I see this Palko complaint for Haley over and over. But we've seen what Stanzi is AND he was even rawer and less skilled last year with no off season. Sadly and due to Piolis incompetence Palko was the best option available to Haley.

This post is like a run right at Tyson Jackson.

And he's a silver spoon trust fund brat, he doesn't give a shit. All his pussy self knows is $30M a year is coming his was free and clear, and that keeps his sack very empty!!

I'm just going off of what the article says, Corky. Use a little vagisil for that irritation.

LMAO

The excuses never end

I will never figure why he thought that hiring Crennel was a good idea.

i don't know why you're hung up on last year...

there's nothing about the last 4 games that make them anything but one offs...

People here are ****ing stupid

but I was talking TALENT added by Pioli only in terms of drafting.

Any GM could add a veteran like Orton and our momentum last season was carried by a core group of guys that WERE NOT drafted by Pioli. And I am saying that talent will slowly start to leave the Chiefs (i.e. like Carr) and Pioli in 4 years has done a poor job to replenish their voids with playmakers of equal value.

Who will replace Bowe, Albert, Dorsey? Who replaces Carr? These are answers Pioli has done a poor job of addressing and next offseason will be the biggest test if it blows up in his face

'09 was an evaluation year.
'10 was the "real" year.
'11 was injuries and Haley. **** them both.
'12...oh...shit.

If they look like keystone cops at the NFL level with the cameras rolling, that is what they are. Many fans on this board ripped Mike Vrabel's old crusty ass, but he lined this ****ing stupendous train wreck up just about every ****ing play of every ****ing game he was with them and they looked far better than this piece of **** DJ is lining up.

Romeo is going to change out personnel. He already started to do it today. That is not because of "coaching leadership" it is because the ****ing leaders on the field are ****ing failures and they need to siddown.

I agree. That needs to stop.

Blaming Haley for Palko is like blaming a dog for sniffing its own ass.

Actually ... come to think of it ... they're identical.

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Wow. There are a lot of tidbits in the article.

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he's lazy, he's afraid to go outside the tree for fear of being exposed, and his reputation for little-dick syndrome is such that no one with ambition wants to work for him....mix and match as you will

Not laziness. Nepotism driven and fed by arrogance.

Pioli was a very late hire?

On January 13th?

You are damn right.

I was thinking the same thing today. Vrabel got a raw deal getting traded to KC and he busted his ass. The dude never quit and was a pro. It's their job to play hard.

Also, the problem with Palko was that Haley obviously thought he was good enough to be the back up QB. He chose to go with Palko in that role rather than having Pioli get someone. It's part of what got him fired imo. He was a Pitt guy and Haley ate that shit up.

Yeah, that was also why he threw away an entire draft. He didn't have time to prepare, he was busy getting drapes in his office to match his eyes. Priorities.

Damn, how do those teams that hire guys from Super Bowl teams do it?

Those guys must be very, very, very, very, VERY late hires.

We have 2 terrific RBs. A solid receiver corps including a superstar as our #1. We have two solid receiving tight ends. And to boot, we saw behind Kyle Orton that behind a real QB, the offensive line is actually very good at protection -- they gave up ONE measly sack last year in Orton's 4 games.

Our offensive talent isn't all-world. But are you seriously going to tell me that John Harbaugh and Alex Smith couldn't turn this offense into an efficient one? Or an average coach and Aaron Rodgers couldn't?

As for our defense, we saw how good they were. But those were the days when our defense wanted to hit people in the mouth. Now they look too finessed. And the moronic decision not to hire a DC is killing us. Don't know if you saw Merrill Hoge's analysis on ESPN where he was showing how our players were constantly getting picked off in 1-on-1. DJ looks unfocused. Hali looks out of shape. And we went from starting a veteran nose tackle to a rookie who we know is going to take 3 years to develop.

If you replace Romeo with Harbaugh, put Romeo back into a DC role, and changed Cassel to at least a top 10 QB... are you really going to tell me this team isn't a serious contender?

