Originally Posted by NewChief (Post 9052747)

Here's the deal: doctors are prescribing test now just like they prescribe adderall. You pay some high dollars, pull up at a "clinic", where the parking lots if filled with high dollar japanese and european SUVs, pay a premium "consultation" fee, and you get the drug/hormone/supplement of your choice from benzos to stims to test to HGH.

We have tons of friends who do it for adderall and quite a few who do it for test. Their "diagnosis" ranges from adult ADHD, to need for weight loss (for waifish women), to adult depression.

It's just like when my friends in college used to make trips down to Mexico to the pharms down there to pick up benzos and opiates, except now you can do it right at your friendly neighborhood quack. It's not that I'm skeptical of the benefits of test, I'm skeptical of how its being used and all the societal/class bullshit that goes along with this method of drug dispensation. ****ers are getting locked up for life for slinging some weed on the street corner, but legal quacks are doling this stuff out to the rich under the aegis of the law. It's bullshit, and test has become part of that whole thing.

Originally Posted by BIG_DADDY (Post 9065761)

This is why years ago during the Bush administration they went after the small pharm who was producing some great products so they wouldn't have any competition when they opened these. Now you have seen exactly what I predicted come to fruition.

They have been doing this in Europe for a very long time. This is the first time I have heard of anything bad coming from it other than a little added aggression. Heaven forbid a male be aggressive in this country. Don't they know their balls are supposed to be kept in a locked box on the mantel?

Originally Posted by BIG_DADDY (Post 9065761)

This is why years ago during the Bush administration they went after the small pharm who was producing some great products so they wouldn't have any competition when they opened these. Now you have seen exactly what I predicted come to fruition.

They have been doing this in Europe for a very long time. This is the first time I have heard of anything bad coming from it other than a little added aggression. Heaven forbid a male be aggressive in this country. Don't they know their balls are supposed to be kept in a locked box on the mantel?

Originally Posted by BIG_DADDY (Post 9065710)

The misinformation on steroids is mind boggling. Good god, people will believe anything.

Originally Posted by BIG_DADDY (Post 9065710)

The misinformation on steroids is mind boggling. Good god, people will believe anything.

Originally Posted by Saulbadguy (Post 9065804)

How much 'roids do I need to do to get swole?

Originally Posted by Slick (Post 9065795)

Are you talking about supplement companies when you are saying "Small Pharm"? I saw you mention Ergpharm earlier when referencing them.

Originally Posted by KC Fish (Post 9065787)

Roid rage is the American way.... right?

Originally Posted by BIG_DADDY (Post 9065842)

When Bush was doing his whole war on roids thing what they really went after was banning endless supplements and going after manufacturers in the best interest of our kids. Ergopharm was one af many they went after with both barrels. Yes supplements. Truth be known kids just went after the real deal instead.

Originally Posted by BIG_DADDY (Post 9065845)

No, putting on a skirt and holding hands why we skip is the new American way. Don't get me started on the emasculation of the American male, I'm not biting.

Originally Posted by Slick (Post 9065866)

Wasn't that more congress then Bush and it was all stirred up by MLB. They went after Ergopharm because the Gov't had a hard on for Patrick Arnold after the whole Balco thing blew up. I remember them banning some hormones and ephedra. Anything else of significance?

Originally Posted by Slick (Post 9065871)

You do realize in the 1940's the average American male's T level was 700 and today it's around 400. Correlation?

Originally Posted by seclark (Post 9047569)

what do you mean, "control of my dreams"?
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Originally Posted by Buck (Post 9100985)

First time sleeping without ZMA since starting last night and I feel like I was hit with a ton of bricks.

Originally Posted by BIG_DADDY (Post 9065845)

No, putting on a skirt and holding hands why we skip is the new American way. Don't get me started on the emasculation of the American male, I'm not biting.

Originally Posted by vailpass (Post 9051835)

Guy I know at the bar just had testosterone implants injected into his butt cheek. Is that the same kind of testosterone you are talking about here?

Originally Posted by Buck (Post 9100985)

First time sleeping without ZMA since starting last night and I feel like I was hit with a ton of bricks.

Originally Posted by mnchiefsguy (Post 9183146)

What brand of ZMA do you use Buck? Amazon has many different choices at very different price levels. Is there a difference in brands?

Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower (Post 9101017)

Still keep thinking of ZIMA everytime I see this thread title.

Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy (Post 9183149)

NOW is top quality in the world of supplements and cheap. That's what I just bought and recommend them.

Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy (Post 9182813)

All right. I broke down and bought some. I want me some crazy dreams.

Originally Posted by mnchiefsguy (Post 9183158)

Thanks for the recommendation! The Now brand is only 11 buck on amazon, so it is worth checking out.