So you think he should be rated higher?

Not talking about the year they were drafted. I am talking about right now. Try again. You are the GM of the Chaga's and you can get either Eli or Rivers who do you draft? Why?

Peyton is the better passer in his prime no doubt. Eli is more clutch though. And they don't keep that as a stat. They don't need to. People remember that. But I would take either one of them. I don't think anyone would mind either of these two in KC.

Also didn't Rivers FAIL to make the playoffs a couple of years ago coming out of the mediocre AFC West with the #1 offense AND #1 rated DEFENSE?

If you step out of the box, you have to actually learn something about what it takes to win in the postseason and what it takes to win a Super Bowl.

Now, for all of Peyton's incredible regular season games in recent years, he has failed to live up to expectations in the postseason. EVERY single year that he's been there except when he won the Super Bowl, Peyton has choked.

1999 Colts lose 23-17 in OT to the Dolphins
Result: The Colts generated 11 points off Fiedler's interceptions but put a total of just 17 on the board.

2000 Colts lose 19-16 to Tennessee.
Result: Manning chokes. Colts lose, 19-16.

2003 Colts lose 41-0 to the NY Jets
Result: (14 for 31, 137 yards, 0 TDs, 2 INTs and failed to put a single point on the board. Manning chokes. Colts lose, 41-0.

2004 Colts lose 24-14 to the New England Patriots
Result: AFC title game against New England. Manning threw four interceptions. Manning chokes. Colts lose, 24-14

2005 Colts lose 20-3 to the New England Patriots
Result: Peyton 27 of 42 passes for 238 yards with 0 TDs and 1 INT. Manning chokes. Colts lose, 20-3 .

2006 Super Bowl Colts win 29-17 to the Chicago Bears
Result: When the Colts switched to a two back set in 2006, the backs both had amazing postseasons.

2007 Colts 24-28 lose to the San Diego Chargers
Result: Peyton 33 of 48 passes for 402 yards with 3 TDs and 2 INT. Manning chokes. Colts lose 28-24

2008 Colts 17-23 lose (Wildcard) to the San Diego Chargers
Result: Peyton 25 of 42 passes for 310 yards 1 TD and 0 INT. Manning chokes. Colts lose 23-17

2009 Super Bowl Colts 17-31 lose to the New Orleans Saints
Result: Peyton 31 of 45 passes for 333 yards 1 TD and 1 INT. Manning chokes.
Colts lose 31-17

2010 Colts lose 17-16 (Wildcard) to the New York Jets
Result: Peyton 18 of 26 passes for 225 yards 1 TD 0 INT. Manning chokes.
J.C. if you lose to Mark Sanchez, you damn better know you choked BIG time.

That is all.

Source: http://www.pro-football-reference.co...r_by=game_date

Now, may I suggest you take this information back to the Denver Broncos' forum and let them digest this.

Yours truly,

A fan of Peyton's big brother, Eli Manning :D

Careful showing scores like that! You might just discredit those who want to always blame the Colts defense for Peyton's playoff woes.

tredadda:

I got the defense issue covered.

To start - and this is only the start:

In the Manning era, the Colts have fielded two truly Super Bowl caliber defenses: 2005 and 2007. The 2005 team lost in the playoffs when the offensive line utterly collapsed - The choking of the Peyton Manning era in detail will be continued, only because I'm tired right now. :D

...and to all a good night.

Rivers could help his own chances by not turning the ball over in every playoff game he's ever played in.

His regular season stats contrast greatly with his playoff numbers, and not in the same way that Eli's regular season/post season numbers contrast.

Can everyone here at least admit that Eli is not as good as Brady, Brees, Peyton, and Rodgers?

More clutch than some of them, maybe. But he doesn't pick you apart game after game, week after week like those guys do.

There is a significant gap in my eyes between the top 4 and everyone else IMO.

