God forbid your expectations were not met Sunday, that proves it all right there.

Pioli isn't going anywhere, why waste your time tied up hating him and everything Chiefs. You think Clark is selling the team in your life time?

It's sad when you think the Chiefs can compete with a good team and then they lose by 23.

That's really ****ing sad.

I'm expecting to beat the Bills now....and worried I've got my hopes up way too high.

you are going to be really upset after Sunday lol

:facepalm:

I used that smilie because we do not have douche nozzle smilie.

Well, that's the great thing about having your enthusiasm for the team completely sapped.

You don't get that upset.

It sure does increase your bloodlust for mass executions at Arrowhead, though.

Metaphorically speaking.

The real disappointment sets in when he realizes Pioli will be back next year.

And if the Chiefs win next week, everything will be just peachy.

We fans are very reactionary.

Not for me. Sounds like more of the same. And the people who can't realize that, should.


I put my faith in Pioli last offseason to make the changes necessary to win. He failed.

Clark, your turn.

As a Chiefs fan how is this a good thing?

If flowers is out Buffalo shouldn't be a win, not sure how Reeves will be able to hold Stevie Johnson. Plus last year Stevie Johnson sent Eric Berry's leg into the 12th row.

Save the trip to Buffalo Mr. Pioli

It's almost like you want Pioli to be back

Really funny how the temperature of this place has changed from "How good is this team?" to "Just how bad are we?" in just a week. LMAO

Just wait till the Bills win.

We need buffalo to win, Saints/Ravens/Buccs are bound to be losses, SD will be a toss up

Even if Flowers plays, he's not going to be anywhere near 100%. Not sure how effective he'll be.

We weren't getting Routt if we still had Carr.
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why not?

that's the problem with Pioli, he signs shit for depth.

Clay V.2 = Douche Nozzle.

Marcellus, we need to endure some pain before joy can come in the morning

Nope, you need to go to the frame before that. Also, when you are talking about the first "3," you are talking about "down" linemen. You aren't exactly at :43. Even Hali plays down in some formations. Something I thought of on the way home was that we got torched in those two down linemen formations. Most of Atlanta's TDs were against that formation....

Edit: Actually, it's at the :42 mark.

It's the same play, just a couple of seconds later so you can see the jersey number of 99.

We signed Routt 2 months before Carr became a free agent.

Ok, There are three "down" linemen. When Tamba Hali or James Harrison or anyone else put their hand on the ground, they are then a "down" linemen. They are no longer a linebacker on the play. They are a defensive end by definition when they start with their hand in the dirt.

In the 4-3, the "4" means four down linemen. See what I mean?

In the 3-3-5, the first "3" means three down linemen.

The second number is always the number of linebackers and the third number is always the number of defensive backs.

they're just resting flowers for preseason, he'll be fine...

I don't agree that a linebacker putting his hand on the ground changes him to a lineman.

Still a linebacker
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how can people fail to comprehend this?

Routt was not signing with us to be a nickleback
Carr was not coming back to be a nickleback

and that's even if you insist on ignoring Carr when he said he had always dreamed of being a Cowboy.

people need to just get over it and move on

we were all hoping



dam foot injuries are death

Yeah, it's common knowledge that the real pros don't really need the reps until week 4, 5 max. Saving him for post season IMO.Stooges

That's cool man. If you want re-define the definition of football formations go right ahead. :thumb:

Why would a linebacker want to put his hand in the dirt? Think about it.

Takes two to tango. I don't think routt comes here to be the #3. The fail here was not signing the 5 yr 20 ish deal he was looking for pre 2011 that he himself said he was looking for on the radio last yr. Carr didn't have the stud stigma but pioli is paid to see it and we lost a good corner that we could have had for great value.

In the end I can live with flowers routt as long as we have depth and lock up bowe. Neither of those things have happened yet so for that reason losing Carr bothers me.

Good post and I mostly agree. Carr was my favorite player and I hated to see him go. He should been re-signed instead of getting tendered. Failing to resign him and missing on Andy Dalton are Pioli's biggest mistakes in my opinion.

However, i think Routt might have signed despite Carr. Routt has been a nickel corner for most of his career and that is his best position. I think he's most comfortable there. He's gotten better on the outside and has turned into a pretty good number 2. It would have been nice to have all three...

Link me to that definition
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DT used to play with his hand in the dirt all the time

Not sure if serious. But its a leverage thing. Also a backer can drop easily, while a de will take longer due to the stance..

whatever.
anyway, by Pioli not getting a deal done with Carr left the Chiefs with a downgrade at CB.
i guess i just thought the Pioli signing 4 years ago meant he would build a winner in KC, i was wrong.

Stanford Routt signed with KC almost 2 months before Carr became a FA. Maybe KC assured him they wouldn't re-sign Carr, but the fact is he joined the team as a 3rd CB.

Routt's contract is also very team friendly if he's released after the first year.

The team could have inked Bowe, then tagged Carr and had a 1 year, 3 way competition for two CB spots.

It would have been an expensive secondary for that year, but also a very deep one. In fact, Routt probably could have filled the FS spot too if necessary.

Not saying its what they SHOULD have done. Just saying that its hardly beyond reason to see both Carr and Routt on this team in 2012.

You can't even spell Jamaal in Jamaal Charles right. Stop.

Why do you think you can just run around and tell people what to do?
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At that point, I'm sure it was decided that Carr was asking for too much. And I'm sure Routt wasn't on board to come to a team where he might have to play as the nickel back.

He's a confused football fan. Doesn't even know what team he roots for.

