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Arrowhead anxiety: Turnover off the field causes concern
(https://chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=255076)
Changing culture from the ground up in an organization is tough. I've worked for Uncle Sugar for 26 years, 12 in uniform, 14 in civilian clothes. In my time in uniform there were times I had to "change the culture". I have had changes in supervisors every year or 3 for the whole time. Accountability and attention to detail are tough to instill in employees who don't have it because it takes alot more work. I've seen areas where "good enough" was fine for years then all of sudden wasn't. Usually the people who are most paranoid and upset are the ones who have been just "getting by". They don't choose to understand and adapt to the fact that supervisors can change the standards employees are held to. Resistance to change is almost universal. Pioli was brought in to change the culture of the Chiefs. None of us here know where the Chiefs were or where they are going on that side of the house. Listening to and believing disgruntled employees and media as fact machines is a quick way to get mislead. I doubt they're doing anything illegal to the employees or they would of been busted for it by now. If they are then it will come to an end end quick enough.
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Yup the wrong person was fired this year Pioli is a joke.
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When you’re mentally abused, you eventually lose it, too,” one former longtime Chiefs executive said
Right there is why haley played Palko . |
The leadership in this franchise is completely ****ed up. I can't believe how utterly dysfunctional we continue to be. Our fans deserve so much better than these assholes.
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Good Luck getting a real OC to come here with all this crap going on.
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What whole thing is blown out of proportion? The fact that the Chiefs produce a shit product, hold employees accountable, but the GM and the quarterback are held to a different standard? |
[QUOTE=tmax63;8297426 None of us here know where the Chiefs were or where they are going on that side of the house. [/QUOTE]
I do..Epic Fail to you... |
I agree with DRU. This is blown out of proportion. So he closes the blinds to practice. Maybe he thinks employees will be distracted by the team practicing and not on the task they should be doing. I know I would be. So he orders the blinds closed so people can focus.
The wrapper is a classic example of proving your point about attention to detail by making a big deal of a little detail. I doubt Pioli spends his days wandering around the offices looking for wrappers on the floor. I do know this. Organizations can be tough enough to run without people not buying into what needs to be done. If the boss man wants things done a certain way, then that's it. Look at the team Herm left. Yes it had some talent but it was fat and lazy and the result showed on the field. When Haley started he wanted players to get in shape and focus. Those that resisted that, got sent the door, but it seems as if everyone on this board was ok with that. What's the difference? |
This team hasn't won playoff game in twenty years and people think its only because of the players and coaches we've had? The culture that is defined at the top of the leadership ladder trickles down to the product on the field. After 40+ years of not making it to the Super bowl, might it not be time to clean house a bit?
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My SKC STH Account manager has called me no less than 5 times in the year Livestrong has been open. That franchise is running circles around the Chiefs. |
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The absolute best thing that could happen for this franchise would be for the Hunt family to sell to a group of local business people who live in the city and care not only about WINNING football but the community. |
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I'd tell you to kill yourself, but you've already probably tried that. Maybe this year, you can work on complete sentences. |
caplannflAdam Caplan
@kentbabb's story on Haley and what supposedly went on when he was with the Chiefs is fascinating. I just RT'ed it you didn't see it. Nice the National media is picking up on this. |
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What house cleaning are you suggesting? The only constant over the last 40 years is the Hunt family. Owners don't get fired, they sell the team, and that's not happening with Clark Hunt. |
When half of the former staff is gone, the other half is going to be paranoid as **** that they are next, or pissed off and fueling this fire because they KNOW they are next.
Ray Farmer, who I see as a straight shooter, says it's over blown. I'd be pissed too if some **** I'm paying to keep the place clean, went a full week without cleaning the stairwell. When Herm&Carl ware here, everyone wanted someone to clean this sloppy mess up. Now that you have it, you still cry like bitches. |
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He's never getting another HC job. Ever. |
This tells me Haley was paranoid. Pioli is just a micro-manager.
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Please tell me which QB we should have chosen. Mark Sanchez? Seriously. I don't think Cassel gets another year with Romeo. I just don't. I respect your opinion, and would really love to hear about the QBs that were available to us that you would have picked. |
Here's what's frustrating to me, and what this article brings to light - the depth on this team is for shit.
Maybe if the GM worried more about the talent on the field and less about coffee, doors used and gum wrappers, we'd be in the playoffs right now. The Chiefs won't be getting my family's money this season for the first time in 18 years. The information presented in this article reinforce that decision, to me, 1000%. |
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I would KILL for a Haley sit down, tell all interview right about now.
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Fat Scott and Clark need to hold themselves to the same level of accountability they are apparently holding everyone else in the organization to.
Bottom line, Fat Scott... you haven't done SHIT yet to prove you weren't anything more than a paper pusher for Bill Belichick. Accomplish something on your own first then you can act like a bully. |
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His game management skills? |
This is a great quote from a former lower level employee quoted in the article hat Fat Scott should burn into his brain:
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Reading this article makes me think Matt Cassel is not going anywhere as long as Pioli is here. Given how he preaches accountability, moving on from Cassel would be admitting a monumental failure that Pioli's ego cannot take.
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Would have been nice. Some scouts had Stanzi ranked as the same kind of prospect, and may well turn out to be. If KC picks Dalton, he never starts a game here last season anyway. |
Candy wrapper in stairwell this morning, expensive coffee in the machine. This franchise is afraid of me. I have seen its true face. The parking lots are extended gutters and the gutters are full of barbecue sauce and when the drains finally congeal over, all the Chiefs fans will drown.
