Can someone explain the Clark is cheap theory to me. I thought that the more people you have in the stadium - the more money you get from ticket, beer/food, parking, sales....etc. If you lose a lot of games you also lose a lot of fans , royalties, advertisment and a chance at their money. Why would Clark not care about winning?

And that is the truth.

If Clark retains Dr. Evil, it's for reasons other than performance as an actual NFL pro football team.

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There used to be poster here named Luzap who said he didn't really care if the Chiefs won or lost, he was just happy to have the NFL in KC. He liked going to games. Yeah, winning was nice, but so long as he could cheer for a team ...

Earlier this year, Kent Babb said that not firing Pioli would be evidence that Hunt is the worst owner in football.

Kind of hard to argue with this logic.

I am a Clark supporter and I couldn't argue it.

And those people comprise Clark's primary market. Unquestionably. The loyal, faithful Chief Sheep.

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To Clark, his feelings for Scott clearly are > a winning product and a happy fan base.

So if he keeps Pioli, what's the leash on him?

Hey he's breaking in a new QB and coach, right? That's gotta be worth another couple of seasons, right?

So 4-12 in 2013, 6-10 in 2014 ... That's some progress.

Dayton ****ing Moore and Scott ****ing Pioli. David ****ing Glass and Clark ****ing Hunt.

WTF am I a fan of these teams?

I agree. This would be the ownership equivalent of shitting all over the fan base to the point that even Winston would cringe.

The Deb type fans are in small minority, just like most of us are in small minority. That middle class fan that wants to see the team do well/have fun at the game/casual fan is the money making machine. Its what Carl Peterson knew the best with the marketing research they had. A dick sucker like Pioli makes it impossible for that for that big casual group as well.

This for me as well.

There is a "name" I haven't heard in a while.

I'm not so sure. Your words of death have an iron-like quality, though, so I'll ponder the issue some more.

Right now, however, I have to believe that the majority of "Chiefs fans" will buy any change (be it HC, QB, whatever) as sufficient to encourage them to pay the fare.

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I hear you, and I'm not sure of my reaction. It's easy to say, "I'm done with this franchise."

But this is the type of emotional reaction that might not be honest or realistic. I've been following this piece of shit organization for decades, so this isn't the type of interest that can be turned on or off like a switch.

I understand that Pioli's pomp and incompetence has been eroding passion and general interest, but any organization is far larger than one person...

Tough situation for fans.

I will admit, I want to draft a QB SO BAD, I don't know if I will be able to quit watching, even if it is Pioli that is doing the drafting.

THIS

They could just rent a house together or something. Why does their relationship have to interfere with my enjoyment of the Chiefs.

If true, this should take SMU from death row to the chair.

PUT ON YOUR TIN FOIL HAT:

Is it possible that Clark wanted a franchise quarterback and told Pioli to tank this season to get the top pick to get one and that if he did so his job would be safe?

I know for a fact that he made it clear to Herm Edwards that he wanted the team to play the young players in 2008 in hopes of getting them experience and putting the team in position to draft a quarterback...but these two things are totally different.

Ok, you can take the tin foil hats off. That idea is silly.

Has any team ever lost money?

Its pretty know fact. Generally among the season ticket holder base, you will have:

10k or so are the Deb and Luzap types.
10k or so are business tickets
10k or so the total hardcore football fans aka CP posters.

You would have an average of 30k or so just on those demographics. The casual fan it what takes the 30k up to the 70k+ plus crowds. Its what Carl Peterson knew and understood well.

Its simple really especially in the midwest - make it fun, make the players envolved in the community, and win enough to put you in the hunt each year.

If Pioli hires Chip Kelly or the equivalent
If Pioli drafts Geno Smith or the equivalent
If the Chiefs start playing well

You will all be back :fire:



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What they do in the draft will hold a lot more weight in my eyes than if Pioli is fired or kept.

If I could chose between keeping Pioli and drafting Geno Smith with our pick OR firing Pioli and NOT choosing Geno...Id be fine with Pioli staying.

About as much as, Pioli staying, Marty taking over HC with Pioli having a hard on for Barkley & Glennon.

This would probably just kill me!

This.

Belcher Belchered us

No. LMAO

This scares me looking into the future.

scratch that


If the Chiefs start playing well

You will all be back :D

To think some people on this message board were actually naive enough to believe that Fat Scott WOULDN'T find a way to use the Belcher situation to save his job.

Fat Scott is pure evil.

He should've taken the decision out of Clark's hands.

wha?

I will continue to watch with a keen eye to see what moves are made. Anything less than GREAT choices for HC and QB and I'm done.

I'm just curious as to what will be Clark's reasoning if indeed Pioli is retained and even given an extension...

There is literally NOTHING he can say to justify it so it'd be hilarious to watch.

I just cannot believe this guy would be that goddamn stupid...

and you're pure stupid


Belcher has NOTHING to do with this

Because revenue sharing is all the money.

2010 well or for REAL well?

We've seen this team play well before, that doesn't mean the team was GOOD.

I'm sorry, but this is reading a lot like the draft thread when McBust and the other midget were selected.

