His career stat line is almost identical to Brodie Croyle's.

Everything we know about him, including what he did in preseason, says he sucks worse than Cassel.

He hit a pass on Sunday that Cassel has hit numerous times. That was the only good play he made.

He really has done nothing in the NFL. He's this year's Tyler Palko. People only say good things about him because he's not Cassel.

Do I control who these ****s put on the field? No.

Doubt it. Division games are almost always close. We split all our div games last year, split all but Oakland in 2010, and split with everyone except SD in 2009.

Well you should, MUron...

Works for me. There's no way I could do worse job than the last two.

/thread

Eh.

If Quinn comes in and he also sucks, it's a team in disarray and lacking the personnel to succeed. Reflects poorly on the GM.

If Cassel is left out on the field to founder, reflects poorly on the GM.

If Quinn comes in and succeeds, the question is why the hell couldn't they see this and why do they insist on playing their inferior hand picked player? Reflects poorly on the GM.

That way I could hate you even more than I do now...

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well not really... For a MUron, you alright...

Not under this regime.

We've been blown out in six division games since 2009.

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It's funny how everyone wants DeCosta now (and he ain't leaving that job in BMore, BTW). He's the new Pioli. Ozzie Newsome ain't walking through that door with him. DeCosta may end up being a good GM, but that's what people thought about Pioli. Let's not forget about George Kokinis, Ozzie's other prime pupil in pro-personnel.

Hell, he may turn out to be good, but after this whole Pioli thing, whoever replaces him will have to prove it to me first. Clark would need to think outside the box rather than trying to replicate the Pats or Ravens by bringing in one of their longtime execs. I'd almost rather have a fresh face in the front office than someone who has been sitting in another organization for so long, IE what the Colts did with Grigson...

Briging in FA Olineman and WR's....those two things are hampering the maturation of Cassel. LMAO

This just in: Scott Pioli didn't make the decisions in New England. He didn't pick the players they drafted. He signed the guys Belichick wanted. Trying to analyze their personnel decisions as a reflection on Pioli was, and is, a useless endeavour.

And you know who else is in that exact same spot? Doesn't make the decisions, works for a team where you know exactly who gets credit for the success? Eric DeCosta.

You're either on board with that profile or you aren't.

I literally just posted that in the past 3 years, we have split with every team in the division with the exception of Oakland and SD, once in 2009 and once in 2010.

We literally split nearly every division game for the past 3 years with a worse team and probably worse QB and you think that we have no chance of winning a division game?

LMAO

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I'm fairly certain a primo "name" guy isn't going to want to step into this shit storm.

Not that we can't get a good GM, I'm just saying it's probably gonna be one of those WTF names when we first hear it.

TIE-BREAKING PROCEDURE FOR SELECTION MEETING

1. Clubs not participating in the playoffs shall select in the first through 20th positions in reverse standings order.
2. The Super Bowl winner is last and Super Bowl loser is next-to-last.
3. The losers of the Conference Championship games shall select 29th and 30th based on won-lost-tied percentage.
4. The losers of the Divisional playoff games shall select 25th through 28th based on won-lost-tied percentage.
5. The losers of the Wild Card games shall select 21st through 24th based on won-lost-tied percentage.

If ties exist in any grouping except (2) above, such ties shall be broken by strength-of-schedule. If any ties cannot be broken by strength-of-schedule, the divisional or conference tie-breakers, if applicable, shall be applied. Any ties that still exist shall be broken by a coin flip.


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So, if the Browns beat the Chiefs and both teams finish 1-15, the number one overall draft choice would be determined by Strength of Schedule. In that case, the Browns would probably choose first because their schedule includes the NFC East.

I'll take the guy that has worked his way up in one of the best organizations in all of football regarding free agency, the draft and the hiring of coaches over the guy that rode the coattails of his father-in-law and his cronies.

Different paths to the top. DeCosta was a scout, then he was Director of College Scouting then Director of Player Personal.

Thanks for the internet GM job offers Ozzie!!!

I don't think that's true but at the same time, pro personnel guys usually don't have a "name".

Dude, Pioli worked his way up from the bottom in the same organization that Ozzie Newsome got his start in. It's the same damn profile. He didn't get hitched to Parcell's daughter until much later. Pioli may suck as a GM but he worked to get where he got to.

