Originally Posted by Driving Wheel (Post 9021650)

Were in NO WAY a top 5 team in '10.

We were top 5 in rushing...that's all.

Defense was like 16th total, middle of the pack. Passing was like 29th in the league. (That's out of 32 teams, btw.) That means we were better than, say, Cleveland jacksonville and St. L or some such shit.

Take the magic storm of a last place schedule, with the fact that our inter-conference matchups were with the NFC West (which was GOD-AWFUL that year - Seattle blitzed everyone and took the division at 7-9) - that was only playoff team we beat that year, btw: more on that later - coupled with the absolute masterful coaching job by the entire coaching staff, made a 10-6 possible.

Hey, kushed god - did you know that the only playoff team we ever beat with Matt cASShoLLLLLe was that victory over 7-9 Seattle in 2010?? The only other times we have ever beat a playoff team...were the two victories with Kyle orton that got RAC's fat ass a job. That is an absolute fact.

THAT is how 2010 was smoke and mirrors.

word of advice, "n00b" to "noob"?? Know your shit up on here; they're gonna pounce on you regardless, and if you can't stand on it or back it up, they will rip you to shreds. Fact is, we're not top 5, but you wish we were - in your mind, we were #1!! And that's how it should be. But temper your fan's optimism with reality. Saying "IMO we were top 5" is like saying "imo water isn't wet and the sky is not yellow, it's chicken" - facts prove otherwise. Check the facts, then form an opinion.

good luck.

Originally Posted by kushed god (Post 9021169)

It doesn't make up for it but it was a step in the right direction that year. We actually had something to cheer for that year, don't deny it.

Originally Posted by PA Chiefs (Post 9021728)

last game they showed on cbs hali getting the team ready before they took the field and he said lets show them how good we know we are I think this the problem they think they are better then they are

Originally Posted by kushed god (Post 9021232)

The NE tree only works if your in NE...once you leave NE, it's like you're not the same player/person anymore.

Originally Posted by Cassel's Reckoning (Post 9021910)

The talent is not there.

Not at the level people think.

We have a lot of trash on the defensive line and in the secondary that needs to be taken out.

Offensively, Dexter, Baldwin and our backup running backs are NOT GOOD PLAYERS, certainly not guys who deserve to be starting anyway, and I am going to pound that into this forum's collective head until they agree with me.

This team needs:

HC
QB
At LEAST one WR
A RB to compliment Charles, because I doubt Hillis is back. Droughn and Gray are very average players it appears.
S
Two CBs
Probably 3 new defensive linemen, barring ascendance from Poe or Powe. We have absolutely nothing at DE.

Originally Posted by Driving Wheel (Post 9022250)

^THIS

I am absolutely baffled how little safety depth there has been; since that Denver game in 2010 that Lewis missed w/injury, it's been obvious that anytime Berry or Lewis has been out (which is a lot) there has been absolutely NO back end responsibility, and P-hole has not addressed that at all...

...Rashard Langford and Shabby Piscatelli weren't the answer...

...and now, Berry and Lewis look to be drowning in the same foulness the rest of the team is choking on.

Not a good look, P-holey...not a good look.

Originally Posted by sfchief (Post 9022222)

Marc Ross: NY Giants
http://m.nypost.com/p/sports/giants/...VrU6C2XvtKBSoO

Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 9022034)

Holy ****in shit. Nice post.

Originally Posted by NJChiefsFan (Post 9022284)

I think Berry and Lewis will be alright. We do need depth there because as you mentioned they get hurt a lot. We just need to find somebody to fill Dorsey's spot that gets some pressure on the QB. I can live with Jackson on the other side stopping the run IF we had a DE opposite him that could put pressure on the QB. The NT spot is TBD.

Originally Posted by Driving Wheel (Post 9022337)

Dorsey is a 4-3 UT, playing out of position. The money Jackson is making, Dorsey is gone next year regardless, but I can't think of any 3-4 pass rushing DEs in a contract year off the top of my head, so that leaves the draft...and we need a QB...and most all pass rushing ends are gone quick. :\ this team has a LOT of holes.

**** YOU, P-HOLEY!!

Originally Posted by Tribal Warfare (Post 9022291)

The question would be if he would hire a 4-3 set coach or a 3-4 scheme guy

Originally Posted by Tribal Warfare (Post 9022291)

The question would be if he would hire a 4-3 set coach or a 3-4 scheme guy

Originally Posted by chiefscafan (Post 9022394)

So do we even draft a qb if pioli gets the extension can he really say all cassel needs is protection. If he does that I'm done being a chief fan till pioli is gone.

