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tredadda 06-19-2012 04:08 PM
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Originally Posted by L.A.Chieffan (Post 8689054)
First year and Mike Solari.

Third different OC, multiple key injuries, insane HC
That excuse works for year 1, not year 3. Insane HC has nothing to do with averaging 1 TD a game and less than 200 yards a game. If you take out the game where he lit it up against the vaunted Colts his numbers would be even worse. To use the Charles's and Moeaki's injuries to justify that horrible production from him says alot. A good QB can overcome that, Cassel gets excuses made for him.

Chiefs Pantalones 06-19-2012 04:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Dave (Post 8689052)
True, but there are only so many elite QBs to go around.
Those are the only teams to be taken seriously. It's a QB league. If you have a franchise QB, you're competing for Lombardis. If you have a game managing QB, you're competing for a franchise QB. Until then, there's always next year, as they say.

Messier 06-19-2012 04:10 PM
Scott Pioli is the George Lucas of GMs, and Matt Cassel is The Phantom Menace of QBs.

L.A. Chieffan 06-19-2012 04:13 PM
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Originally Posted by tredadda (Post 8689070)
That excuse works for year 1, not year 3. Insane HC has nothing to do with averaging 1 TD a game and less than 200 yards a game. If you take out the game where he lit it up against the vaunted Colts his numbers would be even worse. To use the Charles's and Moeaki's injuries to justify that horrible production from him says alot. A good QB can overcome that, Cassel gets excuses made for him.
He had everything going against him last year. Internal struggles, injuries, third different offense. His OC was falling asleep in the booth DURING games. Everything was stacked against him, doomed to fail from the start. Only about three or four other guys would've been able to overcome that.

tredadda 06-19-2012 04:18 PM
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Originally Posted by L.A.Chieffan (Post 8689080)
He had everything going against him last year. Internal struggles, injuries, third different offense. His OC was falling asleep in the booth DURING games. Everything was stacked against him, doomed to fail from the start. Only about three or four other guys would've been able to overcome that.
He lit it up against Indy though in spite of all that. Just like his 27 and 7 year, he lit it up against the worst teams in the league. When he played against good teams he played like crap and his defenders made excuses for him.

thomas 06-19-2012 04:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Laz (Post 8688051)
only up to 22 on the countdown so far

30. Tim Tebow
29. Blaine Gabbert
28. Christian Ponder
27. Matt Flynn
26. Matt Moore
25. Kevin Kolb
24. Ryan Fitzpatrick
23. Mark Sanchez
22. Matt Cassel
21.
20.
19.
Well the AFC East isn't exactly burning it up is it...ROFL

L.A. Chieffan 06-19-2012 04:22 PM
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Originally Posted by tredadda (Post 8689095)
He lit it up against Indy though in spite of all that. Just like his 27 and 7 year, he lit it up against the worst teams in the league. When he played against good teams he played like crap and his defenders made excuses for him.
So you're saying he should SUCK against crappy teams.

Come from the dark side, hate leads to suffering.

tredadda 06-19-2012 04:23 PM
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Originally Posted by L.A.Chieffan (Post 8689104)
So you're saying he should SUCK against crappy teams.

Come from the dark side, hate leads to suffering.
Nope, but if he is good as you claim he should play well against bad and good teams. Since you have to defend and make excuses for him says alot. No hate, just don't think he is a capable starting QB.

L.A. Chieffan 06-19-2012 04:31 PM
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Originally Posted by tredadda (Post 8689110)
Nope, but if he is good as you claim he should play well against bad and good teams. Since you have to defend and make excuses for him says alot. No hate, just don't think he is a capable starting QB.
All your doing is making excuses to bash him.

tredadda 06-19-2012 04:34 PM
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Originally Posted by L.A.Chieffan (Post 8689121)
All your doing is making excuses to bash him.
ROFL Sure

Dallas Chief 06-19-2012 05:07 PM
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Originally Posted by BoneKrusher (Post 8688344)
if i were buying season tickets i'd be on Pioli's ass to get a legit QB.
That's actually why I gave mine up. I am done throwing away the $$$ on this team until it is not the same ole "it's a process, right 53" BS. How about you sign and play the best 53??? Novel concept huh?

