Say we don't sign him. Do you have a player or position you would throw the money at that Carr would have signed for?

Probably. :D I was scanning expiring contracts for this upcoming offseason and there are a couple tackles and a few wide receivers I'd be happy to load the Chiefs up with. If Miami somehow lets Kendall Langford or Paul Soliai go, I'd throw $50 million at either.

Carl Nicks from NO if he gets outta there or Ben Grubbs at LG.

However I'd resign Carr first. You gotta lock up home grown talent.

@kentbabb
Kent Babb I asked him about that Sunday night. He said: "Does that sound like me?" MT @ArrowheadPride Carr "asking for a LOT" (in new deal)

****ing awesome. I doubt they will get anything done during the season, however. Conducting business during the season is bad form, imo.

THIS

Uh, no. That actually doesn't mean anything.

Tackles & WR's? That's your plan? You would rather give them 50 Mill than a good, homegrown CB?

:facepalm:

It means that the previous tweet was misinformation. It means a lot.

Sounds to me like Carr wants to be a Chief and that, as long as the money is reasonable, it won't be an issue. Maybe I'm reading too much into it.

So we can't tender Carr at a certain level to guarantee compensation if he chooses to sign elsewhere? I say re-sign him but if we don't we can still get decent compensation for him.

This is his 4th season in the NFL. He is no longer going to be a RFA.

Oh yeah the new CBA.

BCarr39Brandon Carr


Crazy, crazy day. I've seen and been thru so much in these 4yrs. But at the end of the day the motto remains the same: LDC

LDC?

LDC? WTF?

What the hell does LDC mean?

Least Developed Country?

Lost, Don't Care

Live & die a Chief.

Just kidding. No idea.

Awesome.

Pay the man. He's been nothing but professional and consistent. Also he and Flowers are besties. There's no telling if Flowers starts to slip w/o Carr. We have a chance at an all time Chiefs secondary, which is really saying something.

I'd much rather lose inconsistent Bowe - as painful as that would be.

This team needs Bowe just as much as Carr but I do think the team would suffer more from the loss of Bowe rather than Carr.

After Pioli went to bat for Bowe with the whole Haley thing, I think Bowe will be brought back for sure.

I don't want to lose either of them with millions upon millions of dollars free under the cap. These were homegrown players. Pay them and let's address other areas.

Great game once again. He deserves Flowers money and if the Chiefs aren't willing to give him that then someone else will in free agency.

They are 30 million under the cap with more money coming off after this year.

Would be a total embarrassment if he's not re-signed.

Arenas can't play on the outside, and Brown isn't and won't ever be as good as Carr, and I'm a Brown fan.

I don't see a better pair of corners in the NFL. Lock them up.

Carr deserves to get paid, and paid well.

It better be from the Chiefs.

that tightwad clark has plenty of money to sign carr and bowe, get it done...

BCarr39Brandon Carr

Wow, what a morning already!




Lets hope a new deal is in the works.

Sweet, let's hope...

Just drop Flowers' contract in front of him and call it a day.

Pioli !@#$ed this negotiation up before the season when he didn't lock him down like he should have, when his value was extremely low and he hadn't already set his 'ceiling' for corners.

Instead he did it in a backwards order, let it drag on and lost his leverage. Now the best decision he can make is to give him the market value so he can at least maintain leverage as it relates to Bowe.

Getting Carr signed makes the franchise tag on Bowe a done deal. So lets at least try to salvage something here by giving Carr what he's going to get anyway, giving it to him now and getting some negotiating leverage back with Bowe.

Pioli really did screw the pooch here.

Lock down corner?

"Lets ditch Carr"

He probably had his new bidet installed.

Extensions

NFL teams have until Saturday at 4 pm eastern time to submit contract extensions. In such cases, any increase in 2011 compensation is treated as signing bonus and prorated through the life of the contract, with 2011 as one of the prorated years


http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/...s-on-2011.html


Go get carr locked up

I've been told we are close enough to the cash cap that we can't sign him yet but that talks have taken place.

Impossible, where did the other 27 million in cap space go?

Projected AR x CBA Percentage = Players Share of AR. This is called the Player Cost Amount. For 2011, that amount is $4,556,800,000 (roughly $142.4 M per team).


Chiefs are at 119m so i dont see how they are close .http://chiefsblog.kansascity.com/?q=node/1766

I think he mean's Clark's Cash Cap.

We're close to that.

Lock
Down
Corner(back)

Cassel had a cash bonus of 7.5
Hali surely had a bonus, as did Flowers with their deals.

I've known the guy that told me that for about 15 years and he talks with Adam Teicher...if anyone wants more details I suggest twittering AT or asking him in an email.

I was told this right after Flowers signed his contract and have meant to follow up with it, but haven't had the time.