The fact that ANYONE can defend this shit team right now is the reason why it is how it is today.

True fans can go **** themselves.

Let's not overstate things, Whitlock wasn't ripping Pioli for his assembly of talent or coaches. He was ripping Pioli for the way he treated the media and Haley. Those things MAY prove to be related, but that's not definitively established at present. Whitlock could have been JUST AS RIGHT about Pioli with us coming off our 2nd SB win by now and no one would care.

That is absolute bullshit.

Pioli called all the shots. Why would ANYONE think Haley had the power to tell Pioli not to add a 4th QB?

As I've said a million times, it would be one thing if Pioli brought in 4 QBs in a competition and Haley picked Palko in the top 3. That didn't happen. And it's more than fair to ask if there is truth to Gretz's accusation that Pioli was purposely holding back talent so Haley would underperform.

LMAOLMAOLMAOLMAO I think I can see where you're coming from!

I can't wait till Pioli is fired...this team is way too talented to play this poorly.

Seriously, look at the RAVENS for a front office guy

The problem is we keep getting sold marketing propaganda, remember when Clark first took over it was we were going to be like the Steelers. Then it was the Patriots. How about you put a team together and go out and make your own mark?

Dear God... its like rooting for the Cubs, its never going to pay off.

I'm not sure you can sell the idea that Haley could "tell" Pioli to do anything ... including, but not limited to, acquiring a different backup quarterback.

I'm wondering, though, Mr. BlackBob ... It seems as though you are posting on here quite a bit. Apparently, you have a great deal of time on your hands. Are you currently involved in a relationship with a significant other? Are you married? Do you have a girl- or boy-friend that is particularly special?

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We?

JFC, Pete.

My problem with that is that Pioli acquires the players. He doesn't coach them. If we have a highly talented team that is playing poorly, that's a pretty clear indication that Pioli is doing his job and the coaches aren't. (Obviously, Pioli hires the coaches, so that's eligible for complaint.)

I heart Fax. Welcome back. CIA mission?

You ought to know by now this is Pioli's show top to bottom, left to right, candy wrapper to candy wrapper.

Akili Smith was talented. He didn't pan out. You have to have talent just to get to this league.

People are going overboard with this "talented team" bullshit.

It may appear talented on paper, but looks far from it on the field, and that's where it matters.

There's the additional problem of acquiring players that are ill-suited for the type of scheme we run, Mr. Rain Man.

Dorsey, for example, would likely be a household name by now had he been drafted by a team that would allow him to penetrate.

Personally, I think there is sufficient justification for tying Dr. Evil to a tree and drenching him with cat urine.

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The Chiefs put more effort into getting a bloggers article pulled than they did searching for a qb. That's ****ing pathetic.

The Chiefs are 27-55 in the regular season since 2007. I'm going to guess that's bottom three of the NFL during that time span.

It's Carl Peterson part deux. Carl never had the balls to hire someone he didn't have a past association with, just the same as Scott. It's lazy and half assed, especially consdiering the results.

I shake my head watching the Niners tonight. Two years ago, they were the bottom dwellers of the NFL. Now, they get talked up as being one of the best, if not THE best, teams in the league.

All due to their new shiny coach.

It's alot more than that. It's Bowman, Aldon Smith, and Justin Smith too. They built a good o-line and got lucky with their QB. They were built well. It's more that than anything imo.

must we even speak of the management .. it's a old story .. like 30 years old .....

It's good coaching and a solid team. I'm a fan of them because they're using kind of an old school model instead of just pass pass pass, which is boring.

It's an endless cycle. There was a time where everyone would've killed for Pioli. What will happen is he gets fired, everyone wants DeCosta... we hire him, he brings in all his Ravens buddies, the cycle repeats.

First - I agree they've drafted well at critical positions. That has been key to the resurgence.