RealSNR 06-19-2012 05:44 PM
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Originally Posted by L.A.Chieffan (Post 8689064)
Chan Gailey, my bad.
Damon Huard w/ Solari > Matt Cassel w/ Chan Gailey

Ace Gunner 06-19-2012 06:05 PM
#31 = Cassel
#32 = Falko

whoman69 06-19-2012 06:11 PM
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Originally Posted by chiefsfootballfan (Post 8689258)
#31 = Cassel
#32 = Falko
Who the hell is Falko?

BigMeatballDave 06-19-2012 06:15 PM
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Originally Posted by whoman69 (Post 8689277)
Who the hell is Falko?
Word play?

Palko + Fail

:shrug:

mcaj22 06-19-2012 07:40 PM
has BW's take been posted on it yet?

http://espn.go.com/blog/afcwest/post...l-22nd-best-qb


I think he agrees with most of us about the Chiefs this year. (Great positional talent that will sink or swim with a ****ing pisshole below average QB that needs a lot of design help to have a punchers chance)

also laughed at Jaw's actual breakdown:

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"Cassel is at his best in a managed offense that features run personnel, run formations and the play-action pass game. Play-action primarily gives the quarterback 'either-or' defined reads. Cassel is very good in that scenario. ... Cassel throws the ball better to the inside -- digs, hooks and throws like that -- than he does to the outside. That’s the way it is with quarterbacks with limited arm strength."

“In addition, the deep throws often come on first down. Play-action is almost always featured. As is six- or seven-man pass-protection schemes."
aka our QB is really bad.

SAUTO 06-19-2012 07:49 PM
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Originally Posted by BoneKrusher (Post 8688507)
hey TK, i changed the text on my sig to make it more fitting till Castle leaves.
http://i46.tinypic.com/20uz4wo.png
Pussy.
Posted via Mobile Device

Easy 6 06-19-2012 08:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Detoxing (Post 8689012)
"After doing tape study on Matt Cassel, ESPN's Ron Jaworski described him as a "function of the team around him" and a quarterback who struggles to make throws outside the numbers due to "limited arm strength."
"Cassel is at his best in a managed offense that features run personnel, run formations, and the play-action pass game," Jaws said. "Play action primarily gives the quarterback either-or defined reads. Cassel is very good in that scenario. ... Cassel throws the ball better to the inside -- digs, hooks, and throws like that -- than he does to the outside. That's the way it is for quarterbacks with limited arm strength. You give Matt Cassel a solid run game, a good offensive line, room in the pocket to deliver the football comfortably, and he can be a very efficient NFL starter. That's what he is. He's a function of the team around him, and he needs those pieces in place working effectively."
Jaws knows his quarterbacks, thats spot on.

If everyone else around him is a baller he'll usually win more regular season games than he loses... where the weaknesses rear their ugly heads is the postseason, a top playoff D that has the players to atleast partially stymie the run game without going all in to do it, have it made against him.

All they have to do is scheme to stop those digs, hooks & medium crossing patterns, hardly worrying about anything outside the numbers... i honestly see us winning one playoff game this year based on the overall strength of team & Cassel maxing out, but after that all bets are off... the best D's can shut him down.

BoneKrusher 06-19-2012 08:12 PM
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Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO (Post 8689511)
Pussy.
Posted via Mobile Device
yeah i'll take some.ROFL

BoneKrusher 06-19-2012 08:19 PM
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Originally Posted by L.A.Chieffan (Post 8688884)
This list is bullshit, Cassell should be in the top ten or twelve.
yeah, top ten worst starting QB's of the decade.

wazu 06-19-2012 08:22 PM
Cassel is the worst QB on that initial list. He will never, ever win a playoff game.

tecumseh 06-19-2012 08:28 PM
Matt cassel is cool with 22. And a bigass paycheck.

Messier 06-19-2012 08:45 PM
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Originally Posted by wazu (Post 8689632)
Cassel is the worst QB on that initial list. He will never, ever win a playoff game.
How do you figure he's worst on that list?

wazu 06-19-2012 09:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Messier (Post 8689748)
How do you figure he's worst on that list?
#30 has more playoff wins, for starters.