For younger players, like cornerback Brandon Carr, the possibility of moving on is a first-time occurrence. Carr has started every game for the Chiefs since arriving as a fifth-round draft pick in 2008 and is rounding out the final week of the one-year restricted free agent tender he signed in August.

“I’m just trying to seize the moment with my teammates and the guys that I’ve been here for four years with,” Carr said. “So many friendships were established and created here. I just want to make the most of it and go out there and have fun this Sunday

http://www.kcchiefs.com/news/article...d-4c0ff79cce35

I say pay.. If Houston develops more next year and we can find some better DE if we stick with the 3/4 our corners will look better then they have been.. Especially with Berry back..

Find better DEs??? In case you didn`t know, Tyson Jackson and Glenn Dorsey are major reasons why our defense has been stellar lately.

I understand it's a business and I'm sure he is preparing for all outcomes, but....

He sounds like a guy that sounds like he may be playing his final game for KC.

Cant you Transition tag Carr and Franchise tag Bowe?

adbrandtAndrew Brandt

No. RT @ChiefsandOsFan Can a NFL team use Transition tag and Franchise tag same year?



Well that sucks some team is gonna pay carr number 1 money.

I tend to agree.

In Bowe's case...you have Baldwin behind him who could very well replace what he gives you if he doesn't stick around.

We have nothing behind Carr.
Seems to me that signing Carr should've been the priority.

I'm going to be pretty bummed if Carr walks. I think he will though. Pioli is going to wanna play his boy, Arenas and move Brown in the slot.

Bonuses are pro-rated throught the time period of the contract

I don't see any reason why we should think Pioli lets Carr and Bowe walk.

Carr in 10 was on his rookie deal making 400k and in 11 signed his tender of 2million that was a 30% jump.Under the 30% rule carr cant sign a new deal till Mar 13 start of league year he has to hit the open market.


The Steelers and Woodley, a former second-round pick, are currently hamstrung with working out a long-term deal because of difficulties with the 30-percent rule under the old CBA, which expires in March. The franchise tag would keep Woodley off the open market and would buy both sides time to work out a long-term deal once a new CBA is reached.



The 30 percent rule applies to the renegotiation of any contracts.

It means that the player’s salary in 2010 can’t be more than 30 percent greater than the player’s salary in 2009. For players still operating under the minimum base salaries of a slotted rookie deal, that’s a problem. A big problem.



http://profootballtalk.nbcspor...-uncapped-year/

I cant find out anywhere if the 30% rule is in the new CBA need some help.Does anyone here know?

I have a bad feeling Carr will walk too...We'll probably franchise Bowe.

If he does go, this obviously makes CB a need. Arenas is best at nickel and who knows how Brown will turn out.

^ That would explain it then.

How is $2MM up from $400K a 30% jump? That's a 500% jump in pay.

I just mean the 30% rule smartass

Not trying to be a smartass, I will look up the 30% rule, this is the first I have heard of it.

Found this, and yea this could be an issue.