Second - Got lucky with their QB? Not really. They got smart and brought in the right coach for their QB. Frisco was ready to pull the eject handle on Alex Smith, but he agreed to a pay cut. It's worked out well for them.

unlike the Chiefs, they draft players that help them now and in the future. THey draft players that have an impact in the game. We havent drafted anyone that stands out.

Alex Smith was not some hack. He was the #1 pick in the draft. He also led his college team to a BCS bowl and dominated. If I'm not mistaken the first non-BCS team to win a BCS bowl. And that was back when there was only 4 games, not 5 like now.

Between Carl and Scott, we've had 20+ years of GM's who are unwilling to hire outside their respective "trees". Whomever comes in here after Pioli, whenever that is, needs to find the right players and coaches for what he wants to do, no matter where or from whom they hail from. That's all I ask out of my GM. Get the RIGHT PEOPLE.

Before last season, everyone had all but labeled him a bust. Harbaugh got this kid his confidence back.

In the interest of fairness, Smith had a Jason Campbell-ian start to his career, with five offenses in five years, or some such? Either way, he's seemed to have figured it out.

Watching the 49ers, you come to the realization that unless the Cheaps paid 4x the going rate, they're never going to get a coach like Harbaugh as long as Pioli is in the picture. They would shun us immediately just like Peyton Manning did. Why put up with Pioli's insecure little dictator-like personality when you have other options? So what does he do next, assuming the Chiefs finish 2-14 or worse, the players quit, and Crennel gets shit-canned after only one season? He does the only thing the bald headed prick knows how to do. He hires the guy he wanted in the first place, so say hello to Josh McDaniels, your next head coach of the Kansas City Chefs.

Oooooh ...

Bad, Mr. JohnnyHammersticks. Bad.

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God damn you are an idiot. You think Haley picked the players? With Mr. Micromanage around? Maybe Pioli said hey I can get Palko really cheap, you ok with him?

Its truly eye opening to see how much bile Pioli has created within the media he so strongly tries to manage... to parrot what many others are saying... 'holy crap, Jwhit was right, SP can be a very petty man'.

like i said im still 100 percent convinced that Todd Started Palko because he wanted to be fired, He knew his tenure with the Chiefs was over and he wanted out fast as possible.

I already seen all i need to know about the QB when we had an average qb in Orton, everything on offense was drastically different. No sacks, Line looked good. BARRY Freaking Richardson even looked decent.

Who else was he going to start? Stanzi? As much as I'd love to believe he was a savior, I think he has been totally exposed.

It's pretty amazing.

I admit it ... I was absolutely thrilled when Clark hired Pioli. Thrilled. Then, when Whittles went all Egoli on him, I thought Whittles was just angry that Pioli could eat more breadsticks than him in a single sitting.

As it's turned out, Pioli really is insane and Whittles was right all along. It's amazing how a person (like myself) can convince themselves of a fact that isn't really a fact, after all. Rather, it is simply perception and lacks a basis in reality.

I have to wonder if I've done the same thing with my neighbor's cat. I came to believe that, besides being obnoxious and smelly, that cat was inherently evil. In retrospect, perhaps covering the cat with roofing tar and affixing it upside down to their front door wasn't such a great idea.

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Well, yes, why not? he's the guy they drafted to potentially be there for years. Why not? Palko was the worst QB i have EVER seen start a game and i have been watching the NFL for a long long time. I never seen someone with such poor accuracy. lol

Even at the end of one of the games, they asked Haley why didnt you play Stanzi and Haley replied back with, i dont know.

FAX is a.genius. always makes me.smile.

What's amazing were the people that were so angry with me (and a few others) that truly disliked the hire of not only Pioli, but Haley as well.

Crazy how it's all come back around.

Tarring and sticking a pussy is almost always a good idea. However in true confession time I have to admit to all the same Pioli issues. Loved the hire. Visions of sugar plum Super Bowls were dancing in my head. Was stubborn about it too. Wasn't till the article on Arrowheadauchwitz that my opinion really turned. That and realizing he had been undermining his HC that had just got us to the playoffs.

