how about asking him why every rookie QB starting this year has a higher QB rating (with the exception of Weeden, i think), and has won as many or more games than Cassel?

what time is that interview?

He can do things that Cassel could only dream of, but he's super inconsistent. I also think he's on the bubble in Tampa Bay. If he doesn't close this season out strong, his window for being a starter in the NFL will be much smaller. Despite his youth and potential.

Weeden: 68.1
Cassel: 66.2

Seriously?

Hell, I'd take TJ Yates over Cassel in a ****ing heartbeat, not to mention about five others from that list.

How ridiculous is that.

And you wouldn't take him over Cassel?

Cassel is consistent.....at being ****ing shitty.

I'd take you over Cassel, but that hardly means you're a viable alternative.

I'm not a Pioli apologist, but this long tenured idea that he's had a shit ton of good alternatives to Cassel just isn't true.

Out of 33 QBs in the NFL.....Matt Cassel is 33rd in QB rating.

That's the wrong question.
The right question is, "Is Josh Freeman significantly better than Cassel?"
Concerning his skillset? Absolutely. Overall? I think the difference is negligible at best.

At this point i'd jizz for Freeman, get him a top shelf qb coach & he's Roethlisberger Jr.

No....it's not. I just gave you a list of QBs that could do more with this offense than Cassel. The Texans basically ran the same gameplan that we ran against the Ravens in the playoffs with Yates at QB.....and they ****ing won. Freeman with some better coaching and weapons may fully realize his potential.

FFS.....I'd take goddamn Brandon Weeden over Cassel right now.

Yup. It's silly to even suggest that the talent on the roster is as bad as it was 4 years ago. The team just has absolutely ZERO leadership. I think a quality HC and QB would make this team a completely different animal. I've seen it first hand with what is going on with Miami right now. This team here was DEAD. Completely DEAD. A change at HC and a young up and coming QB has this team thinking playoffs, and for a good reason. The same thing would happen here. Actually to an even greater extent I believe.

Crennel is pulling off one of the worst HCing jobs any of us has ever seen.
The fact that the players knew that Haley would destroy them when they came off of the field and when watching film and would also not hesitate to put ANY player (other than Cassel I guess) on the ****ing bench the way he did DJ kept players on their toes. Haley would rip their faces off, and even had Cassel's bitch ass fired up and fighting with him on the sidelines.

When Haley got fired and Crennel took over the players went completely soft the way they were for Herm. Our next coach needs to be a complete Tom Coughlin like ass hole. They need to fear him, and they need to HATE him the way Michael Strahan hated Coughlin. We are going to have to have that with this group of guys.

I'm pretty sure the players have realized what the people here have known for a while. That we are not winning shit with these QBs.
A QB who the other players believe in, and a coach that they fear will have this team playing with fire, and will have them winning IMO. Just my 2cents

Blaine Gabbert has a higher QB rating than Cassel.

Pioli lied to us again.

There's no way Romeo Crennel would bench Steve Breaston for a couple of maggots like Baldween and McBuster.

Well, that was a waste of time.

They should both be fired!

Well, I think you can. The guy hates the media and doesn't ever go out of the way to do interviews. The fact that they are in the media doing damage control is a change for the

yes, it is

the idea that the only thing pioli could do in 4 years is acquire Matt Cassel is just dumb

and we sure as hell didn't need to play someone $5 mill a year if 'there was nothing else to do"...could have used a computer

People think he makes these decisions because MULTIPLE sources with the Chiefs and elsewhere in the NFL have said he does.

How naive do you have to be?

We would have had to trade up for him.......otherwise the list would be worse than I what posted.

He really hasn't put a whole lot of effort into finding a "viable alternative" to Cassel. For instance, just this year one pick after we took the game changing o-lineman Donald Stephenson in he third round, Seattle takes Russell Wilson. All Wilson has done is beat Green Bay and New England in the fourth quarter of both games (yes, a gift win, but stll a win against the Packers).

That's just one example. We could have easily taken Dalton over Baldwin, as well. But for whatever insane reason, Pioli has thought the QB position on this team has not needed addressing in his time here.

