Fat Scott is in the process of destroying this franchise.

Cassel, Romeo, the toxic environment he's created, etc.

Clark will of course stick with Fat Scott through 20+ years of mediocrity before finally making a move.

That is the Hunt way.

Hindsight is 20/20.

You act like he ignored the QB position.

He's been here 3 seasons.

He recognized Croyle and Thigpen wouldn't cut the mustard. Day one.

He gave up a 2nd rounder, not a first rounder and got TWO PLAYERS, that both happened to START.

He drafted Stanzi-LAST YEAR, less than 11 months, ago.

Two of the three years he has been here he has made a move at QB. Sorry, Stanzi wasn't a smashing success from day one, but Good Lord, give Pioli a break.

Look how long Carl stuck with players like Bartee and the guy NEVER had an interception in the NFL and STARTED.

Cassel is a stop-gap and has always been. Until somebody can actually unseat him, it wasn't a bad move and made sense at the time.

I find it ironic that he could somehow recognize that Thigpen couldn't cut it but then proceeded to acquire, essentially, the same player in Matt Cassel.

And Pioli should get no slack. No break. No evaluation year. He's the highest paid GM for a reason, and we should expect like results.

Matt Cassel isn't the same player as Tyler Thigpen dude.

Cassel is a capable backup that's it. It's time to move on and find a starter end of discussion.

True, Thigpen had better instincts, likely because he played in college.

He is wrong too often for one of those.

Unseat him? They never sought anyone to compete against Cassel.

In this regard, Pioli has failed miserably.

True.

I don't have time to look through 12 pages and wanted to know if there is a link for the rebroadcast of this interview or anyone have the .wav file?

Semi-mobile QB's who struggle to operate under center, have below average arm strength, and poor accuracy.

They're not the same player, but they do have the same warts.

At this point, as much as I hate to say it, but the best thing for franchise would be for Cassel not to be healthy and able to play. That appears to be the only way to keep him off the field, and the only thing that might get Pioli to invest in another qb.

So should we take up a collection to pay someone to go all Tonya Harding on Cassel's knee(s)?

I hate to wish injury on anyone, but I am starting to think it would be in the best interest of the franchise.

Well, pretty much confirms what we already know. It too damn bad that the people at 1 Arrowhead Drive are ****ing clueless,. I sure hope they take a hit on season ticket sales this year.

the way he hold on to the ball too long his injury exit will happen again this year.

Clark says : quit your bitching. I had a good year, $120 mil gross on my side and another $28 mil off the players side. Life is good

Because Pioli's underlings discovered him at USC and McDaniels developed him a la the next so-called coming of Tom Brady and Pioli be damned he will force a square peg in a round hole come hell or high water:rolleyes:

I really was looking forward to getting the NFL ticket again this next season but it looks like I will be waiting.

Tell Buck to start bundling up! :)

You know, everyone said that, but I'm afraid I didn't see the evidence of it.

Who honestly had a big free agency during the protracted period?

The Eagles are by far the #1 team for free agent moves. How did that work out for them?

The Saints grabbed Aubrayo Franklin and his 17 tackles.

If anything, the best teams were the ones that stood pat with their rosters - oh and the ones that prepped those rosters to play on gameday. But that falls on the head coach.

Pioli would look like much more of a genius if stanzi turned into a star than he would if cassel turned average

I don't expect we will ever find out for sure. I want Stanzi to succeed but I'm tempering my expectations with the fact he is a later round pick, and Cassel and Pioli are in love.

We are either going to the playoffs this next offseason, or getting a new GM.


I don't really see at this point how Cassel plays this season. Something is gonna have to happen, we weither trade up or sign someone else.

How the **** does someone who has a good eye for football talent, not see a glaring fail like Matt Cassel.

that's the problem. It's debatable if he does at all.

I think he does. The past 2 drafts shows that he does. That's why it's so hard for me to understand how he can possibly like anything he sees in Matt Cassel.

So we have Chadiha saying Haley didn't like Cassel and some other guy saying Haley liked Cassel.



This is gonna be a long offseasn.