Messier 06-19-2012 10:21 PM
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Originally Posted by wazu (Post 8690057)
#30 has more playoff wins, for starters.
He has more than Trent Green too.

L.A. Chieffan 06-19-2012 10:53 PM
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Originally Posted by BoneKrusher (Post 8689618)
yeah, top ten worst starting QB's of the decade.
False

L.A. Chieffan 06-19-2012 10:53 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by wazu (Post 8689632)
Cassel is the worst QB on that initial list. He will never, ever win a playoff game.
False

mcaj22 06-20-2012 01:26 AM
there are certainly without a doubt 15 better QBs currently in the NFL better than Cassel

Rodgers
Manning
Manning
Brees
Big Ben
Brady
Romo
Vick
Cutler
Stafford
Cam Newton
Matt Ryan
Rivers

thats 13. hes not even close to any of them. That's not counting guys like Dalton, Luck, RGIII (dare you even also argue Locker, Weeden or Tannehill), and then there are game managers that are 10x better at being an average QB than Cassel like Flacco, Josh Freeman and Alex Smith.

so at least 19 QBs in the league are 100 percent definitely better no arguments.

BoneKrusher 06-20-2012 05:24 AM
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Originally Posted by L.A.Chieffan (Post 8690229)
False
Tebow comes into arrowhead completes three passes and beats you, that's worthy of being the worst starter in the league. ROFL

Rausch 06-20-2012 06:00 AM
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Originally Posted by mcaj22 (Post 8690333)

so at least 19 QBs in the league are 100 percent definitely better no arguments.
I can only think of about 5 starting QB's I'd take Casshole over...

Okie_Apparition 06-20-2012 04:06 PM
#21
Carson Palma

Coogs 06-20-2012 05:37 PM
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Originally Posted by BoneKrusher (Post 8690365)
Tebow comes into arrowhead completes three passes and beats you, that's worthy of being the worst starter in the league. ROFL
I know this is nitpicking, but Tebow only completed 2 passes.

And, this is one of Cassel's 3-16 games that went in the loss column. He put the ball in the air 28 times. Completed 13 of 'um for 93 yards for a 3.3 average. Don't know what more you can ask for put out of your starting QB? Has to be someone elses fault.

Chiefs Pantalones 06-20-2012 05:40 PM
Anyone have the vid of the segment from yesterday?

Pasta Little Brioni 06-20-2012 05:45 PM
I am Cassel Maniac

BoneKrusher 06-20-2012 05:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Coogs (Post 8691826)
I know this is nitpicking, but Tebow only completed 2 passes.

And, this is one of Cassel's 3-16 games that went in the loss column. He put the ball in the air 28 times. Completed 13 of 'um for 93 yards for a 3.3 average. Don't know what more you can ask for put out of your starting QB? Has to be someone elses fault.
Pathetic

mcaj22 06-20-2012 06:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Coogs (Post 8691826)
I know this is nitpicking, but Tebow only completed 2 passes.

And, this is one of Cassel's 3-16 games that went in the loss column. He put the ball in the air 28 times. Completed 13 of 'um for 93 yards for a 3.3 average. Don't know what more you can ask for put out of your starting QB? Has to be someone elses fault.


how would it be somebody else's fault other than Matt Cassel to come up with a stat line like that

whoman69 06-20-2012 06:08 PM
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Originally Posted by mcaj22 (Post 8691868)
how would it be somebody else's fault other than Matt Cassel to come up with a stat line like that
Central, we need a new sarcasm meter on level 5.

Reerun_KC 06-20-2012 09:54 PM
How about we update the thread? If we are going to do this shit. How.about keep it current?

BoneKrusher 06-21-2012 05:25 AM
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Originally Posted by Reerun_KC (Post 8692259)
How about we update the thread? If we are going to do this shit. How.about keep it current?
Currently: the Chiefs have a decent roster except for the starting QB.
*Updated*

JD10367 06-21-2012 06:53 AM
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Jaworski: "You give Matt Cassel a solid run game, a good offensive line, room in the pocket to deliver the football comfortably, and he can be a very efficient NFL starter."
Newsflash, Jaws: You give ANY quarterback in the NFL those things, and he SHOULD be a very efficient starter, for ****'s sake.