Russell Wilson beats the Packers and Patriots in his first 6 games....Cassel's best win is over a 7-9 Seahawks team...LMAO

You did, but the numbers don't bear you out.
We can talk about the QB's we'd rather have.
What we ought to be discussing is which one of these QB's is significantly better than Cassel today? That shrinks your list a bunch.

Yates completed 11 passes that day.
The Texans won because Foster went for a bill-fifty and two TD's.
The Houston D also produced 3 turnovers.
Not sure I give him much credit for that victory.

You can't infer about his job status, no. Yes, this is damage control. But we have ZERO idea if Pioli decided to do this on his own or if Clark told him to do it.

Those 2 scenarios have vastly different implications for his job status.

I would too, but that still doesn't solve anything. Quinnis better too, but it doesn't change much.

Occassionally, owners intervene but never GMs. It doesn't work that way. This is the stupidest Pioli theory there is. If he did this, he would be fired immediately and he would never work as GM again.

Nice job there Petro, way to ask him questions about things the fans all want to know about.

God damn stupid ****ing n00bs.

I completely believe that he had no choice but to do these interviews.

I maintain to this day that the trade for Cassel wasn't his mistake.
The mistake was the contract.

There have been a FEW other options, but not many as some would have you to believe.

I bet Clark is waiting to fire him the second we're eliminated from the playoffs.

He told Scott "until then, get your ass on the radio and try to make nice."

The fact that it was a taped interview in his office says alot. If Clark made him do it, it would have been at a press conference.

He is in complete control imo.

It is working that way. Pioli is without a doubt putting pressure on the staff to keep Cassel in the starting line up.

No one ever said there was umpteen billion chances to go get a QB. If there was, everyone would have one.

You only get a few...we whiffed on acquiring any competition whatsoever, didn't even bring in a capable backup....Scott is ultra ****ing fail.

If you are listening, he's talking about what I said.

LMAO

Two .500 football teams.
:rolleyes:

Actually people do overstate the number of alternatives to Cassel he's had.
That colors people's perception of him.

I'm not apologizing for Pioli here, but I do think we should have some perspective.

If that's the case, then he's in full CYA mode.

You think his job is safe. But you think he decided, without input from Clark, to do all these interviews?

Think about that for a minute.

And Weeden had a disasterous debut with 4 picks. Since then he's thrown 7 TDs to 6 INTs, and averaged 280 yards per game. Most of those games were competitive, too, and he is throwing to crap WRs I've never heard of.

Pioli is acting like there was NOTHING better out there. He's dead wrong. There have been plenty of posts about the number of alternatives. Even if you eliminate certain ones.....we still had a shot at Andy Dalton and Josh Freeman. Both have done more (even if they lack consistency) than Cassel has ever done.

Or do what other teams do. Trade up and get someone?

I'm amazed how other teams can seemingly find an endless supply of QBs to develop, use, trade for draft picks, etc. Meanwhile, Chiefs fans make excuses for why Pioli can't even come up with one decent backup.

Weeden has been throwing to Josh Gordon and Greg Little.

We weren't taking Freeman at #3. In 2009, No one would have and no one did.

We weren't taking Dalton. Cassel had just made the pro bowl and we won the west.

I can't ever blame Pioli for KC not having a QB better than Cassel. I would have liked to have gotten Jason Campbell but he obviously didn't want to come. Same for Manning.

Making a trade is impossible. Especially during the draft. Nobody does that!

Kill yourself.

We took a 3-4 DE that sucks at his job at #3. We could have damn sure taken a QB there.

He tried hard to trade back in 2009. It was well documented. We did trade back in 2011. Where are you coming from?

What about the other teams picking in the top 10 in 2009? Did any of them need QBs? You really have no argument.

Link or I call bullshit.

You're trolling. You have to be trolling.

Didin't Cleveland trade back with the Jets?

This is exactly why he still has a job.

Yep....at #5.

Didn't KC trade with New England for Cassel before the draft?

