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Groves 12-16-2011 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 8206712)
He's going to be wearing a glove.

On the plus side, he said he's worn one for a few games in Denver.

On the negative side, he said he's thrown his "whole life" without one and it feels weird.

He's gonna turn the ball over 3 or 4 times, bank on it.


Maybe he can take the snap with the glove on, and then take the glove off to throw the ball.

You know, like those one handed baseball pitchers.

Okie_Apparition 12-16-2011 12:43 PM

IF they let the media film it, it was only warm ups(1st 15 min)
but that's not good trollin info

BWillie 12-16-2011 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 8206617)
It appears that Orton could not have started if the game was yesterday but today he's good enough that he could.

So it looks like it will be Orton.

God damn it. I'd rather play Palko than Orton, cuz then we would have better chance to lose and get a higher pick. Orton serves this team absolutely no purpose unless they think they can make the playoffs, which they can't. If they were playing 3 tomato cans in a row, maybe, but they have to play GB. Put in the rook

Rasputin 12-16-2011 12:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Okie_Apparition (Post 8208554)
Stanzi must suck more cock than Skip Bayless at a Tebow rally
The news showed a clip of Orton making 3 throws under 15 yards. Two could be timed with a sundial. The other plopped in the dirt 5 yards short

Does not excuse Casey Wiggworm starting C and Hudson not taking that over. Are you insinuating Hudson sucks over Casey W?

I'm not buying that Stanzi sucks because he hasn't played. He is a rookie & Chiefs must have a written rule somewhere not to play rookie QBs.

Okie_Apparition 12-16-2011 12:49 PM

I've been through this asshole before
don't try pushing me through again

Chris Meck 12-16-2011 12:49 PM

This is disappointing news.

whoman69 12-16-2011 01:07 PM

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Originally Posted by BoneKrusher (Post 8208577)
IMO Palko played well considering he learned to offense from Cassel.

monkey see monkey do.

No QB ever learned anything from Cassel. Palko did many things that Cassel didn't know how to. He just doesn't have an NFL arm.

BoneKrusher 12-16-2011 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by whoman69 (Post 8208651)
No QB ever learned anything from Cassel. Palko did many things that Cassel didn't know how to. He just doesn't have an NFL arm.

i was talking about the INTs.

Halfcan 12-16-2011 01:22 PM

Orton misses two games because of a finger??? Wat a puss. Favre used to play with two broken legs and never missed a start.

bevischief 12-16-2011 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Halfcan (Post 8208691)
Orton misses two games because of a finger??? Wat a puss. Favre used to play with two broken legs and never missed a start.

That was Haley excuse not to start him.

whoman69 12-16-2011 04:30 PM

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Originally Posted by bevischief (Post 8208859)
That was Haley excuse not to start him.

Whatever, he wasn't even taking snaps from center earlier this week.

Nightfyre 12-16-2011 05:02 PM

At least Orton can put the ball downfield...

chiefzilla1501 12-16-2011 05:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Halfcan (Post 8208691)
Orton misses two games because of a finger??? Wat a puss. Favre used to play with two broken legs and never missed a start.

Anyone who says this has never thrown a ball before in their life. It has nothing to do with playing through pain. Throwing a ball on a dislocated finger isn't painful. It's just very physically difficult to do.

DuhChiefs 12-16-2011 05:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Halfcan (Post 8208691)
Orton misses two games because of a finger??? Wat a puss. Favre used to play with two broken legs and never missed a start.

Derp derp I'm a moron.....
LEGS do not effect your THROWING ability (or not as much)
Plus, Farve's an idiot.

chiefzilla1501 12-16-2011 05:23 PM

I've never seen so much hype around a 5th round QB.

There are plenty of good reasons for Orton to start. 1) Looking like a trainwreck in 2012... that's going to hurt our chances to get free agents this offseason, especially our own (Carr and Bowe -- two HUGE free agent signings). 2) whether people acknowledge it's important or not, selling tickets is a vital piece to giving our team enough money and getting blown out the last few games screws our chances to sell season tickets in 2012. 3) Sorry, but I believe if Orton pieces together a few solid games, that is the only way Cassel can fall out of favor.

-King- 12-16-2011 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by DuhChiefs (Post 8209323)
Derp derp I'm a moron.....
LEGS do not effect your THROWING ability (or not as much)
Plus, Farve's an idiot.

Where do you think you get throwing power from?
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DuhChiefs 12-16-2011 05:27 PM

Brett Farve didn't throw far enough to need throwing power when he was injured... He threw short slants and down checks.