ROFL Nice. I like this....Dylan/Gruden

2010 Colts lose 17-16 (Wildcard) to the New York Jets
Result: Peyton 18 of 26 passes for 225 yards 1 TD 0 INT. Manning chokes.
J.C. if you lose to Mark Sanchez, you damn better know you choked BIG time.

If Cassel throws for 225 yards 1 td and 0 interceptions on 18-26, thats a ****ing great game from him. lol Peyton? its a Choke. haha Whats even more ****ed up, is that, its more then likely a win for the Chiefs if that happens. lol

The guy with a broken neck isn't a top 5 QB anymore either....He didn't find the foutain of youth and return to a healthy lad in his mid late 20's

You don't know that to be a fact. Until he plays you have to assume he is the Peyton Manning of old. He hasn't shown otherwise.

The good thing is training camp is 3 weeks away and FOOOTBALL IS back on!

The Colts won 10 games in 2010 with Manning and 2 games without him. Seems to me he did all he could but didn't get help from anyone else on his team.

ooh, i agree, he had to do alot of what John Elway did early in his career, because he never really had a running game. The guys he had werent all that great imo. Im not hard on Peyton like some others are.

That team was built on pure wrs's and Defensive ends and hoped Peyton can just throw for 4 touch downs a game lol

I will assume jack and shit. Hell I wouldn't be surprised if he doesn't make it out of preseason.

Then get a caveman here because Cassel isn't as good.

I don't think Big Ben is on the block...

Why wouldn't he make it out of the preseason? He is at no greater risk to injury than anyone else.

The nerves in his arm is what kept him out last year. He couldn't throw the ball 20 yards last September, he can throw it 50 yards now.

Right there - End of story - Knowmo takes Phil "Choke" Rivers over Eli Manning. Rivers is "Peyton Lite" - Phillip had his chances - And he choked!

There is no helping this guy - full stop. LMAO

Here you go:
This is Ernie Acorsi’s 2003 scouting report to the Mara family on why the NY Giants should reach out for Eli Manning. Incredibly accurate insights. - Bless his little heart

Subject: Arcorsi’s note to Mara from Ole Miss from 2003:

http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2012/02...Big+Picture%29

One hit and he may decide it isn't worth it. He's had a long career, made enough money, and lil bro has already clinched winning more titles. It's close to pasture time.

Games during the season qualify you for the playoffs – It is what you do after that that defines your career.

That's it in a nutshell!



Good Lord, It's too early in the morning - I gotta go back to bed and get ready for Daytona! You know Knowmo - those fearless men behind the wheel of a race car going over 212 mph bumper to bumper, hearts pounding, knuckles white - it takes is one mistake - and mistakes will be made - It's called the "Big One" - cars go airborne - sparks flying - a couple catch fire - a blur - a sea of carnage - half the field gone - it takes your breath away - your heart is pounding - you become nauseous - and finally, as you come to your senses - you ask yourself - did your driver make it out alive?

You underestimate how much Peyton Manning loves football. The guy eats, sleeps, and breathes football 24/7 365. There has never been a player in the NFL who loved playing football more than Peyton. If Peyton had it his way he would probably play until he is 50.

This guy flew to Europe so he could get stem cell treatment so he could play in the NFL again.

If I had my choice of any QB to lead my team, Aaron Rodgers is my first choice, Eli Manning is my second.

I don't give a rat's ass what you do in the regular season.

When it's time to get on the biggest stage and face the brightest lights, Eli Manning delivers.

He can love it all he wants. Father time and becoming a shell of your former self awaits us all.

You were telling us in November that nobody loves football more than Tim Tebow. Before that it was Von Miller. Before that it was Champ Bailey. Before that it was whatever shit TE it was that you drafted

Are you like Peyton's agent or his PR guy?

Fluffer...

I said Tebow has the best work ethic in the NFL. Ever since he got traded more and more reports have came out saying that while Tebow did have a fantastic work ethic, he spent too much of his time focusing on weight lifting rather than watching film or working on mechanics.

50 yards?! Oooo!

