have less of a curve than most other guys, Luck included.

I'd hate for the Chiefs to draft him.

Rausch 12-03-2011 10:21 AM
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Originally Posted by Bacillus Anthracis (Post 8163250)
I live in SoCal so I've been able to see the guy play a lot. The kid can make all the throws. He reminds of Chad Pennington...
Wait.......whut?

Chiefs Pantalones 12-03-2011 10:35 AM
I agree, let's not draft a potential franchise QB because it gets cold in KC in the winter.

milkman 12-03-2011 11:16 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chiefnj2 (Post 8162345)
With all of the training and coaching he's received in his life, I wonder how much more of a ceiling Barkley has. I don't know if there is much room for improvement.

Here is a detailed scouting report on him (cbssportsline):

Accuracy: Is generally a very accurate passer who places the ball in position for his receiver to generate yardage after the catch. Adept at the back-shoulder fade and in zipping slants between defenders. Has a tendency to throw slightly behind receivers running crossing routes from his right to his left. Is consistently more accurate to receivers running left to right. Good ball placement on touch passes down the seam. Struggles consistently hitting receivers in stride on the deep ball. Typically overthrows the route, making his receiver the only one capable of catching up to the ball. Doesn't own a howitzer, however, and some of his deep passes can hang too long as a result.

Arm Strength: Has the ability to make every throw, but has only slightly above average arm strength, overall. Zips short and intermediate routes, but relies more on timing and accuracy, rather than arm strength for the deep out. Only an average deep ball passer.

Setup/Release: Among his better attributes. Takes virtually all of his snaps from under center and gains depth efficiently while keeping his eyes downfield. Sets his feet and steps into his throws when he given room. Has a compact, over the top throwing motion with good follow-through. Has shown the ability to drop his release point to evade oncoming pass rushers.

Reading Defenses: Another strength. An intelligent passer who has the freedom and understanding of the offense to call audibles at the line. Good poise in the pocket. Trusts his protection and keep a running clock in his head, looking to secondary targets before vacating the pocket. Rarely throws into the teeth of the defense and when he does so, he shows good accuracy to adjust his throw so that only his receiver should have a play on the ball.

On The Move: Lacks the foot speed and agility to ever be a true threat as a scrambler, but is an alert ball-carrier who will take yardage given to him. Often used on rollouts in this offense, especially moving to his right. Impressive accuracy on the move, even when not allowed to set his feet. Has to learn to run lower and gain strength in his lower body to improve on the quarterback sneak.

Intangibles: The only freshman in team history to start at quarterback in the season-opener and the first for any team ranked in the AP's top five to do so since No. 3 Michigan's Rick Leach did so in 1975. The first true sophomore to ever be named a captain at USC. Legitimate concerns about his size and durability. Has missed at least one game in each of his first two seasons due to injury, including an ankle sprain in 2010 (missed second half of Oregon State, Notre Dame) and a bruised right (throwing) shoulder in 2009 (missed Washington). Also underwent surgery on his right wrist prior to 2010 spring practice.

--Rob Rang
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Originally Posted by Omega (Post 8162354)
Reads like a less mobile Cassel.
Reads more like Trent Green than Matt Cassel, and he's shown an ability to play big in big moments.

milkman 12-03-2011 11:19 AM
The stpupid thing to me here is that as Sanchez was being discussed, al the true fans used weather as one of the reasons they didn't like him.

I don't think, nor have I ever thought, that weather is a factor, but Boss Chief is getting shit for mentioning weather as a concern, even while saying he'd take him at #2.

notorious 12-03-2011 11:21 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Vanilla Thunder (Post 8163267)
I agree, let's not draft a potential franchise QB because it gets cold in KC in the winter.
Exactly.


I don't give a **** if the kid played in Ecuador. If he can make the throws and has the slightest chance of being a franchise QB, draft that ****er.

milkman 12-03-2011 11:22 AM
And to ChiefsFan88, he's the biggest douchebag dumbass on this forum.

He has no ability to comprehend what he reads.