BoneKrusher 06-21-2012 07:05 AM
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Originally Posted by JD10367 (Post 8692481)
Newsflash, Jaws: You give ANY quarterback in the NFL those things, and he SHOULD be a very efficient starter, for ****'s sake.
:clap:
exactly.
even the worst in the league.

Pasta Little Brioni 06-21-2012 09:12 AM
Hell Jaws could probably still sling it around a little with those conditions.

Chiefnj2 06-21-2012 09:23 AM
Carson Palmer is 21 on the list.

3 of last years AFC West QB's are in the bottom 3rd.

Pasta Little Brioni 06-21-2012 03:09 PM
How does Norv still have a job again?

Hammock Parties 06-21-2012 03:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Messier (Post 8689075)
Scott Pioli is the George Lucas of GMs, and Matt Cassel is The Phantom Menace of QBs.
This is my favorite post in the history of Chiefsplanet.

Quesadilla Joe 06-26-2012 06:52 AM
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Here's last 5 in Jaws QB Countdown: 20. Bradford 19. Dalton 18. Hasselbeck 17. Freeman 16. Smith. #15 airs this morning on Sports Center.
https://twitter.com/gregcosell/statu...76212187463680

Rausch 06-26-2012 07:27 AM
Missed the Casshole show.

That should be good. Anyone have a link?...

Sweet Daddy Hate 06-26-2012 01:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Reerun_KC (Post 8688301)
ROFL

so how much did you contribute to Cassels salary?
So how much of my fandom/time/life has Pioli wasted with this turd?


Quote:
Originally Posted by Messier (Post 8689075)
Scott Pioli is the George Lucas of GMs, and Matt Cassel is the Jar Jar Binks of QBs.
FXD.

Quesadilla Joe 07-08-2012 11:44 AM
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Ron Jaworski listed Peyton Manning as 4th best QB in NFL, despite missing last year--not only does Jaws do a great job, but I continue to feel that many fans still do not grasp magnitude of Peyton signing--like Grand Canyon, too big to see at once.
https://twitter.com/broncos_sacco/st...14714060865536

BoneKrusher 07-08-2012 11:54 AM
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Originally Posted by DarthCarlSatan (Post 8702608)
So how much of my fandom/time/life has Pioli wasted with this turd?




FXD.
almost four years for me.

007 07-08-2012 12:17 PM
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Originally Posted by chiefsfootballfan (Post 8689258)
#31 = Cassel
#32 = Falko
shane Falco is better than both.

Ace Gunner 07-08-2012 12:32 PM
Fal - CO!

Fal - CO!

Fal - CO!

Fal - CO!

(it was on the tube at my friend's pad earlier)

Rain Man 07-08-2012 03:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Cassel>Manning (Post 8725630)
I'll take donkey questions for $400, Alex.

Okay, $400. A place where you ride don keys into a gigantic hole in the ground.

What is Denver?

No, the correct answer is 'What is the Grand Canyon'. I'll have to - wait, wait. No, the judges are now saying that Denver is also a correct answer if you're Peyton Manning.

Rain Man 07-08-2012 03:07 PM
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Originally Posted by BoneKrusher (Post 8725646)
almost four years for me.

Only about 20 minutes for me, but I'm traveling at 99 percent of the speed of light.

Just Passin' By 07-08-2012 03:18 PM
I can't take this seriously since he's ranking Peyton Manning at #4 when he's coming off of a down year and a lost season, has seen his TD% in decline for years and his INT% (and raw INT numbers) rising for years, and had declining QB ratings numbers in 4 of his last 5 seasons.

Rasputin 07-08-2012 03:26 PM
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Originally Posted by chiefsfootballfan (Post 8725690)
Fal - CO!

Fal - CO!

Fal - CO!

Fal - CO!

(it was on the tube at my friend's pad earlier)
Amadeus Amadeus

Oh

Oh

Amadeus

BoneKrusher 07-08-2012 03:33 PM
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Originally Posted by KC Tattoo (Post 8726060)

Amadeus
Rock Me :D


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