The problem is that single game ticket sales are such a small percentage of game attendance that it really doesn't impact their pocketbook significantly. They'll draft a 1st round QB and sell season tickets on his back next year to bolster attendance. They don't care if you don't attend after you've already paid cash for the tickets. They got their money. It's a cycle. Do just enough in the offseason to pique the interest of season ticket holders again.

I think that element is what fans are truly emotionally attached to anyway. They think that if they stop going the tailgates would end and that part of being a fan would die. I am not sure who said just because we fill the parking lot we have to fill the stadium.

I think it would be a huge indictment to show a stadium full of cars in the pregame only to have everyone leave or not show up in their seats for the game.

Could Chiefs fans be disciplined and united enough to organize and orchestrate a 'sit out'????

Right, and not renewing will work for the pocket book next year.

Breaking a cycle requires actions different than those that created the cycle. They could be the only team in the league that sells out the parking lot but have any empty stadium. :D

Whitlock is the effin man

Perhaps we need a game day blockade of every stadium entrance. Kinda the camerohead version of a 60's hippie sit in.

whit has really been on a tear lately. His best stuff ever, IMO.

Horrible idea unless we have about 10x the current kitty for bail.

Once again, you're completely wrong. I wonder if you saw ANYTHING at all about the coverage of the Winston incident outside of what you read here.

NOT ONE of the talking heads on ESPN or NFLN said ANYTHING about this being "confusing" or "out of character". Not one of them said anything remotely close to "the Chiefs fans are generally such a great bunch, this is surprising".

No, they jumped IMMEDIATELY to the idea that Chief fans are classless, hateful cretins.

Who is accepting that we are pathetic, hapless, or helpless? NOTHING in what Whitlock wrote suggests that we are any of those things. NOTHING. You are the ONLY person that read Whitlock's article and extrapolated that.

Your ability to be a contrarian is hampered by the fact that both your "logic" and your ability to read and comrehend are completely and utterly flawed.

Mods need to hit this thread with a heavy dosage of Valtrex.

Is that what Bronc Fans take when the Vagina is weeping?

Talk about lack of reading skills. From the article above.

Talk about painting with a broad brush. :doh!: Maybe he should talk to some of the players who credit the fans at every turn. Many of which wear red each week.

Abused? Really? Last I saw there were no shelters for battered or abused Chiefs fans. Dispised? Well then you really must be 'stupid and unworthy' (his words) to continue to go back for more. Which, seems pathetic. :doh!:

Really? Aside from Eric Winston's blown out of proportion comments which, by the way, were not 100% negative about the fans, there has been very little critical treatment of fans in this town. Even in the face of full blown hate campaigns directed at certain players and GMS. Some even I participated in. Funny, when I got to meet Elvis Grbac in person he was actually quite nice if not awkward and SO NOT SEXY. There are not players/athletes scorning fans in this town. One or two, maybe.

Really? Desperate? If this is not labeling someone as hapless or helpless I am not sure what is. I am not desperate by what happens on that field. I enjoy watching or I turn it off. My family is still healthy, we have jobs, a good home over our heads and are generally content in our lives.

Is there anyone here truly desperate over what happens on that football field? Aside from Cassel and Pioli? If so, that says more about your life than it does the Chiefs failures.

A million thanks

MOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

LMAOLMAOLMAOLMAO

Not as funny as poop sack or whatever the last one was. But still LOL. :D

So instead we should take the advice of a Chiefs traitor and terrorist sympathizer? Following your direction is going to make us look better?

Sorry, I'll stake my claim to Whitlock and not think twice about it.

In the end, I don't care if you suckle off of Jwhit. Just be careful what you ask for...

You have more posts in this thread than any other poster (21 and second place is sitting at 8) telling us all how it is a mistake. Yet you don't care. Riiiiiiight.

Seriously, go throw yourself off of the nearest tall bridge.

MOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

Actually not all of them were about trusting Whitlock to carry your message. I noticed I went over 31k posts in this thread.