He actually thinks that I liked Herman ****ing Edwards, and that should tell you everything you need to know about his intelligence and reading comprehension.

Rausch 12-03-2011 11:47 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by milkman (Post 8163337)
The stpupid thing to me here is that as Sanchez was being discussed, al the true fans used weather as one of the reasons they didn't like him.

I don't think, nor have I ever thought, that weather is a factor, but Boss Chief is getting shit for mentioning weather as a concern, even while saying he'd take him at #2.
Compare career stats with Elvis Girlbac.

Yeah.

Not impressed...

milkman 12-03-2011 12:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Rausch (Post 8163373)
Compare career stats with Elvis Girlbac.

Yeah.

Not impressed...
I don't even know what the hell you're talking about.

But I always say, stats mean jack.

FloridaMan88 12-03-2011 03:09 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Vanilla Thunder (Post 8163267)
I agree, let's not draft a potential franchise QB because it gets cold in KC in the winter.
Exactly.

If experience or ability to play in cold weather were a factor in drafting a QB then that would automatically disqualify half of the QB's in the country.

Bottom line is if you have legit criticism/concern for Barkley as a potential NFL QB... fine... you are entitled to your opinion.

But don't bring bullshit claims that "his inexperience in cold weather" is a red flag for drafting him high in the first round.

FloridaMan88 12-03-2011 03:13 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by milkman (Post 8163342)
And to ChiefsFan88, he's the biggest douchebag dumbass on this forum.

He has no ability to comprehend what he reads.

He actually thinks that I liked Herman ****ing Edwards, and that should tell you everything you need to know about his intelligence and reading comprehension.
You are a typical "go with the flow" homer.

Why were you against criticism of Haley's inane strategy this preseason that anyone with half a football IQ could see was doomed for failure?

Why were you against criticism of Herm Edwards as Chiefs head coaach when he was initially hired?

You are a typical "this is how it is now, I'll accept it" homer.

Continuing to go back and forth with you is pointless because you are a brain dead homer with an understanding of football that is comparable to Cassel's ability to play QB.

Time to pick up your game... DUMBSHIT.

Titty Meat 12-03-2011 03:16 PM
Lol Milkman is a go with the flow homer? You're a ****ing dumbass just delete now.

Fritz88 12-03-2011 03:19 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by KCChiefsfan88 (Post 8163784)
You are a typical "go with the flow" homer.

Why were you against criticism of Haley's inane strategy this preseason that anyone with half a football IQ could see was doomed for failure?

Why were you against criticism of Herm Edwards as Chiefs head coaach when he was initially hired?

You are a typical "this is how it is now, I'll accept it" homer.

Continuing to go back and forth with you is pointless because you are a brain dead homer with an understanding of football that is comparable to Cassel's ability to play QB.

Time to pick up your game... DUMBSHIT.
Shit if Milkman is a Homer then Obama is an octopus.
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FloridaMan88 12-03-2011 03:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Fritz88 (Post 8163809)
Shit if Milkman is a Homer then Obama is an octopus.
Posted via Mobile Device
The definition of a homer is someone who literally can't see or refuses to admit when their team is doing something wrong or pursuing a failed strategy.

Haley's strategy this preseason was a classic example of a doomed strategy.

Yet the poster above failed to see it or refused to believe it.

Blind faith, blind following of your team.

That is homerism 101.

Titty Meat 12-03-2011 03:26 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 8163138)
Those are nice days in KC during half the year.

Call me when its 0 and windy and you are playing against Ed Reed.

Im gonna say it AGAIN since you havent seemed to have been able to read it the last few time I posted it.

I DIDN'T SAY HE COULDN'T DO IT, JUST THAT HE DOESN'T HAVE THE EXPERIENCE IN THE SITUATIONS HE WOULD BE FACING HALF THE YEAR IN KC. ESPECIALLY IN THE PLAYOFFS.

I have also said probably 10 times now that I would take him with the #2 overall pick if we have it.
I can only recall conditions like that here during a Chiefs game a few times. Last few playoff games here it was 26 degrees and 53 degrees. The weather argument is silly.