Al Bundy 12-16-2011 05:30 PM

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Originally Posted by DuhChiefs (Post 8209342)
Brett Farve didn't throw far enough to need throwing power when he was injured... He threw short slants and down checks.

Why cant you spell his ****ing name right?

Red Brooklyn 12-16-2011 05:31 PM

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Originally Posted by UCF Knight (Post 8209347)
Why cant you spell his ****ing name right?

I laughed.

htismaqe 12-16-2011 06:28 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 8209313)
Anyone who says this has never thrown a ball before in their life. It has nothing to do with playing through pain. Throwing a ball on a dislocated finger isn't painful. It's just very physically difficult to do.

It has EVERYTHING to do with playing through pain.

He can throw the ball just fine, but taking a snap under center hurts like a bitch.

htismaqe 12-16-2011 06:29 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 8209331)
I've never seen so much hype around a 5th round QB.

There are plenty of good reasons for Orton to start. 1) Looking like a trainwreck in 2012... that's going to hurt our chances to get free agents this offseason, especially our own (Carr and Bowe -- two HUGE free agent signings). 2) whether people acknowledge it's important or not, selling tickets is a vital piece to giving our team enough money and getting blown out the last few games screws our chances to sell season tickets in 2012. 3) Sorry, but I believe if Orton pieces together a few solid games, that is the only way Cassel can fall out of favor.

If Stanzi started the last 3 games, they'd sell more tickets for next year, win or lose than if Orton wins all 3. Don't kid yourself.

crazycoffey 12-16-2011 09:55 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 8209450)
If Stanzi started the last 3 games, they'd sell more tickets for next year, win or lose than if Orton wins all 3. Don't kid yourself.

Even if Stanzi played like leaf?

Chiefnj2 12-16-2011 10:43 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 8209450)
If Stanzi started the last 3 games, they'd sell more tickets for next year, win or lose than if Orton wins all 3. Don't kid yourself.

Iowa fans are going to travel every Sunday?

htismaqe 12-16-2011 11:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2 (Post 8209945)
Iowa fans are going to travel every Sunday?

Listen to the radio...the "average" fan wants to see Stanzi just as much, if not more, than the vocal group here.

Frankie 12-17-2011 12:02 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 8210184)
Listen to the radio...the "average" fan wants to see Stanzi just as much, if not more, than the vocal group here.

It's like getting an expensive looking toy for a bargain price and never putting batteries in it to see if it works. Not knowing hurts even worse than finding out it doesn't. Fans are entitled to see that before their team spends valuable draft picks on the next QBOTF.

Okie_Apparition 12-17-2011 12:03 AM

Michele Bachmann wants to see Stanzi also

crazycoffey 12-17-2011 12:12 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 8210184)
Listen to the radio...the "average" fan wants to see Stanzi just as much, if not more, than the vocal group here.

It's not that we all want to see him, hell I echo this sentiment in my dreams/nightmares! It's just so discerning that Haley didn't jump to start him and Romeo isn't jumping to start him, I mean - if Stanzi's doing any good in practice you have to think he would've played by now.

What is he doing or not doing to not get a vote of confidence from zorn, Bill, todd and romeo?

I can not believe they don't let him play because they are afraid he'll play well....

Frankie 12-17-2011 12:17 AM

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Originally Posted by CrazyCoffey (Post 8210275)
It's not that we all want to see him, hell I echo this sentiment in my dreams/nightmares! It's just so discerning that Haley didn't jump to start him and Romeo isn't jumping to start him, I mean - if Stanzi's doing any good in practice you have to think he would've played by now.

What is he doing or not doing to not get a vote of confidence from zorn, Bill, todd and romeo?

I can not believe they don't let him play because they are afraid he'll play well....

I tend to see Pioli's fingerprints on this. Yes Pioli's draft included Stanzi, but Cassel is his prince. Stanzi made the mistake of playing better than the rest of the QBs in pre-season. That, IMO, sealed his regular season fate, because they didn't want Cassel to feel threatened and lose his magnificent playing abilities.

crazycoffey 12-17-2011 12:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Frankie (Post 8210287)
I tend to see Pioli's fingerprints on this. Yes Pioli's draft included Stanzi, but Cassel is his prince. Stanzi made the mistake of playing better than the rest of the QBs in pre-season. That, IMO, sealed his regular season fate, because they didn't want Cassel to feel threatened and lose his magnificent playing abilities.

