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If it's Wilson I could live with it. If it's Bray, I'd be fine as well (though it won't be and probably shouldn't be, he might be that Ryan Leaf level of ****off, I just love his skill-set). It has to be Geno. He's just the clear top choice at the position to me. |
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I don't know. Geno passes every single eye test. |
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Tell me Russel Wilson wasn't judged on his size and measurables vs his leadership and desire to be great. Kiper likes gooseneck because he is 2930 feet tall. |
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Matt Cassel would love to be great and it just doesn't matter. Tim Tebow is an exceptional leader and would probably be one of those guys that cuts off a digit if it made him a better player. Doesn't matter - still sucks. What makes Wilson this good is his talent and decisionmaking. He was judged on his size rather than his talent, that is true. His downfield arm and especially his intermediate accuracy was questioned because he wasn't a big passer. Your descriptions are just worthless flowery prose designed to cover national pundits that couldn't bring themselves to admit that they just didn't look at the tape closely enough. All of this was available to see if you looked for it. Guys like Kiper (and myself) just hate to admit it. |
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How can you argue with me that the media scouts put way too much emphasis on measurables (size, weight, 40times, etc) when doing their rankings/mocks? After watching Glennon vs Geno film, I cannot understand WTF Kiper is thinking except that Glennon is a giraffe. |
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I had someone on Christmas tell me they thought Tebow would end up with KC because we really needed a QB Tebow is done. The Chiefs and Patriots exposed him as the fraud that he is...stack the box with 8 and NEVER play prevent and he can't play the position. This is why he stays on the bench in NY. He is done. He's a failed experiment with zero chance to ever be a successful or even an unsuccessful NFL QB. He'll never get another shot to be a starter. He's like a less elusive Colin Kaepernick who can't throw the football. I'm pretty sure if Kaepernick played at Florida instead of Tebow he would have been a top 5 pick and won 2 Heisman's and 3 National Titles. Tebow is the biggest fraud player of my lifetime...college and pros. The fame he received is 100% due to religion and playing the V card while splicing it with his "ultimate team player" nonsense. |
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I'd take one Peyton Manning over a LB core that looked like LT, Ray Lewis, Brian Urlacher and Derrick Thomas.
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the only way that happens is if the owner absolutely insists I think, in less than 3 years, unless he goes and takes his circus to Canada we're going to forget ALL ABOUT Tim Tebow and I eagerly await biggest fraud famous athlete ever had no business even being drafted |
Come on. What's not to like? He's completed 57.7% of his passes--primarily against ACC competition--this year. Trust Kiper; Glennon cannot fail in the NFL.
Seriously, though, as one of the few ACC homers on the board, I'd be pissed off if we pick him. |
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Unless the Jags get him. They'll start him in 2013, then he'll be done after they go 1-15 |
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Tebow isn't going to get a shot because teammates don't respect his play...not one bit. He isn't good. He won't develop any talent around him. He's a gadget and he's not really all that great at the gadget he provides.
The dude has one chance in the NFL...and that is to change positions and hope he can learn on the fly. LB, FB, H-Back...maybe. QB? No. Will never work. |
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I've always had a lot of respect for your football takes, but this is horseshit. In the sense of "is he a QB" you're absolutely correct... but the guy IS football player and IS a player who is respected in the lockerroom (outside of dumbass NY) - he absolutely IS a real player, he's just at the wrong position. I've said it before and i'll say it again, he'd make a HELLUVA tight end, h-back, wildcard type player for the pats... a coach who believes in him and is imaginative enough to find spots for him would get an EXCELLENT ball player in return. |
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If Tebow wants to have a career playing at this level, he needs to give up the dream of QB.