Chiefs Pantalones 12-03-2011 03:30 PM
I, like milkman, The Talking Can, and most on this board, think that a lot of Chiefs fans will find any reason not to draft a potential franchise QB. Is it afraid of failure? Success maybe? Just draft one. Just one and see what happens. Do you think Andy Dalton made the Bengals cream their pants? No. Hell no. But they went for it because they needed a QB. Just try and you just might succeed. But you'll never know until you try.

BossChief 12-03-2011 03:45 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Vanilla Thunder (Post 8163267)
I agree, let's not draft a potential franchise QB because it gets cold in KC in the winter.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bo's Pelini (Post 8163832)
I can only recall conditions like that here during a Chiefs game a few times. Last few playoff games here it was 26 degrees and 53 degrees. The weather argument is silly.
Just a couple more guys that apparently cant read.

There isn't a single person here that wouldn't draft Barkley because of those reasons.

JFC

Its like an idiot parade around here sometimes.

I swear, someone could come on here and point out that Barkleys pinky finger is an inch shorter on his right hand than his left and there would be a bunch of little girls around to hug and caress Barkley while whispering "its not true Matt" in his ear.

FFS

If someone points out something as miniscule as lacking game experience in certain conditions as a area that could use some further looking into...but would STILL take him....even if the pick required would be #2 overall...that means he would take him.

Not pass on him.

Its not that hard, guys.

'Hamas' Jenkins 12-03-2011 04:02 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Fritz88 (Post 8163149)
So calling you a draftshitulator hurts your vagina?

And since when did you become so protective of Pioli and Cassel?

I do enjoy your anger bursts, so please have one. It might be the reason I enjoy getting on your sensitive nerves.
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Apparently there is an epidemic of illiteracy in this thread.

Let me spell it out for you, although I apologize for the lack of crayons and pop out images:

There is a difference between people who are willing to state and support an opinion, and those who do nothing but wait in the shadows to snipe, offering up nothing in return.

Most people on this board just agree with whatever the popular opinion is at that time. Chiefs lose, everyone is great, Chiefs win, everyone is horrible.

You are one of those ass mongrels, more than happy to snipe from the shadows, but never willing to offer an opinion of your own on anything that isn't just reciting popular opinion.

You might as well be a bot.

'Hamas' Jenkins 12-03-2011 04:04 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by KCChiefsfan88 (Post 8163828)
The definition of a homer is someone who literally can't see or refuses to admit when their team is doing something wrong or pursuing a failed strategy.

Haley's strategy this preseason was a classic example of a doomed strategy.

Yet the poster above failed to see it or refused to believe it.

Blind faith, blind following of your team.

That is homerism 101.
That could not be a more idiotic example of quote mining.

Bacillus Anthracis 12-03-2011 04:15 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rausch (Post 8163254)
Wait.......whut?
His style of play is similar to Pennington. He's accurate like Pennington was but he has a stronger arm. He can throw the 15-20 yard out route with good accuracy and get it there fast. OTOH, he doesn't have The Cannon that most NFL teams want.

milkman 12-03-2011 04:16 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by KCChiefsfan88 (Post 8163784)
You are a typical "go with the flow" homer.

Why were you against criticism of Haley's inane strategy this preseason that anyone with half a football IQ could see was doomed for failure?

Why were you against criticism of Herm Edwards as Chiefs head coaach when he was initially hired?

You are a typical "this is how it is now, I'll accept it" homer.

Continuing to go back and forth with you is pointless because you are a brain dead homer with an understanding of football that is comparable to Cassel's ability to play QB.

Time to pick up your game... DUMBSHIT.
I never once endorced Herman ****ing Edwards, you useless douche dumbass.

I hated the man from the moment his name was even mentioned as a candidate.

You continue to make this bullshit up.

Yes, I agreed with Haley's approach to the preseason, because it seemed a good way to avoid some of the early injuries that other teams might experience, and in fact, as conditioning is concerned, this team did avoid the hamstrings and muscle injuries that other teams faced early in the season.

Torn ACLs are not conditioning related.


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