The thing with Pioli, DeCosta, all these guys that Hunt needs to ask himself is are they leaders? If yes, then they have a chance. If they are best suited as lieutenants who take orders from others and focus on doing their particular job that they are given well, then they are not suited to be a GM...

I know the tiebreaking procedure Dane. That's why I posted that you were incorrect in your posts that H2H had anything to do with it. Or are you going to try and portray that's not exactly what you were saying?

I posted it, directly from NFL.com, so that everyone could see.

It would have been nice of you to do the same instead of acting like a spoiled ****, but that would have gone against your M.O.

Cause it didn't happen yesterday??

(just a guess)

Alleged bad advice from Bill Parcells may help sink Chiefs' Scott Pioli, Dolphins' Jeff Ireland


This is an interesting time in the legacy of Bill Parcells. He may finally get into the Pro Football Hall of Fame in February.

Before then, he may also have to help his son-in-law and a couple of close friends find jobs.

Kansas City Chiefs general manager Scott Pioli, who is married to Parcells' daughter, is the poster boy for what I like to call the Great Fraud of Parcells. This has nothing to do with football itself even though that would seem to be at the heart of Pioli's problems in Kansas City, where a banner calling for his firing and quarterback Matt Cassel's benching was flown before Sunday's game. The discontent was more apparent later that day as some fans cheered when Cassel got injured.

Fans have a legitimate reason to be bitter with the Chiefs' performance under the four-year leadership of Pioli. Aside from the Chiefs' AFC West title in 2010, Kansas City finished in last place in 2009 and 2011, and is currently in last at 1-4. Not helping matters is the incomprehensibly stupid approach that general managers shouldn't talk to the media – advice from former NFL coach and Miami Dolphins head of football operations Bill Parcells to Pioli and others, according to two sources familiar with the relationships. General managers should exist but not be heard, goes the theory. They should work in the shadows rather than the spotlight.

That advice was so good that people in Miami are still asking whether GM Jeff Ireland, a guy Parcells hired himself when he was running the Dolphins, will survive this season. I know this because I was asked that very question Tuesday morning during a radio interview.

Like Pioli's Chiefs, Ireland's Dolphins have been embroiled in misery. After winning the AFC East in 2008, Miami finished below .500 in each of the next three seasons. Making matters worse were Ireland's dreadful query to Dez Bryant prior to the 2010 NFL draft and the club's botched coaching pursuits in 2011 and earlier this year.

Conversely, Ireland just drafted quarterback Ryan Tannehill, a guy who looks like he's going to be a franchise quarterback for the next 12 to 15 years, and played a part in the hiring of coach Joe Philbin, who is looking pretty solid right now. Still, this may not be enough to alter public perception that he's the wrong man for the job.

The same appears to be true in Kansas City, where there is unheard of vitriol in its fan base. This is, after all, the same fan base that showed so much patience with former GM/President Carl Peterson, a guy who guided the team to three playoff wins in 20 years. On top of that, Peterson never once drafted a quarterback in the first round.

Peterson survived two decades and it was even a mild shock when owner Clark Hunt forced him out after the 2008 season. Yet after only four years, Pioli is persona non grata.

When did Kansas City become Philadelphia?

The answer comes back to Parcells, who for all his greatness as a football man (Parcells deserves to be in the Hall, no question), doesn't really understand one thing: Football is an entertainment business.

This is not some tech company where secrets must be guarded for survival. Yeah, a certain amount of secrecy and subterfuge is necessary in this game, but that doesn't mean that the people in charge can hide. Not if they want to survive the rough times, that is.

In fairness to Pioli, he has tried to change this offseason. He was available more this offseason than at any time in the first three years. Some of that was in reaction to heavy criticism of his methods (the Kansas City Star reported at length about Pioli's tense relationship with former coach Todd Haley and the divisive atmosphere in the organization). But at least Pioli, who is traveling this week to scout college players, has actually made a change.

The problem is that it may be too late and that's where Parcells and his misbegotten logic are to blame. To a man, Parcells' apprentices-turned-GMs around the league are a standoffish, fearful lot. Pioli, Ireland and New York Jets GM Mike Tannenbaum have all apparently taken Parcells' advice about staying out of the limelight.