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I think the wildcat is dead.
and I honestly don't think his teammates respect him; not as a man, as a player. He plays QB and he can't throw the ball. That resonates. Honestly. He simply cannot throw the ball. Romeo Crennel made Tim Tebow his bitch last year, so did Bill Belichick. In fact, any team that refused to play prevent no matter the circumstance owned the guy. Look, he had one year where EVERYTHING IMAGINABLE lined up for him and he delivered a few miracles after playing 55 minutes of PURE SHIT football. I think we're starting to see with this elite defense Denver struts out week in and week out who was actually winning games in our garbage division last year and it wasn't Tim Tebow. The guy is literally the worst, least talented NFL QB I have ever seen in my entire time of watching football...and I watch a shit ton of NFL games every single week. It's an obsession. He is purely garbage. |
seriously...the game Tebow beat the Chiefs in he completed two passes. The Tebow style of play hadn't been seen since the forward pass was invented. It was ridiculous. It was AWFUL to watch and it was MARGINALLY effective...but something that was easy to shut down once the tape was out.
I have no vendetta against the guy or his Christianity or the way he spams it all over the place...whatever. It is what it is. I do not respect poor football especially at QB...QB'ing is an art form, a thing of beauty...and Tim Tebow simply doesn't have it, and never will. |
I don't think anyone on this forum actually thinks Tebow is any good man.
Fortunately for Tebow there are an assload of Christians and ignorant casual football fans whom think otherwise. |
his best play would be to auction off a thimble of his manhood to a rich girl who wants a Tebow baby...
he could probably make $50M off that shit from some crazy Christian billionaire family guy |
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Archie Manning should auction off like 10 thimbles of manhood...
My God. He could be a billionaire with that seem. |
Hootie, you're 100% right that he has NO place as a quarterback in this league... NONE.
But that guy IS a football player and i'd bet anything that he DOES have respect around the NFL as a standup guy, a lot of denver players had nothing but praise for him when he left. The BS in NY is just that, new york bullshit and supreme dysfunction... that guy has the heart to play the game at a VERY high level, just not at QB. |
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I think he's a little prima donna. I think he does a good job hiding it, but his only chance of future success in the NFL is switching positions and totally buying into it. Will he do that? I highly doubt it. |
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The next Kris Wilson perhaps??? |
This thread is funny. Geno is going #1 to the chiefs.
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If he's dumb enough to think he can go to jax and be the franchise QB hero, i'll change my tune big time... going all in on a position change is his only hope of a real NFL career. |
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On a level playing field, Smith is a superior prospect. |
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And FYI, I mentioned Rivers as my example several posts ago. |
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If he isnt smart enough to see that he isnt a big league QB, then he doesnt deserve a long-term career... he'd be asking a risk averse league/team to reinvent the wheel for him and him alone, when he isnt good enough at that position to merit it. |
Perhaps Mel could advise the Jets on their GM situation. Two idiots are better then one Aye?
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Again, intangibles like "heart" DO matter. Maybe you want to call it something different - mental toughness maybe.
Aaron Rodgers won a Super Bowl with a subpar running game, others have done it. The difference is that he can take a sack or throw a pick and go to the sideline and start looking at photos and planning the next drive. Guys like Cutler spend too much time yelling at linemen or offensive coordinators. |
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And c'mon DJnutz, Cassel and Tebow don't have real talent.
That's the difference between them and Wilson. Wilson has more talent than both of them combined. |
If the Chiefs and Jags don't want the top 2 picks (and clearly need them the most), why would anyone trade with them?
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If its on Mel's Big Board its off my table. Dude is a ****ing hack.
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AS it currently stands, the Chiefs have ZERO starting caliber QB's on the roster. Casshole will get canned, Quinn signed a one year deal (he's done), and Stanzi couldn't beat out either of these pansies.
Draft Geno #1, WR, CB, or FS (best available) #2, then QB again at #3. It worked out pretty damn well for the Skins, I'd have no problem doing the same if any talent were left on the board. |
If I see another dumb ****ing Mel Kiper thread I am going to puke. Who buys into this shit?
