If you believe this tripe, you're a moron.

Cannot believe ANYONE with a functioning brain would agree with eliminating KOs.

KO returns for TDs are a very exciting part of the game.

I agree but since they moved the kickoffs up it has been pretty much neutered IMO.

Holy crap, jAZ is a complete dumbass.

They would then go for it on fourth and fifteen in that situation.

2002- 17
2003- 13
2004- 17
2005- 12
2006- 9
2007- 25
2008- 13
2009- 18
2010- 23
2011- 9
2012- 10

They haven't been neutered at all, really. It's been all over the place going back 10 yrs.

I know. It's Stupid.

****ing Pee Wee rules.

10 out of 2500 kickoffs are exciting.

Just a devastating loss.

Again, moron.

Soccer faries have no place of the gridiron any way.

I don't like the control the 4th and 15 gives the refs, all it takes is one defensive holding call to help beat the spread.

:rolleyes:

actually, it would help out soccer as we would have to change the name to the National Puntball League.

I'd rather see em line up and go for it on forth and convert for two. He who cannot be named ruined me.

Yeah, they aren't eliminating FGs.

:facepalm:

I don't even want to watch this shit anymore.

This isn't the game I grew up with.

You're the best. Sad you don't like my opinions. I promise I'll strive to be like you in the future.

Forgetting the actual kickoff, replacing it with a fourth down option is a joke. As mentioned, one bad call and you have a first down. If you are ****ing desperate to remove the KO then stick it on the 25 or something. Don't add this joke of a gimmick.

You mean the regular refs? I completely agree.

You don't see the irony of a soccer fan going along with the idea that only scoring plays are exciting?

:clap:

LMAO

Should the corner kick be eliminated from soccer?

"The first step was to analyze data provided on the FIFA World Cup website. They provide videos of all goals scored as well as statistics on the number of corner kicks attempted. There were 145 goals scored in the World Cup. Of the 627 corner kicks that were attempted, 271 connected with an offensive player (43%). Of those, 9 goals were scored from a corner played into the penalty area resulting in a shot. That’s a ratio of 1 goal scored for every 70 corners taken. Part of the difficulty with this analysis is defining how a goal is scored from a corner kick. Many consider more than one pass beyond the corner kick as free play. Others consider any goal scored where the run of play was initiated with a corner to have resulted from the corner. For example, a poor clearance by a defender that results in a successful shot could be attributed to the corner kick. Likewise a short corner that is touched a few times then played into the box and headed in might also be considered. If you also count goals that resulted from poor clearances (5) and from short corners (2), a total of 14 goals resulted from corner kicks. This brings the ratio down to 1 goal for every 45 corners attempted.

Using this approach, corner kicks accounted for as few as 6% or many as 10% of the goals scored during the 2010 World Cup and corner kicks resulted in a goal once every 4.5 to 7 matches."

http://www.scienceofsocceronline.com...y-numbers.html

I don't know offhand how many matches were played in the World Cup. But that's 9 scores on 627 attempts, give or take.

Amazing to see the numbers :hmmm:

I'm piecing together some stats here. According to this (http://espn.go.com/blog/statsinfo/po...-effect-on-nfl), 1374 kickoffs were returned in 2011. So 10 scores on 1374 returns, that's roughly half the scoring of corner kicks. Of course that's playoff soccer, with the best teams. I assume that if you look at regular season totals that corner kicks would result in less scoring, as the overall quality of play would be lower.

For me, soccer is below baseball and above NASCAR on my list of terribly boring sports to watch. Are you thinking of Zach?

Should I clap and laugh at you two for not having any idea who you are talking about?

:spock:

It's OK. You can admit it. We won't judge you.

I don't disagree with that.

Well, I agree with this, but if you do go down this road, I think that you can't just place the ball for the other team. That wipes out the "on sides kick" option.

I think you could require an actual punt in place of the kickoff. But to keep the on-sides kick like option, you have to allow for a fake punt. And to do that you have to have a 1st down line somewhere.

Actually, I think I might have just walked through the arc of their own thinking on this.

All of this assumes that something about the punt formation makes for a significantly lower risk for brain injuries than KO's. If that's not true, then either you need to be keeping the KO or getting rid of both KO and PR's.

Again, what does the data say?

I don't care much what you think about me, but I don't talk about, never played, and couldn't care less about soccer. I'm not your guy on that.

|Zach| is the resident soccer fan.

But in any case, feel free to think what ever you want about me on that or anything else.

Completely agree.

Well that would do away with onside kicks too

Q

Neuter defense.

Neuter special teams.

Only teams with QBs win.

GREAT LEAGUE

FOOTball -- No KICKoffs.

Comparing the 2009-2010 vs when they moved the kickoffs up in 2011 it has dropped almost in half.

It just seems to me every kickoff ends up in touchback and really is useless now for the most part.

JMHO

really.
shaun smith would prefer TOUCHball.

they need to change the game's name to throwball now:D

what a POS goody goodell & his disney kiddy league is.

ROFL nice

this is a horrible idea, and why the NFL has slowly fallen off my radar, with the exception of the Chiefs, since 2006. If NCAA gets a good playoff system, I'm pretty much done with the NFL. This just cements it.

but, while we're bitching....
I HATE the touchback. If that ****er lands in bounds....start running. and don't give the friggin' kicker a huge god damned kicking Tee.

A kickoff doesn't have to be returned for a touchdown to make it exciting. That's something that TDs:KO doesn't consider.

Goodell wants to get rid of the pro bowl and turn every game of the season into the pro bowl.

Technically its 4th and 10 on the kickoffs now, but the "QB" has to kick the ball.