Originally Posted by Driving Wheel (Post 9022372)

the right guy would adapt to his personnel, and for what it is, we're a 3-4 team right now. We don't have near enough line depth to run a 4-3 unless Houston and/or Hali went back to being down linemen, which honestly would **** both their games up.

Whoever comes in has to run some type of 3-4 or hybrid; it wouldn't have to be 2-gap, they could go like they did in Dallas and Houston and run the old Bum Phillips 34. At any rate, such an abrubt shift in philosophy would almost certainly result in yet another year of awful football.

Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 9022470)

We could switch to 1-gap right now and improve the defense dramatically. Passive defense just doesn't get it done in today's NFL. Even average QBs will pick it apart eventually.

Originally Posted by sfchief (Post 9022515)

YEP!
You have to have a great secondary hold long enough in a 2gap
Dorsey and Poe would benefit greatly

Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 9022470)

We could switch to 1-gap right now and improve the defense dramatically. Passive defense just doesn't get it done in today's NFL. Even average QBs will pick it apart eventually.

Originally Posted by Cassel's Reckoning (Post 9022571)

We think we could.

We know Dorsey and Jackson are useless in such a defense. Bailey is a lousy pass rusher and appears to be another Pioli bust at this point.

Could Powe, Ropati and Poe do it? It's questionable.

If we tried to change the entire scheme to 1-gap at this point I doubt it would do anything but cause mass confusion and enormous running lanes.

Originally Posted by Cassel's Reckoning (Post 9022571)

We think we could.

We know Dorsey and Jackson are useless in such a defense. Bailey is a lousy pass rusher and appears to be another Pioli bust at this point.

Could Powe, Ropati and Poe do it? It's questionable.

If we tried to change the entire scheme to 1-gap at this point I doubt it would do anything but cause mass confusion and enormous running lanes.

Originally Posted by PA Chiefs (Post 9021711)

didnt know, dont know if i care thanks for the info

Originally Posted by listopencil (Post 9021290)

Argh, Scott. Ye finally admitted that ye be sportin' a pussy.

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 9022609)

Disagree with you on Dorsey, and no, one bad year in Gun's system when he was asked to play more of a Nose Tackle role isn't validation of that.

His skill set out of college was his first step. He is not a pass rusher, but he is a guy who knows how to collapse the pocket and attack the run.

Jackson, if moved to a 1-gap, is out.

Originally Posted by NJChiefsFan (Post 9022357)

A QB goes without saying at this point. Its a waste of time even typing it. Everyone knew from the beginning that Dorsey was being put in a spot that probably wasn't going to work.

Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 9022470)

We could switch to 1-gap right now and improve the defense dramatically. Passive defense just doesn't get it done in today's NFL. Even average QBs will pick it apart eventually.

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 9022632)

By the way...
Gus Bradley in Seattle runs a 3-4/4-3 hybrid. Funny, because that's the defense I think Haley wanted to build. But it's also a defense we could very effectively transition into.

Originally Posted by Cassel's Reckoning (Post 9021910)

The talent is not there.

Not at the level people think.

We have a lot of trash on the defensive line and in the secondary that needs to be taken out.

Offensively, Dexter, Baldwin and our backup running backs are NOT GOOD PLAYERS, certainly not guys who deserve to be starting anyway, and I am going to pound that into this forum's collective head until they agree with me.

This team needs:

HC
QB
At LEAST one WR
A RB to compliment Charles, because I doubt Hillis is back. Droughn and Gray are very average players it appears.
S
Two CBs
Probably 3 new defensive linemen, barring ascendance from Poe or Powe. We have absolutely nothing at DE.

Originally Posted by Driving Wheel (Post 9022683)

that's exactly why it took so long to name a DC in '09

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 9022706)

Because Pioli was so bullheaded that all he wanted to run was 2-gap. There are only a handful of guys who run that, and Romeo wasn't coming back to coaching that year.

Instead, he hired a guy in Clancy Pendergast who runs Gus Bradley's exact scheme he's now running in Seattle, and forced Pendergast to run a 2-gap defense that wasn't in his wheelhouse. How do we know that? Because Tyson Jackson is a prototypical 2-gapper.