Thanks Jason! :D

Actually, they are not the only choices.

Throughout history, mankind has shown an intolerance to despotisim and tyranny and, eventually, even the lowest of the lows have toppled the mightest of empires when the odds said that it was neigh impossible to do so.

Whitlock is our Robspierre, our Patrick Henry.

The groundswell has begun. The eloquent have taken heart and have begun to put our feelings, thoughts and passions to pen and paper. This is how the powerful begin to understand, but, fortunately, only too late for their redemption.

The Boston Tea Party, the storming of the Bastille has commenced.

Sharpen the guillotine!

Viva la Revolution!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

http://www.rjgeib.com/thoughts/french/liberty.jpg

Hmmm, let's see here. You want people who have already bought tickets to go to the parking lot & pay the $27 to park & tailgate but not go inside? Since you are still going to hand over more cash, I don't see haw that is sending a message. If your plan is to forfiet your seat, then why not just stay at home and party in the comfort of your own home?

ROFL

LMAOLMAOLMAOLMAO:LOL::LOL::LOL::LOL:

That was hysterical.

By admission, tailgating has been the most rewarding and enjoyable part of the Chiefs fan experience for a long while now, right? I'm saying it is possible to have one without the other. Just as we used to have one without the other. When the Chiefs were really bad and before tailgating became popular there was NO reason to go to the stadium. But if the party is still good and hanging with other fans is still a big draw and the best part of the Chiefs experience then why does it have to suffer because the game experience sucks?

It is possible to fill the stadium parking lot with partying fans wanting to go inside but only if the product inside is worth watching...

This tailgating and then going in and leaving at half time or by the time the Chiefs are down three touchdowns isn't working...

Hunt gets paid for parking fees.

Gunt gets paid in personal satisfaction by shitting on this team and fanbase, just like the past decade.

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So you managed to find 4 or 5 quotes denigrating PLAYERS and MEDIA.

Can you post some that denigrate US?

You're dense but I didn't think you were THIS dense.

Seriously. But, but, but I thought he was 'the VOICE' of the fans. Standing up for the people. Chiefs fans who he is describing in this article.

If you don't feel that his claiming you are despised, abused, the target of scorn, and desperate is a condescending negative (not to mention downright inaccurate) description of you and the fan base then we've got a collective conscience of shat on and wanting more going on here. So much so that we don't even know it when we see it.

I'd love to see a poll as to who here feels the Chiefs players have scorned them, despise them, and abused them. Remember, he is painting them all with a broad brush, not just Winston. Which, ironically, he's lamenting in his article.

:clap:

LMAO

The Voice of the Fans?

He's A voice and A fan. One that happens to be fairly well-connected, which is useful to those of us that want to affect change.

I don't base my sense of self or my worth on what other people say about me.

What he said is that players and media treat us with scorn. That doesn't make ME "scorned".

That makes them idiots.

I've not always been a whitlock fan on every occasion but he is indeed the 1 national talking head who is being a carnival barker for our cause.

That, and he put a dollar for every pound of dense's arse into a fund putting his money where his mouth is on this topic.

LMAO Iowanian just never disappoints.

Duhnise giving advice to Chiefs fans is akin to Iran giving national security advice to the US.

Kim Jong DENSE just shot a 7 on an 18 hole gorf coarse.

LMAO:LOL:

This is probably one of Whitlocks best columns.

The answer is not to purchase parking and then skip the game. The answer would be to have the tailgating elsewhere and skip the game.

Oh, I love that. Do you know a large enough property where you can get publicly intoxicated and it not be a problem? Room for cars, grills, pick up football games and firepits...

can't forget the smores, you know. :)

If you want to send a message, then you don't hand over any more $ to Clark period. No merchandise, parking or concessions. Make Arrowhead a ghost town on sundays. Just have a BBQ at home with family and friends. If and when the Chiefs make the needed changes, the Arrowhead atmosphere will come back

You head on out, the rest of us will be along shortly.

http://b.vimeocdn.com/ts/331/376/331376389_640.jpg

I have a question for the more informed among us ...