18 years ago I could throw it 50 yards.

Matt Cassel can chuck it 60.

LOL

LMAO

Homer Central.

He's missed an entire season.

He has completely new teammates.

Its foolish to assume he's the Peyton of old.

I was just saying that he has made a lot of progress over the past year. His arm strength is back, he is just as smart as ever, and his ball placement is still the best in the business.

Although I am leaning toward Peyton being back to 100%, I will wait until HE IS ACTUALLY BACK so make statements like that.

Really?

Show us the game footage to prove this.

That's fair.

Everything that I have read from Denver media is saying that he looks (and sounds) like the Manning of old.

What are you expecting to see from Manning this year? Are you expecting him to look like Kyle Orton?

Even Matt Cassel looks good in practice.

I expect him to be terribly inconsistent early on due to missing a season and because of new teammates.

Don't know about Dave, but I am expeccting to see Manning performing at. or near, his usual level, with a few hiccups due to a lack of familiarity with his receiver's and his receivers still learning his system.

I also expect to see the same old Peyton Manning shit his pants moments in the playoffs.

I think you are confusing the word "expecting" with "hoping"

"Terribly inconsistent" is a pretty strong statement when talking about Peyton Manning. There will be a few plays here and there where he won't be on the same page with his WR's but not nearly as many as you are hoping for.

Manning has always played on flawed teams. Early in his career he had a great running game and a terrible defense. Later in his career he had a terrible running game and a good enough defense.

Teams with major weaknesses get beat in the playoffs, especially when you have to go through Belicheat to get to the Super Bowl.

Denver is the most complete team he has ever played for. They have the #1 rush offense, the #1 third down defense, great special teams, and now a franchise QB.

You, my friend, are a ****ing moron.

The Broncos were the number 1 rushing team last year because of TeBow.

Without TeBow, the run game will return to it's former mediocre level.

Now the passing game will take a huge step forward with Deliverance at the helm, but the defense will be put on the field more, and it's flaws will be exposed, primarily pass defense.

The Colts throughout Manning's career there had as much talent, if not more, as the Patriots.

When Manning was losing to the "Bellicheat" Patriots, they had better RBs and better receivers, yet Manning always shit his pants.

The guy is a choker.

His history in the playoffs stands as proof of that very fact.

He has come up big in the biggest moments once in his career.

I may be wrong. We'll see.

Regardless, Denver isn't the juggernaut you think it is.

Also, its hilarious and predictable how you've flipped on Tebow.

Aaron Rodgers and Drew Brees say hello.

ROFL He'll feel at home with the personnel in Denver. Shit running game without the extra fullback and well below average defense. Hell, he doesn't even have as many weapons as he had in Indy.

ROFL

Anyone with an ounce of football sense knew that to be the case, moron. Only people like you are just now discovering the truth.

Knowshon Moreno and Willis McGahee = #1 rush offense for Peyton.

The Chiefs had a pretty potent rushing attack in their Tyler Thigpen popgun offense with Kolby Smith. Peyton will advance the pass attack and the rushing will suck ass.

Maybe if you guys acquire the next Edgerrin James things will be different. Until then you guys are ****ed.

The craziest thing about KnowMos posts on here is that he isn't trolling.

He genuinely believes what he posts.

Not a Super Bowl! (Peyton)

WOW! :eek:

Is this sarcasm?

I'd put money on the Giants to repeat.

That is a stacked team, and they're replacing a swinging gate at RT. I think replacing Brandon Jacobs will pay dividends, too.

Clayton, The Giants are not going to repeat.

I was talking about Peyton and the Denver Broncos - not the Giants

But thank you.

Best,

D

Why not?

Probably the toughest schedule in the league for a team that doesn't tend to get hot until the playoffs. They may be outside looking in come playoff time. Were they as bad as their defensive ranking was last year. Probably not, but they are far from elite. They have an elite pass rush.

Maybe if we had the Patriots schedule - We might advance in the playoffs -

No one is more critical of the Giants, than I am.