I highly doubt that, Pioli as much as anyone can appreciate getting a young no namer some play time to see if he's got another brady over bledsoe scenerio.

Tribal Warfare 12-17-2011 12:28 AM

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Originally Posted by CrazyCoffey (Post 8210293)
I highly doubt that, Pioli as much as anyone can appreciate getting a young no namer some play time to see if he's got another brady over bledsoe scenerio.

I don't then why didn't he sign a better vet to backup Cassel? That's because any quality veteran backup can outplay Cassel any day of the week.

JD10367 12-17-2011 01:10 AM

When the Chiefs signed Orton, I pointed out that statistically he's actually even worse than Cassel.

Even if Orton was 100% healthy--which he isn't--the Chiefs know what they have in him.

This is the time to find out what they have in the players they DON'T know about.

Not playing Stanzi is short-bus reeruned. And if I were a Chiefs fan I'd be absolutely ripshit.

jd1020 12-17-2011 01:17 AM

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Originally Posted by JD10367 (Post 8210362)
When the Chiefs signed Orton, I pointed out that statistically he's actually even worse than Cassel.

Even if Orton was 100% healthy--which he isn't--the Chiefs know what they have in him.

This is the time to find out what they have in the players they DON'T know about.

Not playing Stanzi is short-bus reeruned. And if I were a Chiefs fan I'd be absolutely ripshit.

Except they are nearly identical statistically.

Cassels best year with the #1 WR corp in NE - 16 327 516 63.4 3,693 7.16 21 76 11 5 89.4

Ortons second best year in Denver and 3 less games than Cassel - 13 293 498 58.8 3,653 7.34 20 71 9 1 87.5

I'll take Orton over Cassel any day.

Crennel is auditioning for the HC job. He is not going to start a rookie QB for 3 games.

Hammock Parties 12-17-2011 01:19 AM

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Originally Posted by JD10367 (Post 8210362)
When the Chiefs signed Orton, I pointed out that statistically he's actually even worse than Cassel.
.

Not the last three seasons, which are the only ones that really paint a realistic picture.

Besides, just watch them play. Orton actually has ability to throw down the field. Cassel does not.

BossChief 12-17-2011 01:22 AM

You know whats sad panda?

Most of OrangeMane didnt like Orton because they felt he didnt throw the ball down the field enough.

After years of Cassel, we think of it as a massive upgrade in that category.

splatbass 12-17-2011 03:09 AM

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Originally Posted by JD10367 (Post 8210362)

This is the time to find out what they have in the players they DON'T know about.

It is easy to sit here and say that, but for the people whose job depends on winning treating a regular season game like a preseason game isn't quite as easy.

splatbass 12-17-2011 03:16 AM

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Originally Posted by CrazyCoffey (Post 8210275)

I can not believe they don't let him play because they are afraid he'll play well....

Exactly, it makes no sense. Their jobs - from Pioli on down - are dependent on winning. Sitting a player that is better than the starter is not going to keep them employed. It is ridiculous to think that Pioli or Crennel or Haley didn't want to start Stanzi because he is better than Cassel.

Pioli may have an ego, but he knows that putting together a winning team is more important than proving he made the right move by trading for Cassel.

splatbass 12-17-2011 03:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Tribal Warfare (Post 8210301)
I don't then why didn't he sign a better vet to backup Cassel? That's because any quality veteran backup can outplay Cassel any day of the week.

I don't buy it. If Pioli could win by signing a better QB I believe he would do it. His job depends on winning, not proving that he made a good choice on Cassel.

Fritz88 12-17-2011 03:54 AM

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Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 8210381)
You know whats sad panda?

Most of OrangeMane didnt like Orton because they felt he didnt throw the ball down the field enough.

After years of Cassel, we think of it as a massive upgrade in that category.

Anyone who throws the ball even if one inch past the first down mark is a major upgrade.
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Tribal Warfare 12-17-2011 05:09 AM

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Originally Posted by splatbass (Post 8210570)
I don't buy it. If Pioli could win by signing a better QB I believe he would do it. His job depends on winning, not proving that he made a good choice on Cassel.

Never underestimate Pioli's ego, and he doesn't want his 63 million dollar investment look bad by someone who has significantly lower pay grade. Ask yourself why they didn't try to sign a good backup but instead stuck with semipro reject in Palko. He'll go down with ship to prove he's right, and this is being verified by other independent sources also.

JD10367 12-17-2011 10:01 AM

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Originally Posted by jd1020 (Post 8210372)
Except they are nearly identical statistically.