In terms of overall revenue, how much do the Chiefs generate from television and how much from ticket sales, merchandise, concessions, and the like? Like ... say ... for example, is TV revenue 80% of the total? 60%?

It seems, if Mr. jwhit is correct, Arrowhead could be empty every weekend and it wouldn't make a difference on overall franchise decision-making or direction. Profits might decrease, but to a level insufficient to foster change or to even garner attention from ownership.

FAX

Forbes considers Chiefs fans the 9th most valuable in the NFL. Valued at $49 per fan. Tied with Cleveland and New England. We have an idea how much each of us is worth to Clark Hunt.

http://www.forbes.com/pictures/emdm4...s-city-chiefs/

If nobody goes then games get blacked out. If games get blacked out local stations lose a ton in advertising revenue. No advertising revenue no tv concracts.

The Chiefs receive approximately $312 million in revenue from the TV contracts per year. The salary cap is currently $120 million and many people claim that the Chiefs have paid out $130 million in salary for 2012.

So, $312-130 is $182 million. If it's truly an average of $49 a fan, figuring 72,000 people, you're looking about $30 million in revenues if each home game (including preseason) are sold out.

How much does Clark pocket a year?

It's not about attendance, it's about tickets sold.

Kansas City advertisers and local networks, unlike cities like San Diego and Jacksonville, will purchase the necessary tickets to avoid blackouts because they would lose far too much money otherwise.

But that said, an empty Chiefs stadium is embarrassing in this day and age.

This is why you don't park in the lot, park on the street. Blue Ridge Cutoff, Raytown Rd, etc. Overwhelming automobile blockade by sheer volume. Traffic cops and towtrucks cannot keep up.

Easy for me to say, i'm outa town and it's not my car. Phobia even told me it's a horrible idea, so it MUST be brilliant!! :thumb:

Who knows? We know he's only part-owner with a 25% share and since the NFL will not open up their books, it's impossible to know who is on the payroll and what they're paid.

I would estimate that he earns between $20-30 million from the Chiefs each year, although that's a very, very rough estimate.

Not true. The national TV contracts are where the money is, not local revenue.

They black out the KC market its not a financial disaster. See Tampa Bay. They have been blacked out for years. The NFL chugs along.

But blackouts and empty stadiums would motivate Clark to do something. I see no way that Clark lets that slide without acting. But it will be because of Clark, not local TV contracts.

Apparently, the NFL has some sort of "Master Contract" for television in which revenues are split (these are probably national broadcasts, Sunday ticket, etc.).

Anyhow, from what I can discern, the 2010 contract amounted to about 3.8 billion (with a B) divided among the 32 teams. It looks like the new deal will be worth 10 times that much ... roughly 1 billion per team.

If so, that eclipses the amount of money spent on tickets and concessions ... estimated by some at around 60 million on average per market.

Clark could make an easy fortune and never sell a single ticket or beer for the rest of his natural life and all his generations. Hell, they could give away tickets and beer and make more money than some third world countries.

FAX

Ok, Phobia will approve. :)

Shoot some video of your "protest tailgate at home", upload to youtube, post the link @saveourchiefs (and saveourchiefs.com). then the only guy it costs $ is Clark Hunt.

The vehicles that do get towed are on the hook for $250+ but as long as that money isn't going into Clark's pocket, right? Plus if you get caught intentionally blocking traffic, KCPD or Jackson County Deputies will figure out which disturbing the peace charge to throw at you as well. Volunteers for this plan please bring $700 cash to the stadium.

Clark will fire PioLLLLLi because he cares about winning and he cares about how the franchise looks.

Period.

Perhaps not in that order. LMAO

ah it was fun to dream...

takin off folks, everyone enjoy MNF 2nite, winner 2nite wins the AFC West, while CLLLLLark stays home in Dallas and counts his $ in January.

