I miss Carr.

Brandon Carr had 4 games in the red total his last two seasons here.

Routt has two in six games.

I called you an idiot for piling on over the 2 big plays. I'll call PFF idiots for piling on over those plays. They were great/lucky catches made in good coverage and weren't Routt's fault.

If you want to debate past games or other plays that's another matter. The two big plays in question were not his fault. He did his job and got unlucky.

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Dumbass piling on in this thread, if it isn't about the inept GM/Coaching Staff/QB we shouldn't be discussing it. Routt is Fine.

Likely PFF only graded negatively on one of those plays.

Their grades cover every snap, including plays where Routt gets beaten badly but doesn't allow a completion, which happened at least once yesterday.

It's a legit grade. He sucked ass.

When you only have Justin Houston rush the passer 9 times all game...the corners are gonna have a long day.

You cant let quarterbacks sit back and get comfortable back there.

Suck for Smith.

He sucked last year, he sucks this year.

He sucks.

My editorializing regarding Routt in this thread has been constrained to those 2 plays and began after the first unfortunate TD in which Routt had tight coverage and some moron bumped the thread.

Go watch highlights of Dallas and Chicago. Carr got burned and owned all day. At least Routt was right there...Carr was 5 yards off Marshall on most receptions.

I know you are in full blown fire Pioli mode, but sheesh.

It looked like we were in man coverage most of the day. It seems like we usually play more zone. Flowers and Routt have never been very good in man coverage. They are zone guys.

I don't care.

He would be good here.

He worked here, in this system, with Flowers.

Except you were indignant earlier in this very thread that he never got burnt.

Not as a Chief, not like that, his last two seasons here.

That's what I said.

Carr got burned yesterday too

Some direct quotes from Dallas fans on Brandon Carr:

"He's been abused these past 2 games."

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"He is about what I thought he was. He is a very good corner. Nothing more.

I never bought into the "shutdown corner" balony that some folks here on CZ tried to feed the rest of us.

There is nothing wrong with a "very good corner".

The problem is we overpaid for him and that contract will hurt the Cowboys in all sorts of ways going forward."

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"He talks tough to the media. Other than that, he is just a solid corner that is overpayed. Afterall, he was the Chiefs second best CB."

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Truth.

One of the worst contracts in the entire league.

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couldn't agree more. (concerning him getting burned up the last two games)

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Brandon Carr says he's through with interviews for a few weeks. Wants to focus and get things right, make the game fun again.

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Disappointment. He's a good CB, but that's a disappointment. He's being paid to be elite. He's not played up to that level.

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I think the expectations of him being a shutdown corner (if there is such a thing) were too high. Look at who was playing opposite him last year. If he was that good, they would have kept him.

If Claiborne eventually develops into a top tier corner, then Carr will be fine.

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Right. Carr is a complimentary corner to the #1 guy.

Pretty much what Kansas City knew and we didn't when we signed him to that monstrosity of a contract.

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Carr's may be an upgrade over what we had but he certainly isn't anything special. We had one poster here claiming he was the 3rd best corner in the league when he wasn't even the best corner on his team in KC.

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Now we see why the chiefs didn't put up a fight to keep him. Very avg corner.

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He's average. Tons of people were over rating him it was kind of ridiculous. I still think he is a pretty solid guy, definitely not worth the $$$ though.

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heres a link to the thread...

http://cowboyszone.com/forums/dallas...=245225&page=4

It's sad that it's not working out for Carr in Dallas.

He was good here, and would be good if he was still here.

good thing that PFF grades on more than just 2 "big" plays then isnt it. And he's still terrible. And you are still wrong.

You guys know a lot more than me, so this may be a dumb question, but was Carr a leader on defense at all? Is it possible that we lost some leadership when he signed with Dallas that is directly affecting the team right now, since Routt is new to the system and all?

There's a lot of excuses that can be thrown out, but the defense has underperformed at times and it's almost baffling. I know the lack of coaching and the whole bend but don't break scheme is brought up a lot, but still.

Nope, do you honestly think Routt is the main reason we're losing and our offense has nearly been outscored by the opposing teams punter the last two games?

I never said that. He's not the main reason for anything other than he stinks and gets beat like a drum more than not.

Sadly there is much worse on this team. Like that crappy ass FS behind him.

I think SR is about the least of our worries.

We lack good players on the defensive line, and we lack good players in the secondary.

Throw in MedioCrennel, and it's no mystery.