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Even Parcells himself, during his days with the Dolphins, would barely come up for air. He spoke to a handful of reporters whom he felt he could trust and that was it.

The joke is that Parcells did exactly the opposite during the most successful days of his long and storied career. As New York Giants head coach, Parcells liked to portray himself as a tough guy, snarling when the cameras and TV reporters were around on Wednesday and Thursday.

By Friday, however, Parcells would sit in the media room for hours. The key was that Fridays, particularly back in the 1980s, were when the beat reporters were the only ones left. Parcells would sit and develop relationships with those guys, allowing him to survive the rough patches (and when you had to deal with Lawrence Taylor on a weekly basis, there were plenty of rough patches).

In fact, the GM who Parcells worked for, the late, great George Young, was a media-friendly man who understood the relationship between the team and the public. Young believed in answering questions. The fans might not like the answers, but they never could accuse him of ducking. In fact, it was Young who would point toward the media room and tell his coaches: "You see those reporters in there? They were here before you got here and they'll be here after you leave."

One of those coaches who Young lectured long ago was Parcells. Somehow the message got lost in translation.

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/nfl--al...f-ireland.html

"Change" probably means we'll be "looking to upgrade" the QB position next year, and force Romeo to hire a DC...

Yeah. Pioli didn't work his way up. Jesus.

Pioli was a scout with Cleveland. Pioli was a Director of Player Personel with the Jets and Pats. The lone difference is that DeCosta did entirely college, while Pioli did college and pro evaluations as he came up. They're very similar paths.

I figured most with any knowledge of the NFL draft already knew it and the rest of you could look it up for yourselves.

Sorry I hurt your sensitive little feelings.

The thing is that he left and followed Parcells to the Jets, then Belichick to the Patriots.

How many great drafts did the Patriots have while he was there? How many first round busts? How many "gems" did he uncover?

How many quarterbacks did he draft in the first round?

Bringing up DeCosta is moot because he's not going anywhere. The Chiefs need to be looking at guys like Eliot Wolf and Marc Ross or digging up a Ryan Grigson type of guy.

Would prefer Wolf over Ross, but either one would be a hell of an upgrade

Pioli has never been a scout.
http://media.kcchiefs.com/front-offi...l-manager.aspx

Let's say this about Pioli/Belichick also:

For all their knowledge, didn't they pass on Tom Brady 5 times before they took him? If they had any inkling that he was going to be who he ended up as, there's no way they let him fall to the 6th round just to look smart.

The thing that worries me about DeCosta, and which should have worried me about Pioli, is that they both were comfortable staying in their successful environments and turning down other job offers. To me, when a guy starts to get comfortable where he is, where everything is set up nicely and they are a nice cog in the equation, and aren't sure if they want to leave that comfort to go push themselves and challenge themselves, it should raise alarm bells. If a guy is comfortable ruling their little piece of the kingdom while someone else runs the whole show, I worry about what that means from a leadership standpoint.

I'm sure at some point someone will offer DeCosta a boatload of money, and it may be enough to pull him away from BMore, but what happens when he goes somewhere where he doesn't have the same scouts, the same owner, the same office, when an entire organization is looking at him for leadership, where he doesn't have Ray Lewis and Joe Flacco on the field? How will he react? How will he lead? If I am Clark Hunt, that's my question to the guy if I'm interviewing him (of course if I am Clark Hunt, I am showing more leadership myself)...

Granted that they don't have names like coaches do, but I have doubts that we could get DeCosta. Even Ross in NY. If the executive of the decade gets run out of town, it will make them think twice, unless Clark can convince them of something else.

He would have got ran out of town because he didn't do his ****ing job.

Are we getting technical over scout and assistant scout? He came up on the player personnel side. Those guys scout players. Most of Pioli's job for 10+ years has been flying around the country scouting.

Cleveland ran their GM out of town after 8 games in 2009 and hired Tom Heckert & Mike Holgrem who were pretty hot commodities. There won't be any backlash from Clark firing Pioli after 4 years and 3 last place finishes.

Oh please know I'm not suggesting we keep Pioli. That's the worst idea.

I do wonder how that will affect future hirings. But I also know that we can't continue on our current path.

This
It's becoming quite obvious this whole Patriot way garbage is nothing more then random luck.

The Patriot Way IS Tom Brady. Period.

That is how the Chiefs roll. The perfect formula of mediocrity in perpetuity.