Did he say Haley said that? In the OC the summary only says that Todd's dad says Cassel isn't good enough.

I think this might be a case of 1 plus 1 equals 3. It's amazing how often people will extrapolate facts in the absence of evidence ... no offense intended toward you, of course, Mr. O.city.

I haven't read anything that explicitly states that "Haley liked Cassel". What I have read is that Weis threw his hands up on Cassel, so Haley took over the job of developing Cassel. Then, when Cassel improved, Weis got the credit which irritated Haley. Haley admires and respects his father. I highly doubt that he would "like" Cassel as a player when his father called him trash on sticks.

I would also like to mention that the WR position isn't all about yards. Bowe's downfield blocking improved dramatically after Haley came along. In fact, it's one of the demonstrable reasons why some of JC's runs were so lengthy.

To me, it's beginning to look as though Dr. Evil has a "my way or the highway" philosophy that prevents him from seeing his own mistakes ... which, in turn, prevents him from correcting them.

Haley embarrassed Clark on the national tubewaves which is probably why he's gone. I don't think our core problems left with him, though.

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Have to hope that Pollard takes his knee out or someone else in the 1st preseason game...

Nobody ever said Haley liked Cassel.

why? he drafted them both and cassel lower and actually cassel twice...

ROFL funny how every bad pick is on pioli but every good pick is on someone else

Guess there's two ways to look at this:

1) Haley told the guy this story to say "I'm screwed."

2) Haley told the guy this story to say "I'm winning with a guy even my dad said sucked."

No offense taken Fax.


I was just reporting what I had heard on here.

I'm starting to get the feeling that 1 of 2 things is gonna happen.

Either
a. Pioli brings Cassel back, which will lead to fail and he will likely be fired or.
b. Pioli gets someone else to play quarterback with all the bad juju flying around it's gonna be hard to get fans in that stadium.

we're rat-****ed.

Hubris. Cassel is his genious pick and he can't see beyond that.

Honestly this is the make or break year for Pioli at the QB position. I will give him the benefit of the doubt before that. Because in

Year 1: He realized we needed a QB and traded for one (Cassel) who showed the potential to be a legit QB. Plus there were no sure fire QB's in the draft.

Year 2: Realizing that some of Cassel's struggles could have been the result of crap talent around him, Pioli gives Cassel more talent around him and Weis.

Year 3: No need to address the QB situation because Cassel is coming off a Pro Bowl season.

Now Cassel has proven that he is not the solution at QB and it obvious to virtually everyone. There are studs out there for the taking. If Pioli is unwilling to address the QB position in the 1st, then his job should be tied to Cassel.

For that to happen though the fans need to make their voices heard by not going to the games. Sadly what will happen is the fans will still show up because there are many outside of the message board realm that still believe in Pioli and Cassel. They will blindly support this team regardless. This team will win enough to keep the seats filled and thusly maintain the status quo. The fan base is so conditioned to mediocrity that a 9-7 season and a playoff berth is considered a success. We came close to a winning record and playoff berth this year with all of our injuries and brutal schedule. It will be much easier next year when they come back and an easier schedule.

That's all well and good, Mr. tredadda.

However, when the need arises, I hire experts who know more than I do about their given specialty area. A lot of people do that sort of thing.

Given that expertise has a purpose, is it too much to assume that NFL talent evaluators ... especially ones who have received numerous Executive Of The Year Awards ... should possess the capability to assess a quarterback's abilities without the benefit of observing three years of bone-headed decisions and screw-ups?

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3 years plus multiple years watching him in new engla d.

People tried to make these black & white declarations out of Charles Robinson's tweets about Haley and Weis, where Haley must have been for Cassel and Weis was against him.

Except Robinson never said any of that. As you said, FAX, the story was that Haley and Weis disagreed on how to develop Cassel and Haley took over those duties. Robinson never said that Haley loved Cassel. Likewise, he never said that Weis didn't like Cassel, and he specifically clarified that in subsequent tweets. He pointed out that if Weis didn't like Cassel then he wouldn't have come here and/or the team wouldn't have hired him.