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 9022706)

Because Pioli was so bullheaded that all he wanted to run was 2-gap. There are only a handful of guys who run that, and Romeo wasn't coming back to coaching that year.

Instead, he hired a guy in Clancy Pendergast who runs Gus Bradley's exact scheme he's now running in Seattle, and forced Pendergast to run a 2-gap defense that wasn't in his wheelhouse. How do we know that? Because Tyson Jackson is a prototypical 2-gapper.

Originally Posted by Driving Wheel (Post 9022651)

Tampa could do that shit because of their personel; everyone (except Indy) who tried to emulate the famed 'Tampa 2' failed (sound familiar).

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 9022712)

I get it: You actually work for Pioli's Chiefs.

Clancy Pendergast ran the 31st ranked defense in Arizona for not one year, but two. He was a cluster**** of a hire but only you could provide the reach-around defense.

Idiot.

Originally Posted by Driving Wheel (Post 9022651)

truth - the only way that bend-don't-break shit works is when you can get constant pass rush.

Tampa could do that shit because of their personel; everyone (except Indy) who tried to emulate the famed 'Tampa 2' failed (sound familiar).

**** a 2-gap defense. We don't have the pass rush, and no secondary depth - **** how did this happen!!!???

Originally Posted by Sorter (Post 9022725)

Chicago Bears send their regard. So do the Colts that carried Peyton to a SB.

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 9022727)

The 2-gap defense isn't as bad as everyone says, but I'd prefer we run 1-gap. Our defensive woes the last few games have a lot more to do with softness, poor scheme preparation, and lack of focus. Not as much of a talent issue.

A lot of our defensive problems will be fixed by just having a head coach who gets his players to play with discipline and intensity. Romeo was such a stupid hire for head coach, it's mind-numbing.

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 9022712)

I get it: You actually work for Pioli's Chiefs.

Clancy Pendergast ran the 31st ranked defense in Arizona for not one year, but two. He was a cluster**** of a hire but only you could provide the reach-around defense.

Idiot.

Originally Posted by Driving Wheel (Post 9022732)

that's what the 'except Indy' meant, and you could hardly say their defense was anything more than along for that ride.

Chicago has the horses to pull it off...but I ain't seen a Bear wearing a ring since '85...and that D was the 46.

Originally Posted by Driving Wheel (Post 9022744)

I agree with this assessment down the line; I hate passive defense as a general rule...but this D was WAAAY better the past 2 years.

Mind numbing is indeed the word...

I'm still in shock.

Originally Posted by kushed god (Post 9021171)

Originally Posted by chiefscafan (Post 9022790)

But the d looked good last year. Is it the d or do they have Zero confidence in the qb? That has a lot to do with what is happening.

Originally Posted by jspchief (Post 9022849)

it didn't look that good. They suffered a lot of blowouts. They played well against bad teams/QBs. Green Bay was the one exception where they played good D against a good team.

Originally Posted by tredadda (Post 9022858)

I don't think the D is a problem talent wise. I think it is all coaching. Get a competent defensive coordinator in and we would have a top 10 defense.

Originally Posted by qabbaan (Post 9022879)

I'm not going to be too picky about who it is. We all thought we had a coup when we hired Pioli...

Originally Posted by qabbaan (Post 9022879)

I'm not going to be too picky about who it is. We all thought we had a coup when we hired Pioli...

Originally Posted by qabbaan (Post 9022879)

I'm not going to be too picky about who it is. We all thought we had a coup when we hired Pioli...

Originally Posted by xztop12 (Post 9022870)

Get me Mike Nolan in any capacity.

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 9022953)

You just joined in 2012.

How can you possibly say "we"?

Originally Posted by doomy3 (Post 9022967)

I'd assume he is saying "we" as in "Chiefs' fans."

Most of "us" were happy to have Pioli after Peterson. At the time it seemed like quite a nice change.

Originally Posted by doomy3 (Post 9022967)

I'd assume he is saying "we" as in "Chiefs' fans."

Most of "us" were happy to have Pioli after Peterson. At the time it seemed like quite a nice change.

Originally Posted by CJizzles (Post 9022989)

Gotta believe everything on Twitter.

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 9022985)

I guess, although I think even the casual fan was happy about the change due more to the fact that Peterson's reign of terror was finally over moreso than the hiring of Pioli.

It's disappointing that fans are in the same place not even four years later.