We were never taking a QB at #3 in that draft. It's a stupid argument.

So Star will be print?

I think someone else pointed out the mistake was the contract as well. Trade for Cassell give him 2 years, then draft a young guy to develop behind him such as Freeman.

Yeah....exactly the reason why he ****ed up. Pioli helped the Pats get that contract off the books and did it at the stupidest ****ing time ever.

He didn't even need to give him 2 years. We had the cap room to cover his $14 million dollar franchise tag. You start him and see how he performs. If he sucks.....he's gone. If he does good....you sign him to a modest contract. $63 million dollars for a 3rd string QB in college and the QB that took a 16-0 Pats team to 11-5 was monumentally stupid.

That's fine. Does that mean you have to take Tyson Jackson there?

We picked at #3 in 2009 because we were a horrible team in 2008.

We traded our 2nd round pick for a QB who just had an 11 win season. Do you really think we would have drafted a QB in the first round?

This is a stupid argument. Almost every position was a problem when Pioli got here.

Also, do you honestly think we would be any better off with Sanchez or Freemen?

No, but most of the top 10 picks sucked that year. Jackson is no where near the worst out of the top 10. That draft was one of the biggest crapshoots of all time. I wanted Crabtree or Raji. Jackson was an out of nowhere pick but, it definately could have been worse. We could have wound up with Jason Smith or Aaron Curry. Alot of fans wanted one of those guys.

Doug Tucker will have an AP story as well.

I somehow expected better out of The Executive Of The Decade.

Of course it was a worthless interview. He's not gonna say "I'm an idiot, Cassel is garbage, and Romeo is a fool"

We also couldve wound up with Sanchez, Raji, Orakpo, Cushing, Mack, Maybin, Crabtree, Freeman, Maclin, Harvin.... all guys who shouldve legitimately gone before Tyson Jackson even in the context of the time.

There is no doubt Pioli's a bust. Also, I agree about not giving Cassel a contract right away. He should have waited.

Slick, we traded for Cassel the same year Freeman was drafted so that wasn't going to happen.

Like I already stated in a previous post......he should have waited to trade for Cassel. And even if you eliminate the need for QB......which is more important to a 3-4....NT or DE? He should have drafted Raji instead of Jackson. Pioli is a ****ing moron.

Sad to think that at the time, Pioli was the best GM choice out there and most everyone was extremely excited to have him come to the Chiefs.

Yep, that's the crapshoot I'm talking about. it's easy to see that now but, you gotta realize none of the top 10 teams had Orakpo, Cushing, Mack, Crabtree, Freeman, Maclin, Harvin on the radar there. Hindsight is 20/20.

The only opportunity Pioli has had in his time here to get a QB was in 2009?

I have to listen to the full interview.
I'm on lunch so I'm going to do that now.

I wouldn't say Freeman's done more. He's had 1 good season in the NFL.
Cassel's had two. If we're arguing skillset...no question.

Dalton HAS been more consistent.
He's the best alternative to any of the others you cited.

Yep, you deserve defensive lineman every single year in the first round.

Don't worry about being lumped in with the Chiefs fans on this board, you don't even have the intelligence to even post here. No one will mistake you for someone with a ****ing clue.

The important trade the Chiefs have to consider is really simple. Fans or Scott.

The fact he is trotting around doing press meetings makes me sick. It tells me we are stuck with him. Not one more dime from me. FU Scott.

Can you read? I just said in the CONTEXT OF THE TIME.

Tyson Jackson was NOT a worthy top 10 pick in 2009

I heard reports of several GMs and war rooms that started laughing and snickering when that pick was made.

Isn't that like sayin we traded for Jackson last year, gave Flynn a nice contract no way do we take a QB in the draft this year and start him.

No, what?

I'm not. I'm suggesting that beating those two struggling teams isn't as impressive as it sounds.

One of those wins took the worst call in NFL history.

Guys ... this is bad. Real bad.

Just an FYI.

FAX

I see what you are saying but who did they take? We came out OK in the top 10 in my opinion.