Trent Green is on 810 right now. He mentioned knowing nothing of the extension for Pissoli but did mention something else. He said he thought it was great that Winston took some initiative last week but had it misdirected. He said Winston should be embarrassed by all of the missed blocks, tackles for losses and little time for the QB to look through his progressions. He stated his line always took pride in blocking and they communicated by calling out people that missed blocks and that it seemed to be lacking for this team. Love Trent.

Trent for GM, HC and OC.

We need someone to tell it like it is, throwing anyone under the bus and then backing up to make sure they got it.

**** he should just suit up

Whitlock is full of crap. He takes a standards set by a bunch of bottom feeders and cloaks the entire NFL with it. All one has to do is look at the Denver Broncos to see that Twitlock's thesis is flimsey. Shanny loses the Division after losing the last 3, Fired. Josh McDaniels, 2-14, Fired. Kyle Orton, starts 0-4 and the fans lose thier shit, benched in comes Tebow. Next, welcome Peyton Manning. All NFL teams may make money but the top franchises cherish thier fans that's why they are the top. In Twitlock's world, NFL teams don't have incentive to win that's a bunch of bs.

Franchises without involved owners who have the ego, drive, or hunger to win have ZERO incentive to win in the current climate of revenue sharing.

Wonder where Pioli will go next? I bet he could wind up in Cleveland.

Perfect place for him. A big Brown shithole.

Always thought of JAson as a shit stirrer and attention whore
right now you ARE the MAN
you ar stirring shit in our favor and with this kind of attention
they may even let you into the power and light distric
give'em hell, my man

As requested by Phobia

I had a response all typed out for the locked thread. I don't do twitter, but shared the story on FB yesterday.

Apparently this media big wig needs your help in spamming his column to other journalists. (Why? Maybe they've blocked him?) and he's here to help you, the lowly no voice fan. So hop to it...

chop, chop.

LMAO

Well he chipped in $600 for the cause, how much did you put in Denise?

Nothing yet. I did not like the message targeted at individual players and said so in the thread. Depending on what the next once says I'm in. I want the message geared towards CHunt and Pioli. Not the players.

Unless it was an anti-Grbac banner and then she's in. To Denise's credit, she is voting with her wallet. She refuses to attend the Raiders game at Arrowhead this year.

No, I don't think I would have pitched in for that. It's just too personal. I believe the players put their bodies and their careers on the line when they step on the field. They aren't like CHunt and Pioli who sit behind a desk and are waited on all day. The players are simply chess pieces in the GMs and owners game. Certainly not like any of us sitting on our asses bitching about what they do while they are taking hits.

I didn't like the Grbac bulls eye signs and jpegs that were floating around. I got called out because I thought it was crossing a line. Got all sorts of flak for that but I believed it was too personal and not a line I wanted any part of crossing.

THIS and THIS.... oh and THIS

Done :thumb:

Not to mention, unlike Whitlock, I have a boy in college and another about there. There is no way in hell I'd spend that kind of money on an anti-Chiefs campaign. I'd spend it on Sporting Kansas City first. It's actually going to support a winner vs. complaining about a loser.

Aren't there any soccer sites with political forums?

STFU

This is cracking me up. You guys are a hooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooot! LMAOLMAOLMAOLMAO

And you're a disgusting pig.

Like!

The flying banner and Twitter followings are a start, but they still appear to the public to be a faction or schismatic element of Chiefs Fans. What would be interesting to see is something that would show a live TV audience on say Monday Night Football the dissatisfaction by the entirety of Chiefs fans.

I am thinking getting everyone in the stadium wearing a certain color T-shirt emblazoned with a certain slogan. So that it would force MNF announcers and viewership to say, "why is Arrowhead all dressed in green?" Oh, it's because all ownership sees is dollar signs.

Something like that, with nationwide press.

LMAO at the horrible idea of ever spending $600 on soccer.

Definitely, when you can spend SOOOO much more supporting a losing franchise and then even more complaining about it. :doh!: ROFL

I don't spend that much on any professional sport. I don't go to Chiefs or Royals gams unless the tix are given to me.

But soccer? LMAO it's ****ing soccer