You should call them up and ask for a job. I seriously doubt that any NFL talent evaluator has as much experience as you.

There is one person in the USA who disagrees with this statement, and by chance that one guy happens to be our GM.

thats the most depressing thing ive heard all month

I forgot that because we don't do piolis job we have no right to criticize obvious mistakes he is being paid millions to avoid.

Exactly. He isn't getting paid millions of dollars to be allowed to sit back and wait for every spec of dust to settle before making a move. He should be seeing things before the public does, not at the same time or worse, later. Most people can evaluate talent after years of watching it under 3 or 4 circumstances. If that was his job, he is getting way over-payed.

I wish that was true. If it was the pressure in KC would be multiple times higher on Clark than it is now.

Well if we are using all these stories as somebody "said something" than somebody did say this. A few months ago it was said that Weis didn't like Cassel and Haley did. Who knows if that is true or this is true or if either is, but on those grounds it was said.

It was not said. The person who expounded on Haley/Weis after Haley's firing was Charles "Lil Naitch" Robinson of Yahoo. Despite it quickly becoming common belief, including in this thread, Robinson never said that Weis didn't like Cassel.

He even went out of his way to make that clear:

https://twitter.com/#!/CharlesRobinson - Dec 13

And despite all this, people STILL think Robinson said "Weis hated Cassel".

Likewise, Robinson never said a word about Haley having any kind of particular fondness for Cassel, but people still act like he did.

Wonder how Weiss wanted to develop him, because that year, we very heavily relied on our running game. Cassel just didnt shit the bed. Its not like we did anything crazy with Cassel, it was basically, option 1-2, if no one open run. lol. our second option was the RB.

I would like to know how Charlie wanted to use him. lol.

He probably wanted him to try and tell which enemy dude was the free safety.

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I wonder if cassel witnessed pioli murder someone or something

Well I was there and I saw what you did
I saw it with my own two eyes
So you can wipe off that grin
Know where you've been
It's all been a pack of lies

(drum beat, drum beat, drum beat)

I can seeee it, wobble in the air toonniiiight...

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_3FFmuuuSqL...att-cassel.jpg

Hold on just a minute pal! Are you trying to tell me that CP takes small snipits of information and twists them to fit their own beliefs then use that twisted snipit as undesputable fact that they were correct and everyone else is a moron?

Are you trying to say that the good poster here on CP don't actually know what is really going on behind closed doors at 1 Arrowhead Drive even after all of their diligent tweet reading and internet surfing?

I'm not buying that for a second, not one bit.

Who said Weis HATED Cassel? This place is almost EXACTLY opposite of that - any time it gets brought up that 2010 was Cassel's one good year, the instant answer is "Weis".

Charles Robinson said Weis wanted to use Cassel differently than Haley and ultimately gave up and told Haley to take care of it. Haley was thus (reportedly) responsible for the run-first, completely unbalanced offense that gave Matt Cassel his one and only trip to the Pro Bowl.

Wrong.

Weis and Haley were at odds on how to develop Cassel.

It seems like a lot of people interpreted that as Weis said Cassel couldn't cut it, which wasn't the case. There's also an assumption that Weis gave up on Cassel, when in fact all he did was give the development of cassel to Haley. My guess is it had more to do with Haley trying to pull one of his "break him down to build him up" acts like he did on Bowe, and Weis knew that Cassel's vagina bruised too easy for that kind of approach.

None of that means that Weis didn't still have a lot of influence on the offense we ran, and it's success. In fact, everything about that offense suggests plays were being called in a way to least expose cassel. They weren't maximizing Cassel, they were minimizing him.

I agree, probably wasn't the the clearest post on my part. It's still early. :)

Hated him, didn't like him, thought he sucked, wanted nothing to do with him. I'm using these phrases interchangably. And any number of people have been parroting both that and the equally-unsaid "Haley loved Cassel" flipside over the last month and a half.

2/2 Update: Chadiha is on 810 again this morning. He told a story he heard recently about Pioli. Keep in mind that this story occurs after Pioli was already here in KC.