What PFF does is not even relevant to my contributions to this thread. I've never even shared what I think of him overall. I kinda want to see him play more than 6 games. I'm not wrong at all about the 2 plays I've discussed in this thread. Every CB in the league or to have ever played has been "victimized" similarly. It's not anything he should hang his head about.

I agree he shouldn't hang his head about either of those plays. He just got beat by a better player. It happens.

I am gonna keep my mouth shut on this topic because anything I say will be butthurt for losing him to the Chiefs.

I agree with this. Where we disagree is I think he is overall just not a good CB. I think you are waiting for a bigger sample size and willing to defend him a little more as not fully wanting to call him bad. I am assuming when he his awful for an entire 16 game sample season you will finally warm up to the idea that he stinks in the overall scope of things.

I do agree he is more talent than most of the starters on this team though, which is sad.

I look at the whole picture. He was brought in at 5-6 million per and he should play like being paid that. Pioli brought him in to either upgrade or keep the position the same post Carr. And it's essentially a massive downgrade, not even a lateral move in terms of talent. While still forking over 20 million. How about using 20 million for once and bringing in an actual FA talent. That would be wonderful. In 4 years that has yet to happen.

I don't even disagree that he's not good. I haven't made up my mind yet. It's hard to focus on this guy when the whole team is so bad. I was simply defending him on those two plays because somebody bumped this thread right after the first TD and then the negativity continued after he batted a ball in perfect coverage which ended up as a long catch as well. He's not really on my radar aside from those 2 plays so far.

i didnt bump the thread either. i just quoted that one guy laughing at the irony and then as the game went on the bad luck for Routt piled one. I essentially knew that PFF would grade him negatively to the point where he would be a lower tier CB in the league using their analytics.

And since people love to jerk off that website for once it works in my favor. Because people praise PFF when it hyped up Tamba and DJ last season and they praise it when it makes Justin Houston the best OLB in the league.

But I just hate how they ignore it because how dare PFF actually grade out a guy on the Chiefs for being shitty. How dare they.

I think part of the reason Routt is being graded poorly is because our safety play is an abomination. And has been for 4 years. Pioli has done an awful job of upgrading from Page and Pollard. Kendrick Lewis is essentially Jarrad Page with dreadlocks and a bum shoulder. And thats unacceptable

I don't pay much attention to stats and other analysts. I like to make up my own mind what I think of players.

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Carr got burnt plenty here too
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How bad is Stanford Routt?

Only 4 CBs have allowed more yards.

Only 1 CB allows more yards per reception.

No one has allowed more yards after catch.

QBs have a 111.9 rating throwing at him.

As I said, I was surprised someone took him

He's struggled the last couple weeks. No question.
He's been inconsistent at best.

We need to do like the old Match Game show

I'll start it off...


Standford Routt is so bad.....he makes Matt Cassel look like Joe Montana

Can't wait to see what Peyton Manning and Demaryius Thomas do to this clown.

But give us the facts Man prove your point already...

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So your saying he fits in nicely with the rest of the team.

routt was cheap, that's why he was signed...

Wilcots says he and Cassel are awesome

And through 7 games, now how does he look? Raiduhs

I agree but he was solid early on and overall has not been terrible like some Chiefs fans want you to believe. I'd be fine going into next year with him starting again as our #2 CB.

he will end up grading out as one of the worst CBs in the league this season.

dont make excuses for him either, because Flowers is still playing well on the other side despite being on such a horrible team.

some guys are just turds. Stanford DishRoutt is one of them

Still has games against Philip Rivers, Peyton Manning, Andy Dalton, Peyton Manning and Ben Roethlisberger.

Hows Carr doing Clay?

Better than Routt, you shitbird.

In fact he just had another game in the green.

DON'T WANT TO HEAR ANY BS.

Is there anyone doing good in coverage?

Seems like the only time this team stops someone its because of dropped passes/horribly thrown passes.

Romeo's 10 yard cushion approach to defending the pass is ****ing stupid.

I have no complaints with Flowers...

i am pretty sure Flowers is doing okay despite playing with three terrible safeties, a terrible CB on the other side and a turd stain of a slot nickel CB

I almost picked up Floyd in fantasy because I knew that Routt would be on him a good deal of the time.

I voted yes. I'll bet he's not just happy, but elated. He's made 11 million cash over the past year and a half and gets to spend the rest of this season chillin out.

fixed

Swing and a miss.
The fact that I adopted him this season adds insult to injury.
Sheesh.