Been there and done that with Herman, now reliving it with Crennel. Amazing how history repeats.itself.

He was told by Pioli Stanzi couldn't play year one. Period.

Ah, no.

The entire forum wasn't on your ass. People didn't make up Photoshopped pictures of "The Four Horseman" and all that nonsense.

You're just a guy that hates black NFL head coaches.

Big difference.

:D

ROFL....


hater.

It's the coaching putting those pieces into great positions.

If Harbaugh didn't go there, you likely don't see anywhere close to this result.

I'll admit to loving the Pioli hire, and even more so the Haley hire. That was before I understood how the Patriots/Parcells connections worked, and how utterly chickenshit of a hire it was.

This will, no doubt, bring out the haters en masse ... but, I still like Haley.

I have a lot of reasons, but I generally liked his attitude toward the game. I'm not so sure about the paranoia and the need to make his personal calls from a burn phone, but I think he will have a long and successful career in the NFL.

Frankly, it is my view that Haley was probably the best decision Pioli has made to date. Things would likely have turned out much better for everyone if Pioli had been more supportive and helpful ... as opposed to deceitful ... and under-cutting his own freaking coach.

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Completely agree. I think Pioli drove him to near madness.

Kent Babb finally writes a decent article for the Star. Shit has got to be bad, or maybe he just does not give a crap since his new team is on the upswing.

Got lucky with the #1 overall pick?

One thing is for certain - Pioli and Haley just were not meant to work of th esame team.

The gambler and the Mr. I'll walk 5 blocks out of my way so I don't even have to walk through a casino were oil and water.

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Nope. We got that figured out. Those two crazy bastards probably couldn't ride in the same car without causing multiple fatalities.

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I picture Haley pulling sand out of nowhere, throwing it in fat Scott's eyes and going for the elbows....while driving.

Sorry but I liked Todd.

Jack Harry is about to start ripping on the Chiefs, and I think this ones gonna be good.

Before even starting, he's compared the current team to the Franz Gansz era.

Damn, best line: "This team is a bunch of pansies"

Yep

Different coach, same result. I am more convinced than ever that its the players and has always been the players. This team certainly has more talent than the team that Pioli inherited, but we are always dealing with those things that Pioli just will never address. First and foremost, this team lives down to its capabilities of its QB. Next we have a defense where in our base defense against the pass we have 4 guys who are going to have no impact. We are essentially only playing defense with 7 guys. Third, we are so far under the cap and yet we have holes with depth and positions where we have people on the field that really shouldn't be in the NFL. Last year it was RT and depth at safety. This year we brought in a good RT and a bunch of cheap safeties in FA. We didn't look forward to where we might be crumbling.

I think Pioli can be a good GM, but he's got to change some things. He needs an owner that is going to demand that he get out of his Patriot way comfort zone. He needs an owner that is going to read him the riot act when he says that drafting a first round QB is just too risky. He needs an owner that is going to tell him to spend the money.

This whole thread should be titled "Scott Pioli is not going to win with this organization if Clark Hunt is the owner."

Todd Haley was worthless. Not only could he not manage coaches corretly, he couldn't manage players, either. He was a hothead that could not control his emotions and just like Pioli, Peter-Principled into the position of head coach.

Good ****ing riddance.

Haley should have never took the job when the QB was forced on him. I like Haley, but Pioli ****ed up and so did Haley. Should have hired the coach first, then see who the coach likes as a qb, then went from there.

At least he was entertaining in a Jersey Shore type of way. Now it's like watching a old soft guy pat players on the head and tell them "it's OK" after colossal failure like it's his grandchildren and not 20 something millionaires.

Their certainly not doing any better.

Sunday full page ad: $73,458

Broadsheet = 126 column inches @ $583 per column inch ROP

http://media.kansascity.com/static/a...ional_2011.pdf

So the only person in KC who can afford to run an ad calling for Pioli's firing is Pioli?

That just isn't right.

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