Apparently Pioli was in a meeting room and a tv on in the background was running a story on the Patriots and the 'Patriot Way'. I guess the tv report went on and on about Tom Brady and Bill Belichek. There was no mention of Pioli. Chadiha said he was told that Pioli got so infuriated that he was not mentioned that he got up, grabbed something off the table and threw it at the wall. He yelled 'I helped build that thing!'

So a grown man who is supposed to be leading OUR organization throwing tantrums.... These Chadiha interviews are very insightful, but so depressing.

That's the same exact thing that Paulie Walnuts would have done.

Coincidence? I leave that for you to decide.

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yup...and he said no way pioli cuts bait on cassel...

Not doubting we will start Cassel next season as I would put money on that...but where exactly is this Jeff Chadiha getting this information from?

chadiha killing pioli

claims pioli complained to Todd about coaches taking up two parking spaces, wanted it dealt with asap...

Not doubting it...

...just wondering who his sources are?

Muir, probably.

Muir has rat eyes.

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Why does Pioli care about parking spaces? Why is the GM of football operations given that much power by huckleberry Clark?

I really liked the Pioli hire when it first happened, but I didn't think there was this much douche in the bag.

don't know, but he obviously has people in the organization telling him stories...he's been bagging on pioli for almost an hour

again, just his opinion, but he is clear that he thinks pioli is petty a-hole focused on all the wrong details and that the work environment is shitty for everyone...and that Clark doesn't pay much attention or give a shit about anything but the numbers...

Insanity aside, this is an organizational issue.

Clark said he was going to separate the business and football functions into two, distinct operations. To my mind, parking spaces is a non-football issue.

Unless, of course, Cassel needs a few due to his spacial-recognition difficulties.

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sounding more and more like my Sundays are going to be free'd up.

pioli may turn out to be some super genious...but this just depressing to listen to...

we've become the assholes of the league

Did he have these ... er ... behavioral issues in New England?

If so, I don't recall hearing about it.

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I've really soured on this guy. No doubt he was the best hire at the time. So props to Clark for that move at that time.

But since then?...

- The Patriot Way talk (so sick of it)
- The secrecy this organization has taken on
- These stories
- The hiring of only his old buddies he has ties with
- Tyson Jackson
- Todd Haley
- And apparently feeling like he's tied to Matt Cassel

Is enough for me to be done with him. We'll see. If this team trots out Matt Cassel and loses, the stadium will be empty and that should be enough right there to make Clark want to make a move.

This and someone puts together a spreadsheet and send it to Clark showing how jersey sales would skyrocket it the Chiefs actually drafted and developed a QB.

Chiefs play 2 playoff teams next year (I'm not counting the Broncos fluke).

so, expect a 9-6 / 8-8 season, and a general mindset from teh Chiefs/Pioli of "all is gonig to plan. we're building with Cassel"

short of a couple of 24+ losses/blowouts, I don't see Clark making a change.

Had I been Haley I might have played Palko too. I'd seriously kill myself before having to work for this dickweed.

I heard Haley went into Arrowhead one night with black paint and pulled a Kramer. He enlarged his own parking spot to be double the size of Pioli's.

"Wider lanes"

Pioli didn't have the authority in NE to be such a dick. Now, he's top dog, and on a power trip. I guessing Haley called him out on it in front of other employees, and is why he had to go. This idea of it being a toxic environment because both guys had huge egos is nonsense. What GMs and HCs don't have huge egos? Had to be more than that.

Clearly, there was conflict between Dr. Evil and Haley almost from the get-go. However, did Haley make Pioli throw stuff at the TV because he wasn't mentioned in a news piece? I think not.

I know a lot of guys with huge egos. I even know this one girl with two huge egos. Most of them don't behave like spoiled children who bitch about candy wrappers and parking spaces, though.

I don't know ... there's a part of me that just wants to move on. Then, there's another part of me that wants to know what in the name of Bill Muir's Depends Budget is wrong with Pioli. He sounds unstable.

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Paulie Walnuts has much better hair than Scott Pioli.

I think your crystal ball is pretty clear. Very likely to happen