I kinda like the concept, at least would like to see it played out in a preseason game or something.

removing blitzing is next.

If you want to fix soccer, just eliminate the offside rule, and things will get much better IMO. The one thing that kills most folks about soccer is the lack of scoring. We may not need to to be like basket ball and have a score every 12 seconds, but letting folks hang close, but out of the goal areas (but it'd be fine to be inside the penalty box), would go a long way to making the game better. Once again, just my opinion..

But back to football, JC, if they do this, it'll be horrible. Then again, with so many KOs having flags thrown, I'm not sure they're as exciting as they used to be...

This...

They have in a way.. With all the holding that they don't "see" (because they're too focused on the QB and his safety evidently), I'm not sure if the blitz isn't going to become a thing of the past...

I don't really understand the outrage.

You're removing a kickoff, which almost ALWAYS ends in a touchback and the offense starting at the 20 yard line, and replacing it with a punt from the 30, which will almost ALWAYS end in a return and potentially an exciting play.

I think it's a GREAT IDEA.

Hey, here's another GREAT IDEA. Just change it back to the way it was.

That's not gonna happen.

and while we're at it....get rid of the reeruned 2:00 warning.
that seems completely pointless IMO.

Honestly, the NFL has already eliminated defenses. It makes sense that they would now eliminate special teams. The league today is nothing but quarterbacks playing catch with receivers, and the best quarterbacks win the championship, dragging the other 52 players along with them.

I really, really wish they would roll back some of the rules that are ruining the game.

Ditto.

But until they do it would be nice if our team even considered taking a QB in teh first two rounds to...you know...COMPETE...

It will never happen. There's millions, if not billions, of dollars in looming liability lawsuits on the horizon.

Football in the intermediate future is going to be a shell of what it is even today, IF we have football at all.

helmets w/out facemasks should do it.

:spock:

the problem here is there is a lot of players around the league that strictly make a living off special teams and kick off and kick return squads.

like whole careers. whether its a kick returner getting a chance to make a name for himself because hes a fast player who is last on the depth chart at WR, CB, HB, etc or a LBer buried as 5th string but can run down and make a tackle every game on kickoff, to maybe the situational young kicker who can kick the ball 100 yards with no accuracy and cant beat out the 45 year old guy on the team who makes field goals but cant kick more than 30 yards.

essentially youd be cutting team rosters down to like 35-40 some guys. You wouldnt even need 53 players, plus a practice squad anymore. Essentially a whole new system. Taking away special teams eliminates 3rd string players on NFL rosters

It invites a whole new strategy.

It isn't any different than deciding between an onside kick or a regular kickoff.

Except that it actually gives the recieving team a CHANCE TO MAKE A PLAY.

You're not eliminating special teams. You're replacing a kickoff with a punt.

Did anybody even look at what was being proposed?

We're probably going to see scoring records shattered.

you understand the difference between a punt and a kickoff yes?

like the difference between 10 different roster spots id guess.

so he's a rat. no surprise here.

Yes. It's called garbage.

You really need to stop trying to sell this turd. You're a lot smarter than that.

Well, the alternative is no kickoff or punt of any kind.

I realize people don't want football to change but the cold, hard reality is that it is GOING TO, whether we want it to or not.

In that vein, we should all be open to exploring alternatives that maintain some semblance of the game we know today.

Or we can cross our arms, reject all change, and then bitch when they outlaw tackling and make them use flags...

See my response to Dave.

You can't stop the changes that are coming. Our only hope as fans is to steer them...

Nah. I think I'll just stop watching it. It already sucks and they're seemingly in a race to make it even worse.

That's certainly a viable alternative.

I just don't get the outrage over KICKOFFS.

People bitch about kickers all the time. FG suck. Touchbacks suck.

But when they propose replacing the kickoff, people go all "bah, what are they doing? next thing you know they'll get rid of leather helmets."

It's silly.

Really, you're going to compare equipment upgrades to removing something that's been an integral part of the game for 100 years? Speaking of silly.

I made an absurd comparison on purpose.

The ONLY reason people are complaining is for that VERY reason - it's always been that way.

There's been no consideration of how utterly useless the kickoff is in the modern game.

Only that we can't change it because "it's been an integral part of the game for 100 years".

We need to find a way for the players to not get injured.

Submit new rules so we can send them to the comish for consideration.

1. If you run the 40 in less than 5.0 seconds you cannot participate in the league. Speed kills.
2. If you can catch a ball that is cranked out of a juggs machine at 100 MPH you cannot play in the league.
3. If you can throw the football further down-field than 30 yards you cannot play in the game (Cassel is safe).

Got any good ones to suggest?

Who'd of ever thought the game of football would be bastardized so far down that the games would be changed so much they would look like the last "Pro-Bowl"?

It's only useless because they made it useless. If the argument is "kickoffs are too dangerous", then the argument will inevitably become "tackle football is too dangerous", and the game is doomed anyway. It's already being talked about, so why am I going to waste my time on a doomed game?

Very good point.

In general, I think keeping it the way it is, or even moving the ko line back to its old spot would be my preference. But I woukdnt really mind this 4th and 15 idea. A blocked punt or a 4th a 15 conversion is WAY more exciting than an onsides kick. And both are way more likely. Not to mention the better field position that most drives would start with, and the practical elimination of the touchback to start a drive, which is the most boring thing to watch in the NFL. And there will still be plenty of kicks returned for a td. I'm starting to like this idea the more I think about it.

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So has the extra point. It is pointless as well.

I agree with you they should move it back but if they aren't going to do that might as well try something else.

So make it harder.