Anatomy of the NFL 30-Percent Rule

By Dominic Perilli

Often times with young, stud players such as Chris Johnson, Darrelle Revis, DeSean Jackson, and Patrick Willis, we hear a lot about what is called the 30% rule. The 30% rule basically states that a player’s new deal cannot be an increase of the annual salary of the rookie deal by more than 30 percent. When calculating the 30% amount of a contract, you must add everything but the signing bonus and other escalators (base salary + Option Bonus + Roster Bonus). Here is a quick example:
<table border="1" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"> <tbody> <tr> <td valign="top" width="74">Year</td> <td valign="top" width="74">Base Salary</td> <td valign="top" width="74">Option Bonus</td> <td valign="top" width="74">Roster /Workout Bonus</td> <td valign="top" width="74">Total Salary</td> <td valign="top" width="74">30% Amount</td> </tr> <tr> <td valign="top" width="74">2010</td> <td valign="top" width="74">$550,000</td> <td valign="top" width="74">0</td> <td valign="top" width="74">$100,000</td> <td valign="top" width="74">$650,000</td> <td valign="top" width="74">$195,000</td> </tr> </tbody> </table> As you can see, 30% of the total salary in 2010 is $195,000. Therefore, in the new deal the total salary each year can only increase or decrease by $195,000, and nothing more. Here is how the rule will be applied after signing a new deal:
<table border="1" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"> <tbody> <tr> <td valign="top" width="74">Year</td> <td valign="top" width="74">Base Salary</td> <td valign="top" width="74">Prorated Option Bonus</td> <td valign="top" width="74">Roster /Workout Bonus</td> <td valign="top" width="74">Total Salary</td> <td valign="top" width="74">Increase from Previous Year</td> </tr> <tr> <td valign="top" width="74">2011</td> <td valign="top" width="74">$650,000</td> <td valign="top" width="74">$195,000</td> <td valign="top" width="74">0</td> <td valign="top" width="74">$845,000</td> <td valign="top" width="74">+$195,000</td> </tr> <tr> <td valign="top" width="74">2012</td> <td valign="top" width="74">$845,000</td> <td valign="top" width="74">$195,000</td> <td valign="top" width="74">0</td> <td valign="top" width="74">$1.04 million</td> <td valign="top" width="74">+$195,000</td> </tr> <tr> <td valign="top" width="74">2013</td> <td valign="top" width="74">$1.1 million</td> <td valign="top" width="74">0</td> <td valign="top" width="74">$135,000</td> <td valign="top" width="74">$1.235 million</td> <td valign="top" width="74">+$195,000</td> </tr> <tr> <td valign="top" width="74">2014</td> <td valign="top" width="74">$1.295 million</td> <td valign="top" width="74">0</td> <td valign="top" width="74">$135,000</td> <td valign="top" width="74">$1.43 million</td> <td valign="top" width="74">+$195,000</td> </tr> </tbody> </table> Some of you may be asking why we sometimes see players like Patrick Willis getting these mega deals while still on his rookie contract. Well, that is what signing bonuses and escalators are for. Teams often give a player like Willis a huge signing bonus and a lot of easily achievable escalators.
Let’s face it – The rules in the NFL CBA are mostly on the side of the individual teams and not the players. This is mostly evident in the fact that a club can end a player’s contract if he doesn’t perform well enough. The player cannot just terminate his contract if he’s not happy, so that’s why we hear a lot about holdouts. When I was younger boy entering my teens, I would often stage holdouts at my house. I knew I had no say in my household and the rules heavily favored my parents. In order to combat that, I would refuse to go out when my parents wanted to. That’s kind of a random example, but hopefully makes the situation more clear.

Do you know if that rule made it into the new CBA?

http://www.610sports.com/topic/play_...udioId=5620695

Yup its the 30% rule nick wright talked about it today

There are only two teams that scare me in regards to the Brandon Carr situation.

Oakland and Washington

Brandon has every intent of re-signing here and the only way he doesn't is if another offer is head and shoulders above Flowers deal.

Dan Snyder scares me in this situation.

So we won't know anything about Carr until 3/13 at the earliest?

It seems that way.

Because Oakland has the money to spend on another CB.

I would be scared of the PATS they have no DB'S

Patriots would sign him in a minute and I would ****ing cry and break stuff

What makes it worse is he is such a character guy and would make such a great fit there. And Pioli was supposed to bring the "Patriots Way" here...Not that any of us wanted to do things the Patriots way besides the winning part. So much for that, and re-signing homegrown guys. What kind of message does that send to the young players in the organization coming up, as well as FA prospects looking for a place to sign. "We don't want to pay our young players and the only FAs we will sign are second rate guys that are cheap versions of the first rate guys." Yeah, that's the type of organization I would want to play for.

Somebody needs to spell this out for me:

1. Can Carr sign with any team prior to March 13th?

2. Can the Chiefs sign Carr during this three-month layover?

No one can sign him till mar 13

Can he entertain offers?

Do the Chiefs get a three-month window of exclusive conversations?

LOLWUT

If Carr signs elsewhere, it will be because somebody significantly overpaid during a timescale when we literally can't sign him till March.

Saying we haven't re-signed our own free agents is simply not true.

DJ
Flowers
Hali
Succop
Charles

Maybe we can get Bowe signed in three months, and stamp the franchise tag on Carr...

We don't want to pay Carr that much.

No*

Yes*





*Technically, these are the right answers, but there's always tampering.

There is simply no excuse not to re-sign Carr. As much as I bitch about us never being active in free agency, I'll still be somewhat happy as long as we re-sign our own guys. There is simply no excuse for having one of the lowest payrolls year after year if you won't sign your own homegrown talent. As far as I'm concerned I'll be happy with avoiding high priced free agents if it means signing our own guys.

Of course, Pioli had better pull his head out of his ass this year and realize we need free agency to add depth to this team.

if he hits FA we will lose any bidding war with any larger market so....

greggrosenthal gregg rosenthal
Brandon Carr will make a lot of $$ this offseason. Consistent, above-average starting CB. Only 26.

I would understand not giving him 50 million, but we need to get him resigned $35-$40 million range seems about right.

Carr, Flowers, Berry, Lewis could be the best defensive backfield in the NFL as soon as next year.

Right there is why he wont be back ......Cowboys or Pats will give him flowers money.

If we lose him or Bowe without getting something in return, I'll pretty much lose what little faith I have left and realize this franchise isn't going to ever pursue a championship.