I'll take Orton over Cassel any day.

Crennel is auditioning for the HC job. He is not going to start a rookie QB for 3 games.

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Originally Posted by splatbass (Post 8210557)
It is easy to sit here and say that, but for the people whose job depends on winning treating a regular season game like a preseason game isn't quite as easy.

If Crennel wants to start Orton over Stanzi because he thinks winning will make him the HC, he's not only delusional but also putting himself ahead of the team.

Orton is average. Nothing special. So average that he's been run out of TWO towns (Denver and Chicago) where they did NOT have Peyton Manning replacing him. He will bring the Chiefs absolutely nothing. If he plays average enough and the Chiefs somehow pull out a win against Green Bay, all it will do is solidify the false illusion that he's the QBOTF for the Chiefs and put their development back even longer. (And, frankly, I'm not sold as Crennel as a HC, so if beating GB makes him the HCOTF that could be equally bad.)

The Chiefs could have the next Tom Brady sitting on the bench. Or the next Curtis Painter. But they'll never know if he keeps sitting on the ****ing bench.

Chiefnj2 12-17-2011 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by JD10367 (Post 8210742)
If Crennel wants to start Orton over Stanzi because he thinks winning will make him the HC, he's not only delusional but also putting himself ahead of the team.

Orton is average. Nothing special. So average that he's been run out of TWO towns (Denver and Chicago) where they did NOT have Peyton Manning replacing him. He will bring the Chiefs absolutely nothing. If he plays average enough and the Chiefs somehow pull out a win against Green Bay, all it will do is solidify the false illusion that he's the QBOTF for the Chiefs and put their development back even longer. (And, frankly, I'm not sold as Crennel as a HC, so if beating GB makes him the HCOTF that could be equally bad.)

The Chiefs could have the next Tom Brady sitting on the bench. Or the next Curtis Painter. But they'll never know if he keeps sitting on the ****ing bench.

Crennel is not trying to put himself in front of the team by trying to win some games. God people are stupid. The players might want Crennel to be the next coach. The best way to keep Romeo around is to win the final three games. Beating Green Bay would be KC's Super Bowl. With Romeo as coach the players probably feel a bit safer with regard to their future. The players want to win these final three games and not have it be all about throwing a rookie into the fire when that rookie hasn't had the benefit of taking 1st team snaps until this past Wednesday. Blame Haley for not getting the kid up to speed the last 7 months, not Crennel for not doing it in 3 days.

BigMeatballDave 12-17-2011 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by JD10367 (Post 8210742)
If Crennel wants to start Orton over Stanzi because he thinks winning will make him the HC, he's not only delusional but also putting himself ahead of the team.

Orton is average. Nothing special. So average that he's been run out of TWO towns (Denver and Chicago) where they did NOT have Peyton Manning replacing him. He will bring the Chiefs absolutely nothing. If he plays average enough and the Chiefs somehow pull out a win against Green Bay, all it will do is solidify the false illusion that he's the QBOTF for the Chiefs and put their development back even longer. (And, frankly, I'm not sold as Crennel as a HC, so if beating GB makes him the HCOTF that could be equally bad.)

The Chiefs could have the next Tom Brady sitting on the bench. Or the next Curtis Painter. But they'll never know if he keeps sitting on the ****ing bench.

Kind of a dumb post. Orton may be average, but he has experience and gives the team the best chance to win. That said, I'd love to see Stanzi play.

chiefzilla1501 12-17-2011 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2 (Post 8210857)
Crennel is not trying to put himself in front of the team by trying to win some games. God people are stupid. The players might want Crennel to be the next coach. The best way to keep Romeo around is to win the final three games. Beating Green Bay would be KC's Super Bowl. With Romeo as coach the players probably feel a bit safer with regard to their future. The players want to win these final three games and not have it be all about throwing a rookie into the fire when that rookie hasn't had the benefit of taking 1st team snaps until this past Wednesday. Blame Haley for not getting the kid up to speed the last 7 months, not Crennel for not doing it in 3 days.

How do you know the players want him to be coach? this is purely a Romeo decision though I wouldn't be surprised if this is a directive from clark hunt. Understandably so.

Chiefnj2 12-17-2011 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 8210916)
How do you know the players want him to be coach? this is purely a Romeo decision though I wouldn't be surprised if this is a directive from clark hunt. Understandably so.