Originally Posted by doomy3 (Post 9022994)

I think it was a combo. Pioli was by and large the biggest name available, and the Chiefs got him. At the time, that was pretty awesome. It isn't often that a Kansas City sports team goes out and gets the guy who most people think is the biggest name available.

Guys like DeCosta and others who were mentioned weren't even available. At the time, Pioli looked to be a welcome change from Peterson.

I agree though, we are basically in the exact same spot as before. Only thing that has really changed is that Arrowhead has lost some of its allure over the last few years. That can change in a hurry if we start winning again.

Originally Posted by Rausch (Post 9022993)

This gives us hope so YOU SHUT YOUR WHORE MOUTH!

Originally Posted by Rausch (Post 9023013)

Hard to imagine but KC is even less attractive to a big name GM/HC/Player than it was before Pissholi got here...

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 9022985)

I guess, although I think even the casual fan was happy about the change due more to the fact that Peterson's reign of terror was finally over moreso than the hiring of Pioli.

It's disappointing that fans are in the same place not even four years later.

Originally Posted by FAX (Post 9023037)

Same place, worse condition, though.

The young, bright talent on the squad is four years older, Romeo's defensive scheme will likely be scrapped (again), another OC will come in with yet another scheme, the fan base is in total revolt, the Chiefs image is in the toilet, and the players have had an additional four more years to establish and reinforce a losing mentality.

This isn't the kind of thing you turn around in a season or two.

FAX

Originally Posted by doomy3 (Post 9022994)

I agree though, we are basically in the exact same spot as before. Only thing that has really changed is that Arrowhead has lost some of its allure over the last few years. That can change in a hurry if we start winning again.

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 9023065)

I'm certain that if Clark cleans house and the Chiefs draft a QB in the first round, 90% of the fan base will be re-energized for 2013 and beyond.

Only time will tell if those moves are made.

Originally Posted by KCrockaholic (Post 9023053)

It's ok to be wrong as a fan, and as an owner. Every person makes mistakes and has a wrong opinion at times. It's a matter of being able to move forward and admit to mistakes that separates guys like Pioli from the majority of the fan base. Hopefully Clark is good at admitting mistakes. He's made one. Let's see if he can step up and fix it.

Originally Posted by Brock (Post 9023026)

**** big names.

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 9023119)

What's interesting is that Clark Hunt wanted to model the team after the Steelers. A lot of Pioli/Hunt's first year moves reflect that. A head coach from the Whisenhunt tree. A defensive coordinator from the Whisenhunt tree. initially, an offensive coordinator from the Cowher tree. All 3 were connected to the Steelers tree, and only one loosely connected to the Parcells tree.

So this team started on the path to the Steelers. I don't think Hunt even realizes how far off Pioli's philosophy is from the philosophy Hunt originally envisioned for his team.Hopefully he does now.

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 9023133)

The ONLY way to emulate the Steelers is for the owner(s) to be involved on a daily basis.

The Steelers are not run or owned by absentee owners. So until that happens, Clark is just blowing smoke.

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 9023133)

The ONLY way to emulate the Steelers is for the owner(s) to be involved on a daily basis.

The Steelers are not run or owned by absentee owners. So until that happens, Clark is just blowing smoke.

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 9023162)

It worked well for Arizona, even with the Bidwells, who were viewed as incompetent until Whisenhunt turned the team around. If Dimitroff were the GM, I bet he would have built Haley a Steeler like offense and defense. I'm not talking about emulating the Steeler Way. I'm talking about emulating the system/scheme. Ironically, it's what Hunt wanted. It's what Haley wanted. But Pioli is so arrogant, he thinks there's only one way to do things.

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 9023175)

Whatever.

Haley was a ****ing bozo. People seem to forget that the guy was an inferior game day coach to Herm.

Stop talking out of your ass.

Originally Posted by dtchiefs4life (Post 9023171)

CLLLLLark will have his ducks in a row.

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 9023195)

I really don't care about how he was as a game day coach. Our players were well conditioned, played with attitude, and played with discipline. These same players that do none of those things today.

Imagine if Haley was given the QB he wanted. If he was allowed to build the 1-gap 3-4 he wanted, and we all want now. If he had a front office that spent money on players. I don't know how good he really was. I just know he didn't get a fair shake.

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 9023195)

I really don't care about how he was as a game day coach. Our players were well conditioned, played with attitude, and played with discipline. These same players that do none of those things today.