It is such a hard road to the Super Bowl.

Again, thanks.

Giants fans are less homerish than Chiefs fans. LMAO

However, not here.

I have a ton of respect for the opinions at ChiefsPlanet.

I can't begin to tell you how much I enjoy being a part of all the game threads on Sunday and Monday nights.

Sorry, but have you been reading some of the dipshit opinions on here?

The Chiefs going 12-4?

Sweeping the Raiders and Broncos?

BEATING THE SAINTS?

This place has a fever, and the only prescription is more 3 and outs.

Umm, who here said anything about the Chiefs going to the SB?

Who predicted 12-4? One person?

Who said 12-4?

I'm surprised nobody commented on this. Anyone doubting Eli Manning should take note of the bolded accolades. That's crazy impressive. Eli flat gets it done, and he's got lots of records achieved in the most difficult playing environments possible. Anyone saying Eli is overrated is just stupid....

11-5, 12-4, it's all the same homer bullshit.

So, 10-6 is homer BS?

A couple of the moron "experts" on ESPN the other night tried saying that Romo was the best player in the division. Better than Manning. Will the Cowboy ballwashing ever stop? Now that is some good ole bullshit.

I wish the best for the Chiefs, you know that - it's possible. Why not?

I wish the Giants had your offensive line - The Giants had the worst offensive line in the league.

The Chiefs have a very good defense. Love Hali, Johnson (off the top of my head) - Love the secondary.

I believe Charles & Hillis have the potential to best RB duo in the league. Hopefully, Charles comes back healthy.

Question: Would you have picked the Giants to go all the way last season?

It's borderline.

Tard

If you say we're going 10-6, you're basically saying we're going 7-3 outside the division (homer BS) or we're sweeping someone in the division (homer BS).

Either way it's homer BS. Look at the schedule.

If we were playing the NFC West, I could see it. We're not.

Tard.

If that's all you have as a response, you're not making the homers look any smarter.

What difference does it make?

I'll post something to refute your negativity.

You'll post something negative about beating 5 shitty QBs or playing the NFC West.

You're entire argument is based on the past.

Yes, established facts tend to come from the past.

If you can find evidence from the future that Cassel is capable of beating playoff contenders consistently, I'll admit that's a solid point.

I agree.

The injury riddled Chiefs won 7 games.

Thats why I think a healthy squad can win 10.

I'm using facts from the past.

Amani Toomer had this to say about Eli Manning this week on Sirius - Former NY Giant Amani Toomer: Tony Romo, not Eli Manning, is 'best quarterback in the NFC East'

Cowboys fans called into the radio station and told Amami - he was nuts. Jerry Jones is on record - He said the difference between the Cowboys and Giants is Eli.

Short Snippet from Sirius:
http://siriusxmsports.posterous.com/...talks-with-tim


The NY media went nuts on Amani - Chances are if your not a Giants fans - you're not aware that Amani was Kerry Collins No. 1 go to WR vs the third target with Eli. Amani felt he was good enough in the Fassel era and it rubbed him the wrong way when Coughlin took over and all of a sudden, he wasn't the go to receiver any longer.

Amani also voiced his opinion in the press that he was more reluctant to go through the growing pains of playing with a young quarterback. Therefore, Ernie Accorsi brought in Plax and he became Eli's No. 1 receiver.

Then you factor in the terms on which Amani was cut and the comments he made that he felt there was an agenda to get rid of him for younger players.

Amani the ungrateful has his only Super Bowl ring thanks in large part to Eli Manning.

What is funny to Giants' fans, Amani didn't even make it past the first round of cuts with the Chiefs and then he was out of the league for good.

Giants PR czar Pat Hanlon asked, “QB or golfer?”

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/fo...icle-1.1108713

So, now he joins the ranks of Tiki Barber.

Love this comment:

gotta run - Daytona is gonna go green!

You continue to use shallow reasoning that ignores the differences in strength of schedule.