**** this shit!

Well, I'm OK with the selections if...

They're good players!

It would confirm him as one of the worse owners in sports who only cares about $.

If Scott Pioli takes Geno Smith, then what?

That's just it. How do you trust a guy who's failed to find a QB and a head coach ... to go out and find a QB and head coach?

All Clark can say is "Based on his track record in New England, I think he deserves a third chance." A THIRD CHANCE.

Then get ready to be done.

I can't see a great HC and a great draft in the future for a Pioli run team.

It's why I want them absolutely grilled in the post season PC. It won't happen to the extent we'd like, but they have to be pressed on why Pioli deserves another shot.

Would it really matter? If Scott is back, we have a owner problem and will never win then. No that would be it for me then.

As a couple of others have stated, it isn't something we can just turn off with the flip of a switch. A couple of stellar choices would keep me at least tuned in. Not happy but, tuned in to see what becomes of it.

Meanwhile Wallace Gilberry is going to the playoffs.

That's great. I'd be lying if I said I wouldn't be extremely interested and thunderstruck by the organization actually drafting a QB.

However, what evidence do we have that Pioli would make any other moves that would aid Smith in his development? But we have loads of evidence to suggest that Pioli would reaffirm a twisted, counter-productive environment at Arrowhead which makes it tough for anyone to succeed.

folks here can be quite naive.

makes a difference for some, not for others.


top goal: start playing well
2nd goal: get a QB that people can believe in
3rd goal: get a coach that people can believe in

the more of these that get done the better since all 3 are 'tangled' together but still ... start winning and the Chiefs' bandwagon will fill back up regardless of who the GM is

What a difference an hour makes.

Good for him. Dude's had a productive year and can play (just not 3-4 end).

I hear ya. I feel exactly the same way.

and Bernard Pollard is going to the Pro Bowl lol

Winning cures all problems with the fans.

Always have!

Always will, you win, the fans will show up for games.

I can't either. That is why I have this sick feeling in the pit of my stomach right now.

But stranger things have happened... I suppose....

There is a fundamental problem with the, "if the Chiefs start playing well, you'll be back" notion. I mean, it sounds right, but there's a flaw in the implied logic.

There is absolutely no reason to believe that Pioli can foster an environment, hire a head coach, draft the proper talent, or organize the overall effort in such a way as to cause the Chiefs to "start playing well". None. Zero.

In fact, all available evidence points clearly to the fact that Pioli is an incompetent imbecile whose personal, psychological problems inhibit any potential ability he may possess in that regard.

This, dear friends, is year 4 of his goal to "build a champion" and "consistently play for championships". Good God in Heaven. At a minimum, we may thank our lucky stars that his objective wasn't simply to "compete with marginal teams" because, if it were, we would be selling the franchise to the Mexicans.

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I still don't have a problem with Hunt. He hired what seemed the obvious choice for GM. He's got the same problem his dad had, just too loyal.

How many people here have pointed out that with a legit QB and HC you can succeed? And if you have a super star QB you may not even need that great a HC. The GM and owner are out of the equation at that point.

Not saying that is the way I would like to see it but, it does not change the fact it could still work.

I'm not talking about 4 years ago. Agreed, at the time it appeared to be the right move. But we have a ton more evidence now. If Clark doesn't make this move, he's David Glass to me. With just about as likely of a chance to ever win big also... Yeah, I'd have a problem with that type of owner.

THIS x 1,000,000

I can only hope you aren't referring to all the rumors as evidence.

Pioli missed twice on hiring a good Head Coach
Pioli blew it on getting a good QB
Pioli has a losing record in KC

Now that's enough to get a GM fired, no doubt.

after that, it's pretty much rumor mongering bullshit

You really believe that Babb and Whitlock are making up the reports about the introductory dinner?

"Arrowhead Anxiety" is rumor mongering bullshit, written by a journalist now employed by The Post?

These are facts.

If Pioli is retained, then I can kiss goodbye to this team winning a SB in my lifetime. Clark will have proven himself to be a terrible, gullible owner, with no concept of how to run a team. The Hunts certainly aren't going to sell. I was so looking forward to having something to cheer for again...

How old are you?

Laz has a bigger crush on Pioli than Clark Hunt does.

36. Yeah, it's extreme, but shit - Clark is only 47. He'll be around for a very long time, and if he runs his team based on friendship, and not performance, then this team will never succeed. He will have been proven to either be blind, or uncaring to the product on the field - either is the kiss of death. As far as I'm concerned, his moves this week will determine the long-term future of this team...

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Even if he was five, he's probably right.

Schefter just reported that Andy Reid and Jeffrey Lurie scheduled to meet Monday. A team official insisted Lurie has not informed Reid he will be fired.

Fukc him

Pioli will not be canned. Makes me sick

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The rubbermaid tubs.

Believe in the rubbermaid tubs.

JFC can Monday just get here now. Hell, can we just do what the Eagles did?

I'D HIT IT!!!!!!!!!!

To be fair, our game isn't over yet.

For all we know, they're talking about RAC getting fired on the NBC pre game in 2 hours...