The accumulated filth of all their season tickets and playoff losses will foam up about their waists and all the true fans and drafturbators will look up and shout "Save us!"... and I'll look down and whisper "No." |
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People here have let a butthurt whitlock schtick completely mold their opinion of our GM. |
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Stick with the devil you know. I asked for a solution, and the only one I've gotten is Andy Dalton, who has proven jack, and that was after Crapple was coming off of a 27-7 PO season. Were we supposed to replace him with..........? |
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He can make a coaching point out of not "picking" up a wrapper, but when our DBs aren't "picking" off a pass, nobody's fired!
And none of it bothers me really - as long as everybody knows they ARE being watched and listened to and they have ZERO privacy in their workplace. And last.....it must be good to be the king. If folks have been fired for things under the accountability heading, why not eat his own dog food. Will he walk away or make excuses? Do his players suck, or do they save too much money? And in keeping with the smoke and fire theme... Where there's secrecy, there's rules being broken. I hope this article is a straw on the back of the Clark camel's back. And it's not that I didn't want to see things blown up in this organization, unfortunately he needs to the blow up to be "up" (the chain) first to fix the real problem. He gets rid of the scum Hunt family and he'll have made his best fire yet. |
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SI_JimTrotterJim Trotter
a must read from @kentbabb this morning: http://www.kansascity.com/2012/01/14...nover-off.html I bet pioli is pissed LOL |
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kentbabbKent Babb
KC Star: Anxiety at Arrowhead: A behind-the-scenes look at the working environment inside the Chiefs' front office. http://bit.ly/yoW0b6 11 hours agoFavoriteRetweetReply Retweeted by @AdamSchefter Adam Schefter is coming out man i love it........ |
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Pioli is really unpopular with the media, it goes beyond thinking he's bad at his job. It's a genuine dislike. He must be pretty bad to them. I take this into account when I read things about Pioli. If he were well liked, he could have made the exact same moves, and would be defended by the media. They use the only power they have, the ability to sway public opinion, against people they hate.
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Nice.
An article that interviews disgruntled fired employee's about their boss... |
This is going to get real interesting. First of all, you can bet that there will be some big sports journalists looking deeper into this and trying to pry even more information out of these people.
Second, it sounds like the age discrimination suits are in full motion. Once that happens, you can bet that those involved in the suit are going to spill a lot of beans and that will happen under oath. And you can also bet that to build that case, their lawyers aren't going to stop at age discrimination. They're going to look for anything and everything that builds the case that the front office environment is toxic. Probably a good chance that they settle. But maybe not. |
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I've been a vocal supporter of Haley and still stand by it. I think he has the upside to be a good coach but caught in a really toxic environment. Shame. |
DannyParkinsDanny Parkins
And finally, the Chiefs provided eight current employees to do interviews for the story but not Scott Pioli? That speaks volumes. |
"This past year, Haley stopped talking on the phone and repeatedly checked his office for listening devices. After being fired, Haley didn’t respond to interview requests; many former staffers said they signed confidentiality agreements upon being let go."
Is that legal? Ordinarily, such agreements are signed upon hire. If I'm getting canned, why should I sign, except for a sizable severance? |
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So first off we finally get confirmation Haley was a raging tweaker.
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I have worked in organizations at both extremes as well as in the middle, but I don't think corporate America, let alone the sports industry, has a sound grasp of motivation principles. It goes well beyond integrity and accountabilitiy and unfortunately focusing on those extremes accomplishes nothing but sucking the self esteem out of those caught up in it. This is what decision makers never seem to grasp. Ralph Nader once said, the rich are too rich in this country. Think about that, it accurately foretold by well over a decade where society was heading and the outcome has been far worse than anybody could have imagined. As Jon Huntsman recently said in a debate when Romney suggested it was more important to align with party than for country, "...it's attitudes like that dividing us..." The people are frustrated because they want to contribute in positive and rewarding ways but they are powerless to persuade ostructionists who can't see that by a losing a little you ultimately win a lot.
I've said before that I liked Haley and thought he got a raw deal overall, but I honestly do not think Pioloi will survive more than two more years. Hunt will then move more in his father's direction and settle somewhere in the middle where contentent finally leads to success. |
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The Star will invest in a pair of clothespins for Babb and Mellinger, so they don't have to go at Arrowhead.
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Most will take from this what they already suspected. If you hate Pioli this will just fuel that. I'm still on the fence about Pioli, but what I know is he has no fans in the media, and they'll listen to anything Haley has to say, and they'll believe it because they want to.
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This sounds more like an episode of 24 than the operation of an NFL team.
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"Forbes downgraded the Hunt family for its five-year franchise value increase of just 3 percent and a five-year winning percentage of 36 percent."
Looks like Pioli's supreme secrecy plan is failing on and off the field. |
Maybe Pioli will be Hunt's scapegoat!
Shit runs downhill, Scotty. |
Kinda of Ironic. I just took a break from reading the Steve Jobs book this morning to read this article and hey, Scott Pioli = Steve Jobs.
Both control freaks, treat their employees ruthlessly and reaching great heights with one company only to run another into the ground. |
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I still hate Hunt, not in love with Pioli, but I get it too. My big thing, show me that everybody was told. if they were, STFU and work hard. And if it bothers you at all, don't sign anything on the way out the door, and let the world know the facts, not emotional opinions. Next step, hold the GD players to the same standard. They should fear a dropped ball, missed block, missed tackle, poor throw, a fumble, of a dumb penalty. More than one, then expect to clear-out your locker. So far that's not the case. |
One issue the story missed is that the Chiefs are facing a big Intellectual Property law suit too...Clark is going to be writing some big checks.
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The hunt family just sucks the root, they're here for the coin, and that'll always be their only motivating factor. And they want easy money - NO RISK!! F*** Clark! |
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Fear will keep the AFC West in line...fear of this football organization.
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What of the reports of the rebel Tebows, massing near Denver? |
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