I said the players MIGHT want him to be coach. Why? I haven't heard anyone speak out against him. No rumors this week players were unhappy. Why? If he stays coach, he likely stays with the same D system. That means job security for a lot of the players. Why? I think players tend to prefer black head coaches. Whenever ESPN or SI does polls of which coaches players want to play for and those that they don't want to play for, IMO, black head coaches seem to get the benefit of the doubt from players.

lewdog 12-17-2011 11:53 AM

Been growing out my neckbeard in honor of Orton, for tomorrow.

NJChiefsFan 12-17-2011 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Fritz88 (Post 8210586)
Anyone who throws the ball even if one inch past the first down mark is a major upgrade.
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After watching Cassel for so long, seeing a guy throw a ball 15 yards will seem like they have a cannon and balls of steel.

I think that really helped add to the Stanzi hype. Seeing him attempt, let alone complete, 20 yard passes.

BoneKrusher 12-17-2011 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by NJChiefsFan (Post 8211284)
After watching Cassel for so long, seeing a guy throw a ball 15 yards will seem like they have a cannon and balls of steel.

:clap:
Castle put us all in a rut with those 3 yard passes.

Time's Yours 12-17-2011 03:50 PM

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Originally Posted by BWillie007 (Post 8208592)
God damn it. I'd rather play Palko than Orton, cuz then we would have better chance to lose and get a higher pick. Orton serves this team absolutely no purpose unless they think they can make the playoffs, which they can't. If they were playing 3 tomato cans in a row, maybe, but they have to play GB. Put in the rook

I see your point, but if teams just started intentionally tanking as soon as a playoff appearance seemed unattainable, this would be a pretty shitty league.

BigMeatballDave 12-17-2011 06:25 PM

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Originally Posted by BWillie007 (Post 8208592)
God damn it. I'd rather play Palko than Orton, cuz then we would have better chance to lose and get a higher pick. Orton serves this team absolutely no purpose unless they think they can make the playoffs, which they can't. If they were playing 3 tomato cans in a row, maybe, but they have to play GB. Put in the rook

Well, duh...

Unlike us, Crennel actually wants to win so he can keep the job.

Titty Meat 12-17-2011 06:26 PM

Dave how many Browns games did you watch when Romeo was the coach out there? Was he an abortion?

BigMeatballDave 12-17-2011 06:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Bo's Pelini (Post 8211518)
Dave how many Browns games did you watch when Romeo was the coach out there? Was he an abortion?

I've always watched the Chiefs, I haven't seen a lot of Browns games.

Not terrible. 10-6 at one point. Cleveland has never had much talent, though.

I don't dislike Crennel as HC, I'm just not crazy about it.

BoneKrusher 12-18-2011 10:13 PM

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Originally Posted by BoneKrusher (Post 8205365)
they may just shock the world on sunday.

we all know the Packers are gonna roll into Arrowhead thinking they have this game won based on the first 13 games of the season. (as they should)

if the offense can move the ball with the QB change and give the defense some help, i see the Chiefs turning this game into a dogfight.

the Chiefs did it.
we just shocked the world.

htismaqe 12-19-2011 09:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2 (Post 8210924)
I said the players MIGHT want him to be coach. Why? I haven't heard anyone speak out against him. No rumors this week players were unhappy. Why? If he stays coach, he likely stays with the same D system. That means job security for a lot of the players. Why? I think players tend to prefer black head coaches. Whenever ESPN or SI does polls of which coaches players want to play for and those that they don't want to play for, IMO, black head coaches seem to get the benefit of the doubt from players.

I think it's pretty obvious now that the players DO want him as coach. As do quite a few other people.

Congrats to RAC, he just made himself the front-runner for the job.

Reerun_KC 12-19-2011 09:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Dave (Post 8211562)
I've always watched the Chiefs, I haven't seen a lot of Browns games.

Not terrible. 10-6 at one point. Cleveland has never had much talent, though.

I don't dislike Crennel as HC, I'm just not crazy about it.

Uh Oh, we are agreeing on something here... LMAO

Reerun_KC 12-19-2011 09:19 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 8218792)
I think it's pretty obvious now that the players DO want him as coach. As do quite a few other people.

Congrats to RAC, he just made himself the front-runner for the job.

Just not a big fan of the quick knee jerk reactions after a win...

It would be best if you looked at his over all body of work as a HC and see how he preformed...

And we dont need to compare Cleveland and KC ownerships/players/cities, etc...

KC has been a shit franchise for many years.. We havent been any better or worse than Cleveland...


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