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I've said all along that, for me, Smith was 1a and Wilson was 1b. I've seen Wilson play and I know what kind of situation he was in. On a level playing field, Geno Smith is still the superior prospect. Geno has always been my favorite but I am not "Geno or bust". I prefer Smith to Wilson by a narrow magin. |
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Geno is the right decision for this franchise and it's not even close. I ****ing hate how I see this "Matt Cassel was the right decision at the time for this franchise" bullshit all over this forum, but if some Geno fans will be forced to say that about a #1 overall pick, it's going to be this embarrassing come-to-Jesus moment, where we'll need to be publicly shamed for the rest of our Chiefs Planet posting careers. If Matt Cassel could have been the right decision at the time (he wasn't, but that's not the point) then there should be ZERO crow to be eaten about Geno in the unlikely instance that he doesn't work out as an NFL QB. |
I've been watching a bit more Wilson. Like him, but it's Geno easily for me.
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I'll take a QB bust at #1 over a 10 year pro bowl ILB
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Doesn't matter.
Polian is going to draft Barkley. FML. |
**** Mel Kiper and his stupid wig. If he was such a NFL guru, I'm sure he would have been offered a job by an NFL team by now.
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I see TWO potentially top-tier starting NFL QBs in this class (Smith and Wilson). There are at least 5 guys who will find starting QB jobs within the first two years. This is a very good QB class. It will be the last very good QB class we will see for a long time. |
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by the time the draft comes around Kiper and Shay with both have Geno Smith in the top 10, probably the top 5.
no need to sweat it I imagine Geno Smith is going to wow them in the workouts and interviews. his 40 time will probably suck but that is not really a bad thing tbh ... maybe he won't even run. |
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Kiper & Casserly = ****ing morons
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"Geno looks like the best QB in this draft and the Chiefs need to take him #1 because it's about ****ing time they at least try to draft and develop a 1st round QB" - totally fine no matter what happens "Geno will be just as good as RGIII" - potentially cringeworthy if he ends up more like Jamarcus Russell or Matt Leinart That's alls I'm sayin'. |
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However much somebody might be overoptimistic about Geno compared to RGIII or Luck, there's just as much underselling of Geno Smith's abilities by people like Chiefnj2, all because they're obsessed with this oversimplified vision of what a real QB should be (the Luck/RGIII archetype). If there are cringe-worthy statements being made now in the face of Geno's possible struggles at the pro level, there should be just as many cringe-worthy statements that are overly cautious of Geno Smith's real success that he could have in the pros. And when Geno is winning playoff games with the Chiefs, I will be teabagging those posters in the ****ing face with my giant, hairy ballsack. |
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And, to me, it's a bigger risk, and a bigger mistake, to not take one. The idea should be to take the best player who has the potential to make the greatest impact. And to me, that's an absolute no-brainer. No position in all of sports is more important than the quarterback, and no player at that position has impressed me more than Geno Smith (who I've had an eye on for 3 years...). And we may (if we don't **** it up...) have an opportunity we've never had before, and may never have again, with the #1 pick. That's the stars aligning, and to even allow the thought of drafting anything other than a quarterback with that pick just boggles the mind. Have people not seen enough Grbacs and Huards and Cassels and Quinns and Thigpens and Palkos and jesus ****ing christ why is this even a question? |
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E-mail THIS to Clark. Or mail it to him. I think somebody needs to pose as Jimmy the 5-year old Chief fan whose only desire in the world right now other than for mommy's boyfriend to stop hitting him when he comes home from the bar is for the Chiefs to draft Geno Smith. Somebody should copy keg's post using a crayon so Clark clearly gets the message about why it's a good idea. We'll appeal to his logos AND pathos |
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Trade for Smith. We've never gone the castoff 49er QB route before.
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SNR swings the biggest, most harriest nutsack in the CP West
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Smith cannot win a SB, so bringing him to KC would be worse than pointless. |
The Save Our Chiefs Facebook Page needs nuked. The Geno picture was pretty awesome and the idiots on their are well idiots. Some idiot said Geno couldn't play in the snow. Yet he went to school in ****ing West Virginia.
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I can't remember the last time the Chiefs played a snow game, home or road. |
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That's about the only situation these days where it's far better to let your young 1st rounder sit for at least a year. QBs coming out of college are the most talented they've ever been in the league, and they're playing in a time when the conditions have never been more favorable for the position. Geno needs to get drafted and he should start right away. |
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