Because we're best buds?

How? Carr wasn't great in week 1. He gave up 80+ yards and was burnt by Dominick Hixon twice.

As long as you're "sure"....

Why the **** would he go to a team to be a nickel back? He's an established starter in the league already.

maybe so but he's not as good as Carr.
just thought Pioli should take care of KC drafted players, especially with the upside Carr has.

i guess he'd rather use Clarks money on Backup QB's that arent worth a ****.

Coming off a year where his performance would have gotten him benched/booted from most places...

You mean like Flowers, Hali, Derrick Johnson, and Charles?

Meh, he was ranked right by Carr by most standards apart from penalties last year.

Dude, we signed 4 and let 1 go. That's a pretty good ratio

Hali puts his hand in the dirt all of the time but that doesn't mean the Chiefs play a 4-3. However, go ahead and call it that if you want to. :rolleyes:

i cant wait until we sign Wes Welker a month before we let Bowe walk in FA this upcoming offseason

I guess if a DB is going to blitz and puts his hand down he would be a lineman.
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Ignoring Baldwin, shortest WR corps evar!

Good point.

First, I'm not trying to be a smartass and I am trying to help you guys understand.

It's common knowledge and it's everywhere that gives a decent explanation. I just googled "understanding NFL football 4-3 and 3-4." It's almost always in the first sentence. Here's some...

http://voices.yahoo.com/understandin...16.html?cat=14

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/3%E2%80%934_defense

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/4%E2%80%933_defense

http://football.calsci.com/DefensiveLine3.html

http://football.about.com/cs/a/43defense.htm

http://football.about.com/cs/a/34defense.htm

Also, yes, if a safety puts his hand on the ground at the line, he is at that point a "down linemen" for the purpose of defining the formation.

The first number is the formation is always "down linemen."

That's exactly right. It's a leverage thing and he is going forward. When he puts his hand on the ground, he's no longer a LBer. He's a DE.

By definition it's a 4-3 when he does that.

Also, what made Hali a LBer in the first place? He was a DE in the 4-3 right? When we switched to the 3-4, Hali stood up. That made him a LBer right? Why do you think it's different for the opposite?

I'm not sure why you guys are so confused...?

No...

Not quite.

Carr signed with Dallas 23 days after the Chiefs signed Routt.

When you get on the line with your hand on the dirt you are a lineman. Hali was a DE in the 4-3 defense, which is a defensive lineman. He can still be used as a DE even with that shiny new "LB' label next to his name on the roster. Hes still essentially just a DE that stands up now.

Thank you :thumb:

Carr was already gone when the Chiefs signed Routt. Nick Wright reported he had already talked to another team which I can't believe wasn't investigated. Sure Wright could of been wrong but he's personal friends with Carr. He's stayed the night at his place according to Twitter.

Wright talked to Carr the day KC signed Routt and Carr told him that's when he knew that the writing was on the wall. According to Wright of course.

if it's four down to 3 point, it's four down. The reason is you can get leverage against blockers coming from a lower stance than they are.


Watch Poe do it when he plays RDE. Pretty impressive for such a young player. I didn't like the pick because he had no usable techniques coming to the NFL, but after watching him during exhibition he has that rare explosion very few big men have.

Now I see what Romeo sees with this guy. He's got great balance too. He knows leverage fairly well from what I can tell so far. Once he gets some hand technique, he is going to be very difficult to handle even for double teams.

I thought it may take Poe 3 or 4 seasons to develop. I'm moving that up now -- he should be the best lineman this team has by season's end. He's learning by leaps and bounds right now, it'll take longer for the finer skills such as hand fighting and play recognition, but I would not be surprised to see this kid make the PB next season.

Flowers limited again today?

Flowers, Brown, Lewis, and Toribio were all limited today according to Romeo's presser they played on 610 this afternoon. Tomorrow is a walk through, Saturday a travel. Doesn't bode well for them.

Careful, you might get this thread back on topic!

Injuries, injuries, injuries. ****.

Limited can mean a lot of things.

Lots of players are limited all week and then they play on Sunday.

Hopefully, we at least get Flowers back.

I think we can manage without the other three.

Flowers has been "limited" for over a month.

Limited as in he hasn't practiced in 6 weeks and still isn't able to fully participate.

No.

He has only been limited for about 2 weeks.

Prior to that, he didn't participate at all and was in a boot.

He isn't going to play.

poor BossChief

holding out that last string of hope of no Jacques Reeves when it is very clear there will be plenty of Jacques Reeves beatdowns by the Bills this Sunday. Which makes for sickening television if you are a Chiefs fan.

Gotta have hope.

Even if its false hope.

I sure as **** dont want to imagine Reeves out there again.

I don't know.

I have no hope.

And it feels pretty damn good.

I'm just tired of the Patriot Way silence bullshit. If they would have come out and said what was wrong with Flowers a month ago, fine. The "Patriot Way" has infected so many teams league wide and failed everywhere. Until it's done here in KC, it doesn't matter.

I was patient. Been patient with the FO. Hell with it. If you can't find a replacement for Flowers that's better than Reeves, GTFO and take your way with you.

I was worried that blowing up the FO would set this all way back. But, I'm not too sure. Look at the 9ers. They were awful two years ago. Blew it up, now, they might be the best team in the NFC.

How is it humanly possible that KC hasn't signed any DBs this week?

What difference would it make if they came out and said what was wrong with Flowers from a fans perspective?

remember in TC when none of us could imagine a turd like Reeves making the final 53

and here we are week 2 in the season lol