You're a ****ing moron.

Instead of hyperbole, why don't you give specific examples? Or is that above your pay grade?

And just look at the personnel record during his stints with Cleveland, the Jets and the patriots.

HUGE difference between those and Baltimore.

And who really gives a **** about DeCosta, anyway? That idea is way past discussing, since he's not leaving Baltimore.

LMAO

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No, it hasn't.

Regional scouts and national scouts turn in reports and do the true legwork. Pioli doesn't spend his Saturdays at college football venues.

Furthermore, the mother****er tossed the scouting information collected by Chuck Cook and the Chiefs and instead, used his New England scouting reports for the 2009 draft.

Great job, Scott!

I still remember being pissed when, IIRC, Dallas worked a trade with Cleveland so the Browns could get ahead of the Chiefs and picked Quinn.

Dane, what do you think of Marc Ross? Would you prefer DeCosta to him, or someone else? I know you've probably posted elsewhere.

I'd love to see David Shaw get a good look as a HC. Lots of NFL experience, high intelligence, football acumen.

Part of me wants to see Quinn succeed just because of all of the shit that he's had to go through.

I'd rather have Geno Smith though.

I don't know about you but I am actually excited for the first time this weekend with Quinn at center. I just think that we have the personnel to make him look decent.

Although I am 99.9% sure he is not the long-term answer.

someone on my Twitter timeline, said Petro said that he has heard that Pioli has agreed to a contract extension

I will go on a tri-state murder spree if that happens.

Ha. I'd love to see them announce that.

If this is true, then we'll have to direct our vitriol towards Clark.

Same here. Plus he always seems to be the first one giving high fives to the defense when they come off the field, like someone else pointed out in a different topic he was basically chasing Jamaal Charles during his run against the Saints.. Maybe it'll be different seeing someone else under center who doesn't think that everything is someone else's fault.

Petro has said many, many times, including as late as today, that he has "heard rumblings" that Pioli has already gotten an extension.

I hope that extension comes with a cord.

Keitzman said the same things today about hearing that Pioli got an extension. Clark following the Scott Pioli blueprint for failure.

and some nuthooks.

The two problems addressed include anyone caught littering will be fined the cost of 2 beers and anyone caught applauding at arrowhead will have their ticket privileges revoked.

**** Clark Hunt if he extended that mother****er.

The rumblings mean nothing. Maas and Wright hear that there are "major changes." Others hear that there is an extension.

Either way, Clark must respond. And unless they plan on playing the rest of their games for the next few years in an empty stadium, Clark better choose us.

Clark "If you ever start that bastard Cassel again I'm extending you another year at 1 1/2 times your salary! Is that perfectly clear?"

Pioli "understood"

Job number one done. Job number two, check into the rash of gum wrappers on the floor. Job number three, get Cassel back on the field.

Why would a GM who has accomplished almost nothing but drive down attendance and lower the reputation of the team with the Haley saga and now this riff between apparently every player and fan get a contract extension...?

Hope the Hunt family isn't looking to follow Horace Greeley's advice...

How do contracts for GMs work? Are they guaranteed similar to a contract that is given to a head coach?

Die in a fire asshole!

This should cheer you up.

A picture of Chunt holding the trophy he holds most dear...

http://i48.tinypic.com/14kw1uo.jpg

I'd like to think he's better than frickin Palko. I sure as hell hope he is. If not, Geno Smith here we come....

Son of a bitch.

Is that the Hogwarts Quidditch championship?

Columbus Crew MLS Championship.
That's pretty close, though...

What's the name of the team he owns? Kansas City Sporting or something like that?

How does big changes = Pioli getting an extension

scarves for everyone!!!

FC Dallas and Columbus Crew

Chunt is the greatest nickname for Clark. Thanks GW.

I don't think Pioli goes anywhere and it wouldn't surprise me if the extension talks are true. Clark doesn't view Pioli as a problem at all. Now Clark may be telling Pioli get a QB or else. I'll bet money that an extension gets announced the day after the NFL Draft.

Pioli must go. No ifs, no buts.

If Clark thinks it is remotely OK for this team's general manager to actively hate its fanbase to the point where it lets its fans become vilified in the national media then he is a despot and the team ought to move, because the connection between team and city will be forever severed.